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Was Jesus missing for 13 years?

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Some days ago, my religious teacher told me that Jesus was totally not mentioned in the Bibble for 13 years. Historians later found a 'tombstone' of Jesus in the Northern part of India. It was also found that a small group of Indians there had a religion very close to Christianilty. Their describtion of their founder fits very close to Jesus too.

So...did Jesus escape from the Romans to India and preach christianlity there for 13 years? If so, why did the Bibble said thast Jesus died on the cross not in India? If not, how can one explain the 'tombstone' of Jesus and that small group of 'Christians'?

To adviod misunderstanding, I say once again that the above was not spoken by me, but my religious teacher!
 

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Where exactly are these missing 13 years? There is about a 10 year gap between Matthew's account of Christ's birth and His visit to the Temple. This is followed by about a 27 year gap before He began His preaching. There are no gaps after this.

Do you have any citation of this tombstone? Consdier the historical evidence. There are many accounts of Christ's death on the cross, some written by His followers, at least one written by an enemy. There is not written record of Christ having ever gone to India. As for the name on the tombstone, Jesus (actually, that is the Greek version of His name) was an extremely common name in Israel at the time.

Sacred Tradition maintains that at least one of Christ's Apostles, St Thomas, went to India to preach Christianity. It is possible that these people you report learned of Christ through Thomas.
 
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ruixiangz said:
Some days ago, my religious teacher told me that Jesus was totally not mentioned in the Bibble for 13 years. Historians later found a 'tombstone' of Jesus in the Northern part of India. It was also found that a small group of Indians there had a religion very close to Christianilty. Their describtion of their founder fits very close to Jesus too.

So...did Jesus escape from the Romans to India and preach christianlity there for 13 years? If so, why did the Bibble said thast Jesus died on the cross not in India? If not, how can one explain the 'tombstone' of Jesus and that small group of 'Christians'?

To adviod misunderstanding, I say once again that the above was not spoken by me, but my religious teacher!
Respectfully ask your teacher to prove it and show you some evidence.
 
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Some interstin facts...

My teacher went to a church and ask a priest there...know what the priest says?... ' You do not have the wisdom of God, so you will not be able to understand this, and you should not question God'

It is strange how a priest answer the people's question!
 
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Did Jesus Christ ever visit India?Friday, 07 November , 2003, 11:56Puri: Did Jesus Christ ever visit the pilgrim city of Puri during his "unexplained twelve years" of life? We would know soon if German scholar H J Trebst's research to unearth the missing twelve years of Christ's life bears fruit.

Dr Trebst, who had invited the scholars of this ancient city, yesterday said according to some scholars of the Orient and the West, Jesus had visited Puri where he had studied Veda and Yoga before returning home to preach Christianity.

Jesus Christ had also studied Buddhism in the Indian sub-continent, the scholar, who had done extensive research in Ladhakh and Nepal to trace evidence of Christ's itinerary in the Indian sub-continent, said.

A seminar was also organised under the aegis of Jagannath Gabeshana Parishad where eminent scholars like Dr Harekrushna Satapathy, Dr Siddheswer Mohapatra, Jagabandhu Padhi, Dr Debendra Dash and others deliberated over the Hindu religious texts which mentioned the activities of Jesus.

Dr Trebst said 2,000 years ago Puri was a famous seat of learning and history has revealed that over the centuries religious leaders of various sects and cults had visited this holy shrine.

It was most likely that Jesus had also visited this holy seat of learning, he said, though adding that it was a very difficult task to trace the history of his visit to Puri. The German scholar was, however, optimistic that the scholars of the pilgrim city would be of immense help in analysing the ancient manuscripts and scriptures on the visit of Jesus. Meanwhile, the local research scholars have suggested Dr Trebst to go through the library of the Jagatguru Sankeracharya, the oldest in the state, which had a large collection of palm leaf manuscripts since the time of Aadi Sanker (about 4th century BC) to find out the missing links in the life of Christ.
From here.
More info:


http://a1.nu/christian/jesus-christ/lived_in_india.htm

http://a1.nu/christian/books/jesus.htm
As I suspected, another of the false teachings that denies that Jesus died on the cross for our sins, but left Israel and supported other Gods other than Jehovah - a violation of God's commandments when Jesus was the only man to never break any of God's commandments; thus being a perfect sacrifice for our sins. There are many of these lies spread across this world, just as Jesus said that the ememy, satan, would seek to destroy the knowledge of the truth and sow lies, stealing the truth, seeking to destroy many in his rage and rebellion against God.
Without Christ's death on the cross, we are all lost with no propitiation or sacrifice for our sins, and left without victory over the curse of death. Without Christs death and resurrection from death, there is no new life which is the hope of mankind for eternal life, as Jesus was the "first of many brethren ".
The apostle Paul warns that satan will present himself as a messenger of truth to the world and deceive many and that the end times, which we are living in, would be a battle ground for evil and good - truth and lies.

