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Was Joshua a Gentile?

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Joshua 19:49 When they had made an end of dividing the land for inheritance by their coasts, the children of Israel gave an inheritance to Joshua the son of Nun among them:

In Joshua 19, the discussion of who got which chunk of land but when it comes to Joshua, it is worded this way.. almost indicating that Israel out of its inheritance gave a portion to this Gentile...

Nun, in the Hebrew Bible, was a man from the Tribe of Ephraim since Joseph's wife is Egyptian where the tribe of Ephraim sprang from..
 
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Joshua 19:49 When they had made an end of dividing the land for inheritance by their coasts, the children of Israel gave an inheritance to Joshua the son of Nun among them:

In Joshua 19, the discussion of who got which chunk of land but when it comes to Joshua, it is worded this way.. almost indicating that Israel out of its inheritance gave a portion to this Gentile...

Nun, in the Hebrew Bible, was a man from the Tribe of Ephraim since Joseph's wife is Egyptian where the tribe of Ephraim sprang from..

Joshua was an Ephraimite according to Numbers 13:8. The reason it was put like that is most likely because Joshua and Caleb were allowed to choose their lands. Everyone else had their land chosen by lots.
 
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Didn't read choosing their own inheritance..

When they [Israel] had made an end of dividing the land for inheritance by their coasts,the children of Israel gave

Caleb received his land a few chapters earlier that Moses had promised him on his return from spying out the land in Numbers. If you read the next verse, Joshua 19:50
According to the word of the LORD they gave him the city which he asked, even Timnathserah in mount Ephraim: and he built the city, and dwelt therein.​
You see that Joshua chose his land.
 
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Caleb received his land a few chapters earlier that Moses had promised him on his return from spying out the land in Numbers. If you read the next verse, Joshua 19:50
According to the word of the LORD they gave him the city which he asked, even Timnathserah in mount Ephraim: and he built the city, and dwelt therein.​
You see that Joshua chose his land.

I missed that one. Thank you for pointing it out. So much to remember!!;)
 
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I knew Caleb was a Gentile, but Joshua too? Hmm, that would be really interesting (especially since he's the leader after Moshe)!

Caleb wasn't a gentile either. He was of the tribe of Judah. (Num. 13:6) If he were a convert, I don't think it would list him as one of the heads of the tribes.

As for his father being called a Kennezite, there is another explanation. Kenaz means hunter, which would make Jephunnah a hunter, not a gentile.
Caleb the Gentile?
 
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Caleb wasn't a gentile either. He was of the tribe of Judah. (Num. 13:6) If he were a convert, I don't think it would list him as one of the heads of the tribes.

As for his father being called a Kennezite, there is another explanation. Kenaz means hunter, which would make Jephunnah a hunter, not a gentile.
Caleb the Gentile?


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Joshua 19:49 When they had made an end of dividing the land for inheritance by their coasts, the children of Israel gave an inheritance to Joshua the son of Nun among them:

In Joshua 19, the discussion of who got which chunk of land but when it comes to Joshua, it is worded this way.. almost indicating that Israel out of its inheritance gave a portion to this Gentile...

Nun, in the Hebrew Bible, was a man from the Tribe of Ephraim since Joseph's wife is Egyptian where the tribe of Ephraim sprang from..

It is interesting to consider that Joshua was a Gentile when studying how --and if believing in Two-House theory, it's not really an issue since Jacob had proclaimed Joseph's son would be one out of whom many nations would come (interpreted as Gentile nations, in honor of how Joseph himself went to Egypt/became apart of the Gentile nation via having his beard shaved, marrying an Egyptian Wife/daughter of one of the priests and other things within the realm of cultural contexualization--shared in#4 and #17 ).

Genesis 48:17-20
"And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head. And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head. And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations. And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh."
With Joseph's identification with Gentile culture, his children would have the same legacy in many ways...

