Was the book of Job the first book of the Bible before Genesis

[davetaff]

Hi David
Thought we mite take a look at how God created man in his image in Genesis we are told

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth

In verse 25 he says hemade everything that creepeth upon the earth dose everything include human beings if so did he choose one to begin the process of creation of man in his image interesting how Eve was created

Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

This is a mirror image of the creation of the church the bride of Christ when the roman soldier plunged the spear into Christ's side and blood and water came out the water represents the word of God the blood the Holy spirit through these the bride of Christ was created the similarities between the first Adam and the last are very striking don't you think,

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[davetaff]

Hi in answer to the thread the book of Job is exactly where God wants it to be its God who decides how his word shall be presented not man should we be questioning what God has done or jest believe his word as it is presented

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Armchair Apologist]

Hi in answer to the thread the book of Job is exactly where God wants it to be its God who decides how his word shall be presented not man should we be questioning what God has done or jest believe his word as it is presented

Love and Peace
Dave

I do not think anyone disagrees with the authenticity of the book of Job and yes, there is much speculation as to where and when it was written and who the author was. There is nothing wrong with doing research and examining such questions though (Pro 25:2).

I believe that Job was a real person who lived during the time of the patriarchs and more than likely a contemporary of Abraham. Perhaps Job was a part of the oral history and folklore of Abraham's descendants until God inspired someone (perhaps Moses as some speculate) to write it down in a book or perhaps Job wrote it himself (Job 19:23).

 

[davetaff]

I do not think anyone disagrees with the authenticity of the book of Job and yes, there is much speculation as to where and when it was written and who the author was. There is nothing wrong with doing research and examining such questions though (Pro 25:2).

I believe that Job was a real person who lived during the time of the patriarchs and more than likely a contemporary of Abraham. Perhaps Job was a part of the oral history and folklore of Abraham's descendants until God inspired someone (perhaps Moses as some speculate) to write it down in a book or perhaps Job wrote it himself (Job 19:23).

Hi Armchair Apologist
Thank you for your post you said

There is nothing wrong with doing research and examining such questions though

It depends on how far we go examining the scriptures do we need to go to university to learn ancient languages to understand God's word or is the English versions we have sufficient for the purpose of God do you think God via the Holy Spirit was responsible for the translations we have I do.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Armchair Apologist]

Hi Armchair Apologist
Thank you for your post you said

There is nothing wrong with doing research and examining such questions though

It depends on how far we go examining the scriptures do we need to go to university to learn ancient languages to understand God's word or is the English versions we have sufficient for the purpose of God do you think God via the Holy Spirit was responsible for the translations we have I do.

Love and Peace
Dave

I would say we are quite fortunate to be living in the age we are now and we are especially privileged to have so many English translations of the Bible at our disposal along with some really good tools in which we may examine the original languages even if we are lacking in their proficiency. I would say that the English version of the Bible is quite sufficient and you can go quite far with this alone. Seeing that Jesus and other New Testament writers used the Septuagint (a Greek translation of the Old Testament scriptures) extensively, this gives credibility to and demonstrates that a translation of the scriptures is every bit as inspired as the originals. There are some in the King James Only crowd who try to say the King James translation was divinely inspired and this would be an erroneous position. The King James is inspired not because of the translators but because divine inspiration of the original autographs is preserved through the transmission of copies and the work of the translators.

If you have opportunity to learn the original languages, I believe you should do so but it is not an absolute requirement. The persecuted church in China, Iran, and other parts of the world hardly have a complete Bible amongst themselves and they will often piece it out what they do have and will disseminate it amongst the congregants so if the authorities do come and attempt to seize the scriptures, they will not get the entire Bible! They do not have opportunity to learn and study the original languages but I bet they would give anything to have such a privilege and I think we should bear this in mind. Think about the "Starving Children in Africa" story your mother may have told you when you did not want to eat all the veggies on your plate!