Mark 4:15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

1 Corinthians 11:13 for those such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ,
14 and no wonder—for even the Adversary doth transform himself into a messenger of light;
 
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A Buddhist is one who FOLLOWS the teachings of Buddha. Buddha did not say that Jesus was the son of God. As for the missing years, I believe that God simply didnt want people to notice Jesus. He was probably simply innoucous, blended into society so as to be unnoticed. In Isaiah, Jesus is described as plain with no distinguinshing or charismatic characteristics. This was purposely designed so that the spirit worked through Him rather than worldly characteristics. This can add to an innocuous presence until the appointed time. Human nature loves to conjecture and solve mysteries that no one else has solved. There will be as many theories as to what happened to Jesus as there are people who have them. But God is in control and if he wanted us to know about those missing years, He would have revealed them to us.
 
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1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

1 Timothy 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
 
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Philip said:
Where exactly are these missing 13 years? There is about a 10 year gap between Matthew's account of Christ's birth and His visit to the Temple. This is followed by about a 27 year gap before He began His preaching. There are no gaps after this.
I think you need to do your addition again Philip, if what you posted is correct that would make Yeshua 42 1/2 years old when he completed His mission here and died on the tree.

When he was 12 1/2 he when with his family to Jerusalem for Passover. As the story goes he stayed behind to listen to the Priests in the Temple as well as to talk with them of what they were teaching. This is very much like today BTW of a boy in Hebrew school preparing for his Bar Mitvah. ) Anyway, we next here of an age of "about 30 years ole when he began His ministry, this would have been about 45 days before his 30th birthday. So the Passover Temple time ( 12 1/2 years old) and the beginning of his ministry ( 30 for a Rabbi) would be 17 and 1/2 years.

It is said by many that in the forty days following the resurection that Yeshua did not make appearances only in Judea, but around the world as well, which certainly could be accomplished from Him , risen from the dead.
 
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Chapter 7

As a Child

[This chapter is based on Luke 2:39,40.]



The childhood and youth of Jesus were spent in a little mountain village. There was no place on earth that would not have been honored by His presence. The palaces of kings would have been privileged in receiving Him as a guest. But He passed by the homes of wealth, the courts of royalty, and the renowned seats of learning, to make His home in obscure and despised Nazareth.

Wonderful in its significance is the brief record of His early life: "The child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon Him." In the sunlight of His Father's countenance, Jesus "increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man." Luke 2:52. His mind was active and penetrating, with a thoughtfulness and wisdom beyond His years. Yet His character was beautiful in its symmetry. The powers of mind and body developed gradually, in keeping with the laws of childhood.

As a child, Jesus manifested a peculiar loveliness of disposition. His willing hands were ever ready to serve others. He manifested a patience Page 69

that nothing could disturb, and a truthfulness that would never sacrifice integrity. In principle firm as a rock, His life revealed the grace of unselfish courtesy.



With deep earnestness the mother of Jesus watched the unfolding of His powers, and beheld the impress of perfection upon His character. With delight she sought to encourage that bright, receptive mind. Through the Holy Spirit she received wisdom to co-operate with the heavenly agencies in the development of this child, who could claim only God as His Father.

From the earliest times the faithful in Israel had given much care to the education of the youth. The Lord had directed that even from babyhood the children should be taught of His goodness and His greatness, especially as revealed in His law, and shown in the history of Israel. Song and prayer and lessons from the Scriptures were to be adapted to the opening mind. Fathers and mothers were to instruct their children that the law of God is an expression of His character, and that as they received the principles of the law into the heart, the image of God was traced on mind and soul. Much of the teaching was oral; but the youth also learned to read the Hebrew writings; and the parchment rolls of the Old Testament Scriptures were open to their study.

In the days of Christ the town or city that did not provide for the religious instruction of the young was regarded as under the curse of God. Yet the teaching had become formal. Tradition had in a great degree supplanted the Scriptures. True education would lead the youth to "seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after Him, and find Him." Acts 17:27. But the Jewish teachers gave their attention to matters of ceremony. The mind was crowded with material that was worthless to the learner, and that would not be recognized in the higher school of the courts above. The experience which is obtained through a personal acceptance of God's word had no place in the educational system. Absorbed in the round of externals, the students found no quiet hours to spend with God. They did not hear His voice speaking to the heart. In their search after knowledge, they turned away from the Source of wisdom. The great essentials of the service of God were neglected. The principles of the law were obscured. That which was regarded as superior education was the greatest hindrance to real development. Under the training of the rabbis the powers of the youth were repressed. Their minds became cramped and narrow. Page 70



The child Jesus did not receive instruction in the synagogue schools. His mother was His first human teacher. From her lips and from the scrolls of the prophets, He learned of heavenly things. The very words which He Himself had spoken to Moses for Israel He was now taught at His mother's knee. As He advanced from childhood to youth, He did not seek the schools of the rabbis. He needed not the education to be obtained from such sources; for God was His instructor.