Nonetheless, I'd go with the traditional interpretation that at best Joshua was mixed since the children of Joseph were still considered Hebrews....abeit mixed/biracial Hebrews with dual heritage (i.e. aspects of Gentile culture apart of their background as well as the Hebraic)...similar to those who are Egyptian Jews. ( as discussed here and here in #12 ). Nun was apart of the tribe from Joseph's children ( Exodus 33:10-12, Numbers 11:27-29 , Numbers 13:15-17 , Numbers 14:29-31 , Numbers 26:64-65 , Numbers 27:17-19 , Numbers 32:11-13 , etc).
I Chronicles 7:20-26

Ephraim

20 The descendants of Ephraim:
Shuthelah, Bered his son,
Tahath his son, Eleadah his son,
Tahath his son, 21 Zabad his son
and Shuthelah his son.

Ezer and Elead were killed by the native-born men of Gath, when they went down to seize their livestock. 22 Their father Ephraim mourned for them many days, and his relatives came to comfort him. 23 Then he made love to his wife again, and she became pregnant and gave birth to a son. He named him Beriah,[c] because there had been misfortune in his family. 24 His daughter was Sheerah, who built Lower and Upper Beth Horon as well as Uzzen Sheerah.
25 Rephah was his son, Resheph his son,[d]
Telah his son, Tahan his son,
26 Ladan his son, Ammihud his son,
Elishama his son, 27 Nun his son
and Joshua his son.
To me, it always made more sense contexually to see Joshua as Hebrew--and it's very interesting when considering how Joshua was a Hebrew by birth while his partner in crime, Caleb, was a Gentile who also recieved land.

As Messianic Rabbi Eric Carlson said best:
Two very famous spies of the twelve, Joshua (also known as Efraiym Hosea, son of Nun) and Caleb made a very different report. Caleb said in Numbers 13:30 "Let us go up at once and take possession, for we are well able to overcome it." God’s anger flared at those who balked at taking possession of the land and the entire generation would perish in the wilderness and never enter the land. Caleb and Joshua however found favor with the Lord for their faith, belief, and their representation of the Lord. These two men of God were allowed to enter the Promised Land and receive their inheritance!

Now, here’s the “One New Man” scriptural revelation! Caleb was not Jewish! He was a Kenizzite (Numbers 32:12), a group of people from the area North and East of the land of Israel in what is now present day Syria. Caleb was a proselytite, a convert to Judaism and the Jewish People. Caleb was integrated into the tribe of Judah and was selected as one of the twelve spies. Caleb and Joshua were the first “One New Man” in the Bible, a Jew and Gentile who came together as one to inherit the promises given to Abraham. Not only were Joshua and Caleb the first “One New Man”, they were the only two of the twelve spies who said the land could be taken. The promises, fullness, and completeness of the Kingdom of God are for the Jew and Gentile, together as “One New Man”. It is the “One New Man” who will enter God’s rest in Hebrews 4:6-11. Yeshua’s plan for us is to stand together as the One New Man!

Joshua and Caleb set a mighty example for us! Our report should be “The Harvest is ripe and it is ours!

There's more than enough evidence of Caleb being Gentile---from the line of Easu-- as discussed here in#23 and#24 (with alot of the accusations about him not being so based heavily in a lot of avoidance of the text/semantics). His acceptance despite being Gentile would not be the first occurrence of such happening in the scriptures since there were many from Gentiles cultures who were grafted in. As said best in one resource:
Caleb was "head" (Numbers 13:3) of the Hezronite family in Judah; while Nahshon son of Amminadab was head or prince of the whole tribe (Numbers 1:7). He and Oshea or Joshua, alone of the twelve, on returning from Canaan to Kadesh Barnea, encouraged the people when dispirited by the other spies: "Let us go up at once, and possess the land (he does not for a moment doubt Israel's ability; not Let us try; success is certain, the Lord being on our side), for we are well able to overcome it" (Numbers 13:30). His character answers to his name, all heart. His reward was according to his faith (Numbers 14:24). "My servant Caleb, because he had another spirit, and hath followed Me fully, him will I bring into the land where unto he went, and his seed shall possess it."