 

[davetaff]

I would say we are quite fortunate to be living in the age we are now and we are especially privileged to have so many English translations of the Bible at our disposal along with some really good tools in which we may examine the original languages even if we are lacking in their proficiency. I would say that the English version of the Bible is quite sufficient and you can go quite far with this alone. Seeing that Jesus and other New Testament writers used the Septuagint (a Greek translation of the Old Testament scriptures) extensively, this gives credibility to and demonstrates that a translation of the scriptures is every bit as inspired as the originals. There are some in the King James Only crowd who try to say the King James translation was divinely inspired and this would be an erroneous position. The King James is inspired not because of the translators but because divine inspiration of the original autographs is preserved through the transmission of copies and the work of the translators.

If you have opportunity to learn the original languages, I believe you should do so but it is not an absolute requirement. The persecuted church in China, Iran, and other parts of the world hardly have a complete Bible amongst themselves and they will often piece it out what they do have and will disseminate it amongst the congregants so if the authorities do come and attempt to seize the scriptures, they will not get the entire Bible! They do not have opportunity to learn and study the original languages but I bet they would give anything to have such a privilege and I think we should bear this in mind. Think about the "Starving Children in Africa" story your mother may have told you when you did not want to eat all the veggies on your plate!

Hi Armchair Apologist
Thank you for your post to wich I can agree studying Gods word is always a fruitful pass time unfortunately I do not have the education for it I'm more interested in the stories in the OT seeing them played out in NT times and our time.

sa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure

The end of course is the end of creation man in the image of God he can only be Jesus Christ this creation began with Noeh will take 6000 years thats 6 days for God.
I have this strange idea that God loves us and he wants us to know him and understand what he has done what he is doing and what he will do in the future so would he make it so difficult that only the well educated can understand what he is saying do we have to listen to men or to God you may have noticed from my other posts that I have some strange ideas but this is how Gods word speaks to me and up to now nobody on here has been able to refute what I say which is the creation account in Genesis should be understood starting with Noah and ending with man in the image of God which is Jesus Christ at his second coming

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

.... up to now nobody on here has been able to refute what I say which is the creation account in Genesis should be understood starting with Noah and ending with man in the image of God which is Jesus Christ at his second coming

Love and Peace
Dave

But that is not where the Genesis account begins. It begins with God creating the heavens and the earth, light, Sun, moon, stars, plants, animals, birds, fish, etc. What happened at the time of the Flood was a cleansing, not a creation. Noah and his family were already in existence before the Flood came. You say that nobody has been able to refute what you write, but when people have done so, you still disagree with them. That is your right, of course, but there have been posts that refute your ideas of Creation beginning with Noah. The human genealogy of Jesus given by Luke ends:

“36 [the son] of Cainan, [the son] of Arphaxad, [the son] of Shem, [the son] of Noah, [the son] of Lamech, 37 [the son] of Methuselah, [the son] of Enoch, [the son] of Jared, [the son] of Mahalalel, [the son] of Cainan, 38 [the son] of Enos, [the son] of Seth, [the son] of Adam, [the son] of God.” (Lu 3:36-38 NKJV)

It doesn't end with Noah, but goes back several more generations to Adam. Also, Jesus is cal;led "the last Adam", not "the last Noah".

 

[davetaff]

But that is not where the Genesis account begins. It begins with God creating the heavens and the earth, light, Sun, moon, stars, plants, animals, birds, fish, etc. What happened at the time of the Flood was a cleansing, not a creation. Noah and his family were already in existence before the Flood came. You say that nobody has been able to refute what you write, but when people have done so, you still disagree with them. That is your right, of course, but there have been posts that refute your ideas of Creation beginning with Noah. The human genealogy of Jesus given by Luke ends:

“36 [the son] of Cainan, [the son] of Arphaxad, [the son] of Shem, [the son] of Noah, [the son] of Lamech, 37 [the son] of Methuselah, [the son] of Enoch, [the son] of Jared, [the son] of Mahalalel, [the son] of Cainan, 38 [the son] of Enos, [the son] of Seth, [the son] of Adam, [the son] of God.” (Lu 3:36-38 NKJV)

It doesn't end with Noah, but goes back several more generations to Adam. Also, Jesus is cal;led "the last Adam", not "the last Noah".

