Was King Saul saved?

[Los Colosos Del Ring]

Using typology as an indicator Saul will be destroyed in the Judgement as he was one who rejected God by his disobedience. He 'planned' on sacrificing captured animals to God, but would not obey God. (God would have obedience rather than sacrifice.)

I may be totally way off here with this question but how would this apply to a Christian alive today? Let's say someone had a calling as an overseas missionary, and instead they disobey and remain in the States for the rest of their days on Earth.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I may be totally way off here with this question but how would this apply to a Christian alive today? Let's say someone had a calling as an overseas missionary, and instead they disobey and remain in the States for the rest of their days on Earth.

If God wants you someplace in His service, but sure that that is where you will be. Remember Jonah.

 

[IgnatiusOfAntioch]

No, it was not Samuel speaking.

Dead people do not speak.

You have an incorrect preconceived notion that the dead cannot speak. Holy Scripture says that the dead can and have.


1Sa 28:15 Then Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" Saul answered, "I am in great distress; for the Philistines are warring against me, and God has turned away from me and answers me no more, either by prophets or by dreams; therefore I have summoned you to tell me what I shall do."
1Sa 28:16 And Samuel said, "Why then do you ask me, since the LORD has turned from you and become your enemy?
1Sa 28:17 The LORD has done to you as he spoke by me; for the LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hand, and given it to your neighbor, David.
1Sa 28:18 Because you did not obey the voice of the LORD, and did not carry out his fierce wrath against Am'alek, therefore the LORD has done this thing to you this day.
1Sa 28:19 Moreover the LORD will give Israel also with you into the hand of the Philistines; and tomorrow you and your sons shall be with me; the LORD will give the army of Israel also into the hand of the Philistines."

Grace and peace be to you.

 

[cygnusx1]

You have an incorrect preconceived notion that the dead cannot speak. Holy Scripture says that the dead can and have.


1Sa 28:15 Then Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" Saul answered, "I am in great distress; for the Philistines are warring against me, and God has turned away from me and answers me no more, either by prophets or by dreams; therefore I have summoned you to tell me what I shall do."
1Sa 28:16 And Samuel said, "Why then do you ask me, since the LORD has turned from you and become your enemy?
1Sa 28:17 The LORD has done to you as he spoke by me; for the LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hand, and given it to your neighbor, David.
1Sa 28:18 Because you did not obey the voice of the LORD, and did not carry out his fierce wrath against Am'alek, therefore the LORD has done this thing to you this day.
1Sa 28:19 Moreover the LORD will give Israel also with you into the hand of the Philistines; and tomorrow you and your sons shall be with me; the LORD will give the army of Israel also into the hand of the Philistines."

Grace and peace be to you.

 

[Los Colosos Del Ring]

Awesome topic. That was something that I have used actually in discussion with people that believe they see ghosts and feel the spiritual pressence, of a relative. Alot of people believe that this happens, and it does.

I find it so funny when I interact with Christians that say they dont believe in ghosts and spiritualists that can taslk to the dead and whatnot.

Christians, the Bible you believe in says they exist. But, He that is in us is greater than He that is in this world.

I think I know what you mean. I'm not sure if I've ever heard a Christian state they believe in ghosts but I may of. I remember a woman at a rest home say something interesting. I think she professed to be a believer but one day she told me years ago when they were sitting at the dinner table, a departed relative came in and sat down and ate with them and then left. She insisted this happened. But anyway I personally think it's strange when Christians say things like UFO's and aliens may be from other planets, or are Earthlings from the future coming back to study us. I just can't see how these type of scenarios can co-exist with the truth of the Bible.

Yes though, Saul was sanctioned and annointed as a king, by God. Yet, he did consult a medium resulting in the end of his life here on earth, and defeat. Also, consider the Israelites that were swallowed by the earth, or killed for the breaking of the Law. Did they go to God, or was death in this world there pentance.

I believe that an early death can be a form of chastisement. I believe this was the case with Ananias and Sapphira. Or consider King Hezekiah in 2nd Kings. There's no mention of God saying why he was sick unto death. It may of been just his designated time, but I personally doubt it. He may of actually done something evil in the sight of God that wasn't mentioned. He obviously didn't think it was his time to go and begged to be allowed to live longer. He pleaded his cause for the good things he had done. God granted him more years. His attitude was obviously better viewed in God's eyes than Saul's. But in the case of Saul, under the circumstances, it may of just been his time to face the penalty of physical death.

 

[IgnatiusOfAntioch]

1Sa 28:15 Then Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" Saul answered, "I am in great distress; for the Philistines are warring against me, and God has turned away from me and answers me no more, either by prophets or by dreams; therefore I have summoned you to tell me what I shall do."
1Sa 28:16 And Samuel said, "Why then do you ask me, since the LORD has turned from you and become your enemy?
1Sa 28:17 The LORD has done to you as he spoke by me; for the LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hand, and given it to your neighbor, David.
1Sa 28:18 Because you did not obey the voice of the LORD, and did not carry out his fierce wrath against Am'alek, therefore the LORD has done this thing to you this day.
1Sa 28:19 Moreover the LORD will give Israel also with you into the hand of the Philistines; and tomorrow you and your sons shall be with me; the LORD will give the army of Israel also into the hand of the Philistines."

Laughing at the Word of God?

 

[tall73]

Laughing at the Word of God?

Or more likely, agreeing with you.

 

[Los Colosos Del Ring]

This does not answer the initial question but does give some insight on the story.

Had this been the true Samuel, he could not have foretold the event unless God had revealed it to him; and, though it were an evil spirit, God might by him foretel it; as we read of an evil spirit that foresaw Ahab’s fall at Ramoth-Gilead and was instrumental in it (1 Ki. 22:20, etc.), as perhaps this evil spirit was, by the divine permission, in Saul’s destruction.

There is a difference as far as I see. At least in scriptural development. As far as the evil spirit that worked as a lying spirit in the prophet goes, scripture at least explains how this came about. In the case of Samuel there's absolutely no mention of deception whatsoever. If anything, by the constant identification of the name Samuel, and the evident shock of the woman, it would seem there was no deception whatsoever. It may not be impossible that it was a familiar spirit or Satan, but I think it's far reaching initself as well as to presume just what Samuel would say!