Forty-five years afterward Caleb reminded Moses of God's promise, adding that now at 85 he was as strong as then. "Hebron therefore (the land he had trodden upon in faith as a spy, Deuteronomy 1:36) became the inheritance of Caleb, ... because that he wholly followed the Lord God of Israel" (Joshua 14:8-9; Joshua 14:14). He dislodged the three sons of Anak , Joshua 15:14, and gave Achsah his daughter to Othniel, son of Kenaz his brother, for taking Debir. (See ANAK; ACHSAH; DEBIR . In Joshua 15:13, "unto Caleb Joshua gave a part among the children of Judah, according to the commandment of the Lord, ... even the city of Arba, father of Anak-Hebron," it is implied that he was not by birth of Judah, but was given his portion in that tribe by the special command of the" God of Israel."

By marriage and submission to the bond of Jehovah's covenant with Israel he became a true Israelite by adoption; a specimen of God's mercy to the Gentiles even in Old Testament times, and a pledge of the opening of the door of faith to them widely in the New Testament So Jethro, Rahab, Ruth, Naaman. Kenaz his ancestor was a duke of Edom (Genesis 36:11; Genesis 36:15). The names Shobal and Manahath are other Edomite (Genesis 36:20-23) names which appear among the sons of the Caleb in 1 Chronicles 2:50; 1 Chronicles 2:52.

Jephunneh, his father's name, is probably the same as Pinon (1 Chronicles 1:52; Genesis 36:41). Termanites too are among the children of Ashur, Hezron's son (1 Chronicles 4:6). This consideration helps to account for the large numbers of Israelites at the Exodus; proselytes and marriage connections from other races swelled the number of Israelites of pure blood. Hebron was afterward a priests' city, belonging to the Kohathites; but the territory about continued in Caleb's family (from which sprang the churl Nabal, for faith does not always come by blood descent)at the time of David (1 Samuel 25:3; 1 Samuel 30:14).




Other things to consider are Num. 32: 10-12 and Gen. 15: 18-19. For many have felt that Caleb, rather than being a descendant of Easu, was really from the other cultures around the time of Abraham...
Numbers 32:10-12 NIV

The LORD's anger was aroused that day and he swore this oath: "Because they have not followed me wholeheartedly, not one of the men twenty years old or more who came up out of Egypt will see the land I promised on oath to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob—not one except Caleb son of Jephunneh the Kenizzite and Joshua son of Nun, for they followed the LORD wholeheartedly.'

Genesis 15:18-19 NLT
So the LORD made a covenant with Abram that day and said, "I have given this land to your descendants, all the way from the border of Egypt to the great Euphrates River—the land now occupied by the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites,

Caleb (a Gentile whose name means dog in Hebrew and who wholly followed the Lord God of Israel) had to fight the sons of Anak in Hebron for his inheritance. The Anakims are a type of the enemy in heavenly places.

Joshua 14:12 states"Now therefore give me this mountain, whereof the LORD spake in that day; for thou heardest in that day how the Anakims were there, and that the cities were great and fenced: if so be the LORD will be with me, then I shall be able to drive them out, as the LORD said. And Joshua blessed him, and gave unto Caleb the son of Jephunneh Hebron for an inheritance."