Hi David
Thank you for your post that God made a creation before the flood is not in question but God destroyed that creation with the flood but saved Noah and everything on the ark if you like you can believe God continues his creation of man in his image with Noah and everything on the ark I like to believe he began a new creation of man in his image which would be Jesus Christ at his second coming with the multitude of believers this is man in the image of God.
As for genealogy I'll let St Paul answer that one

Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

As for people refuting what I say that have to give a better explanation to the scriptures I present in support of what I say up to now no one has if God destroyed everything in the flood then it stands to reason he would have to start again.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

Hi David
Thank you for your post that God made a creation before the flood is not in question but God destroyed that creation with the flood but saved Noah and everything on the ark if you like you can believe God continues his creation of man in his image with Noah and everything on the ark I like to believe he began a new creation of man in his image which would be Jesus Christ at his second coming with the multitude of believers this is man in the image of God.
As for genealogy I'll let St Paul answer that one

Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

As for people refuting what I say that have to give a better explanation to the scriptures I present in support of what I say up to now no one has if God destroyed everything in the flood then it stands to reason he would have to start again.

Love and Peace
Dave

Thanks. Do you mean that in your opinion, Paul in writing to Titus was thinking of genealogies given in Scripture? Rather, I believe the genealogies mentioned in Titus were those, as Gill wrote, "of their elders, Rabbins, and doctors, by whom their traditions are handed down from one to another, in fixing which they greatly laboured."

 

[davetaff]

Thanks. Do you mean that in your opinion, Paul in writing to Titus was thinking of genealogies given in Scripture? Rather, I believe the genealogies mentioned in Titus were those, as Gill wrote, "of their elders, Rabbins, and doctors, by whom their traditions are handed down from one to another, in fixing which they greatly laboured."

Hi David
Thank you for your reply I believe Paul was speaking of the genealogies in scripture why would he use genealogies from outside of scripture who is Gill.
The genealogies in scripture leave plenty of room for contention and arguments which we should avoid arguing with brothers is not good it serves no useful purpose scripture must decide what is right we cannot argue with scripture it's God word.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

Hi David
Thank you for your reply I believe Paul was speaking of the genealogies in scripture why would he use genealogies from outside of scripture who is Gill.
The genealogies in scripture leave plenty of room for contention and arguments which we should avoid arguing with brothers is not good it serves no useful purpose scripture must decide what is right we cannot argue with scripture it's God word.

Love and Peace
Dave

Yet it is the same apostle Paul who refers to Jesus as the last Adam. The genealogies of Jesus' human nature, and indeed all other biblical genealogies, are part of God's word, not "to be avoided", "unprofitable", or "vain."

You ask who Gill was. John Gill (23 November 1697 – 14 October 1771) was an English Baptist pastor, biblical scholar, and theologian, who wrote a commentary on the whole bible, still in print today.

 

[davetaff]

Yet it is the same apostle Paul who refers to Jesus as the last Adam. The genealogies of Jesus' human nature, and indeed all other biblical genealogies, are part of God's word, not "to be avoided", "unprofitable", or "vain."

You ask who Gill was. John Gill (23 November 1697 – 14 October 1771) was an English Baptist pastor, biblical scholar, and theologian, who wrote a commentary on the whole bible, still in print today.

Hi David
Thank you for your reply Jesus isthe last Adam he and his body which is a multitude of believers that he presents to the Father is man ( mankind) in the image of God and the heavenly host.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

Hi David
Thank you for your reply Jesus isthe last Adam he and his body which is a multitude of believers that he presents to the Father is man ( mankind) in the image of God and the heavenly host.

Love and Peace
Dave

Thanks. Where does the bible teach that man is "in the image of God and the heavenly host"? In the image of God, certainly. But where does it say that mankind is in the image of the heavenly host? As far as I can see, the phrase "heavenly host" only occurs once in the bible:

“And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying:” (Lu 2:13 NKJV)

 

[TruthInLight]

I believe the story/book of Job took place between Genesis and Exodus.