Caleb's inheritance was among the tribe of Judah and close to the children of Aaron who inherited the city of Hebron. Joshua 21:12 states "But the fields of the city, and the villages thereof, gave they to Caleb the son of Jephunneh for his possession." (Ezekiel 47:22-23). Not all that came out of Egypt, but Joshua and Caleb, were able to conquer all of their enemies. .....and thankfully, we can defeat them as well just like Paul noted in : 2 Corinthians 6:7





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I knew Caleb was a Gentile, but Joshua too? Hmm, that would be really interesting (especially since he's the leader after Moshe)!
If nothing else, it'd be a parallel for the spiritual reality of how it really is the One New Man (Jew and Gentile together) that's able to conquer:)
 
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Joshua was from the 'half-tribe' of Ephram. Josephs sons were given a double blessing that is why we place our hands on our sons heads and bless them saying " may you be like Ephram and M'nasheh!"

Something which has always puzzled me is how, despite Ephraim being blessed by Jacob and the Lord promising to prosper him, it seems that Ephraim was not included in the book of Revelations:
Revelation 7

144,000 Sealed

1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.


5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.


Manasseh is included, but Ephraim is not..and I've always found it astounding that the Tribes of Ephraim (as well as that of Dan) are missing from the list. Though there are some who feel it is a translation error and more is there when studying the text. One Messianic, know as Steve Collins, actually spoke more in-depth on the matter---as seen here.
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Of course, others are of the mindset that the tribe of Dan was not included because of how they may've fallen into extreme idolatry/immorality....and thus, the Lord wiped them out. The tribe of Dan as a whole was guilty of gross idolatry—even to the point of stealing the idols they used to practice their religion (Judges 18:14-31). Theirs was the first organized idolatry in ancient Israel, and the longest in duration..and it continued "until the day of the captivity of the land," nearly 500 years later (Judges 18:30). Some say that Ephraim and Dan are connected in their being not listed, as idolatry is the same thing that Ephraim fell into like Dan (compare Judges 17:1-3 and Hosea 4:17).

However, that may not be a valid argument since both the tribe of Manasseh and the tribe of Joseph are listed. ....and with Ephraim and Manasseh were the two sons of Joseph (Genesis 48:1), since Manasseh is one of the two tribes descended from Joseph, it'd be logical to say that "the tribe of Joseph" mentioned in Revelation 7:8 must refer to Ephraim. From this, perhaps we can learn that Ephraim, being the leading tribe of the house of Joseph, sometimes bore the name "Joseph"--and thus, it may not be the case that Ephraim was wiped out.

But with Dan, I'm still processing what to make of it.

As another said best when it came to their giving conjecture:

Maybe the tribe of Dan is not mentioned because they became so involved in idolatry (Judges 18:30-31). The Lord hates idolatry, and this was the very thing that led God to give up on the early inhabitants of the “promised land” given to Israel. The Lord warned Israel that they were not to study or practice any of the pagan rites of the heathen nations that were overthrown by God to make way for the Children of Israel to become a nation (Exodus 23:31-33, Leviticus 18:1-5 & verses 24-30). Every thing connected with idolatry was to be burned or put to death as they entered the land to possess it (Deuteronomy 7:1-6 & Joshua 6:15-21).

Others are of the mindset that Israel, at the eve of the Lord's coming, shall be found re-embodied as a nation...with its tribes distinctly specified and Joseph being substituted for Dan---and possible reasons others feel are that either Dan is replaced because the Antichrist is to come from Dan....or Dan is to be Antichrist's especial tool. One can compare Genesis 49:17, Jeremiah 8:16 and Amos 8:14 when it comes to the possibility of Dan being one who won't be used except for wrong.. just as there was a Judas among the Twelve.

For myself, I don't think its necessarily the case that Dan has no place in the future. For Ezekiel 48:31-34 also specifies a gate to the city of Jerusalem for each tribe. "And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi. And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one gate of Joseph, one gate of Benjamin, one gate of Dan. And at the south side four thousand and five hundred measures: and three gates; one gate of Simeon, one gate of Issachar, one gate of Zebulun. At the west side four thousand and five hundred, with their three gates; one gate of Gad, one gate of Asher, one gate of Naphtali."

These same gates are also mentioned in Revelation 21:12-13, in the middle of the description of the new Jerusalem after the future 1000 year kingdom. "... had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates."

As Dan is mentioned first in the apportioning of land in the soon-coming Millennium (Ezekiel 48:1) and the apostle Paul assures us, "All Israel will be saved" (Romans 11:26), I don't know I could say that Dan's fate is lost.
 
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Except it has nothing to do with Gentiles.
Only when choosing to look past the plain text where it discusses Gentiles (as well what has often been said in traditional Judaism) or doing semantics to make it not mean "Gentiles"
 
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It has everything to do with the fact that Gentiles have been seeping into the faith all along..
Everything in the OT is Christ concealed, where the NT shows Christ revealed....and what was accomplished in CHrist with Jew/Gentile united for conquest was previewed in the OT on a multitude of levels.

And when seeing how alot of it goes back towhat Paul noted on how all Israel would be saved and Gentiles were grafted in, there are many amazing things that come to light :). Alot of it goes back to things noted in a thread you made on Jewish culture hidden in Gentile worlds--as seen here---and I'm thankful for others who've done an excellent job in addressing some of those dynamics are Messianics organizations such as the ministry of "TNN Online" (with John McKee )--as stated in places like "The Two Houses of Israel: Biblical Passages That Deserve Our Attention" .

Other places to consider as it concerns what the Lord promised to Joseph's son, Ephraim, in Genesis and how that can possibly connect with Joshua (The Son of Nun, descendant of Ephraim) being connected to Gentile culture...as well as to the concept of Gentiles grafted in:

 
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Caleb wasn't a gentile either. He was of the tribe of Judah. (Num. 13:6) If he were a convert, I don't think it would list him as one of the heads of the tribes.

As for his father being called a Kennezite, there is another explanation. Kenaz means hunter, which would make Jephunnah a hunter, not a gentile.
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Hey Pat,

Remember Jabez? Thought you might find this interesting; from the ISBE: Jephunneh
(יפנּה, yephunneh, meaning uncertain):
(1) Father of Caleb (Num_13:6; Num_14:6, Num_14:30, etc.).
According to Num_13:6, he was of the tribe of Judah; according to Num_32:12; Jos_14:6, a Kenizzite; the Kenizzites were incorporated in Judah (compare 1Ch_4:13-15).

1Ch 4:10 And Jabez called on the God of Israel, saying, Oh that thou wouldest bless me indeed, and enlarge my coast, and that thine hand might be with me, and that thou wouldest keep me from evil, that it may not grieve me! And God granted him that which he requested.
1Ch 4:11 And Chelub the brother of Shuah begat Mehir, which was the father of Eshton.
1Ch 4:12 And Eshton begat Bethrapha, and Paseah, and Tehinnah the father of Irnahash. These are the men of Rechah.
1Ch 4:13 And the sons of Kenaz; Othniel, and Seraiah: and the sons of Othniel; Hathath.
1Ch 4:14 And Meonothai begat Ophrah: and Seraiah begat Joab, the father of the valley of Charashim; for they were craftsmen.
1Ch 4:15 And the sons of Caleb the son of Jephunneh; Iru, Elah, and Naam: and the sons of Elah, even Kenaz.
It seems that the Kenazites were incorporated into the tribe of Judah. So in my opinion, no; after so many generations, there is no way that Caleb was a gentile.

Look it over and tell me what you think.
 
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There is no plain text regarding Gentiles in Joshua.

Joshua was in the tabernacle Exo 33:11 when Moses said to the Lord " so shall we be separated,I and thy people, from all the people that [are] upon the face of the earth."

If a Gentile wishes to seperate himself to the Lord, he must become an alien resident, which was impossible at the time of Moses, because the Children of Israel had not come into the land and taken it for a possession. Yet, Joshua was a high priest, even sitting within the tabernacle.

One thing you have to learn here: It isn't the Gentile that saves the Jew by being grafted in.
 
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