The question asked during the Saviour's ministry, "How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?" does not indicate that Jesus was unable to read, but merely that He had not received a rabbinical education. John 7:15. Since He gained knowledge as we may do, His intimate acquaintance with the Scriptures shows how diligently His early years were given to the study of God's word. And spread out before Him was the great library of God's created works. He who had made all things studied the lessons which His own hand had written in earth and sea and sky. Apart from the unholy ways of the world, He gathered stores of scientific knowledge from nature. He studied the life of plants and animals, and the life of man. From His earliest years He was possessed of one purpose; He lived to bless others. For this He found resources in nature; new ideas of ways and means flashed into His mind as He studied plant life and animal life. Continually He was seeking to draw from things seen illustrations by which to present the living oracles of God. The parables by which, during His ministry, He loved to teach His lessons of truth show how open His spirit was to the influences of nature, and how He had gathered the spiritual teaching from the surroundings of His daily life.

Thus to Jesus the significance of the word and the works of God was unfolded, as He was trying to understand the reason of things. Heavenly beings were His attendants, and the culture of holy thoughts and communings was His. From the first dawning of intelligence He was constantly growing in spiritual grace and knowledge of truth.

Every child may gain knowledge as Jesus did. As we try to become acquainted with our heavenly Father through His word, angels will draw near, our minds will be strengthened, our characters will be elevated and refined. We shall become more like our Saviour. And as we behold the beautiful and grand in nature, our affections go out after God. While the spirit is awed, the soul is invigorated by coming in contact with the Infinite through His works. Communion with God through Page 71

prayer develops the mental and moral faculties, and the spiritual powers strengthen as we cultivate thoughts upon spiritual things.



The life of Jesus was a life in harmony with God. While He was a child, He thought and spoke as a child; but no trace of sin marred the image of God within Him. Yet He was not exempt from temptation. The inhabitants of Nazareth were proverbial for their wickedness. The low estimate in which they were generally held is shown by Nathanael's question, "Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth?" John 1:46. Jesus was placed where His character would be tested. It was necessary for Him to be constantly on guard in order to preserve His purity. He was subject to all the conflicts which we have to meet, that He might be an example to us in childhood, youth, and manhood.

Satan was unwearied in his efforts to overcome the Child of Nazareth. From His earliest years Jesus was guarded by heavenly angels, yet His life was one long struggle against the powers of darkness. That there should be upon the earth one life free from the defilement of evil was an offense and a perplexity to the prince of darkness. He left no means untried to ensnare Jesus. No child of humanity will ever be called to live a holy life amid so fierce a conflict with temptation as was our Saviour. Page 72



The parents of Jesus were poor, and dependent upon their daily toil. He was familiar with poverty, self-denial, and privation. This experience was a safeguard to Him. In His industrious life there were no idle moments to invite temptation. No aimless hours opened the way for corrupting associations. So far as possible, He closed the door to the tempter. Neither gain nor pleasure, applause nor censure, could induce Him to consent to a wrong act. He was wise to discern evil, and strong to resist it.

Christ was the only sinless one who ever dwelt on earth; yet for nearly thirty years He lived among the wicked inhabitants of Nazareth. This fact is a rebuke to those who think themselves dependent upon place, fortune, or prosperity, in order to live a blameless life. Temptation, poverty, adversity, is the very discipline needed to develop purity and firmness.

Jesus lived in a peasant's home, and faithfully and cheerfully acted His part in bearing the burdens of the household. He had been the Commander of heaven, and angels had delighted to fulfill His word; now He was a willing servant, a loving, obedient son. He learned a trade, and with His own hands worked in the carpenter's shop with Joseph. In the simple garb of a common laborer He walked the streets of the little town, going to and returning from His humble work. He did not employ His divine power to lessen His burdens or to lighten His toil.

As Jesus worked in childhood and youth, mind and body were developed. He did not use His physical powers recklessly, but in such a way as to keep them in health, that He might do the best work in every line. He was not willing to be defective, even in the handling of tools. He was perfect as a workman, as He was perfect in character. By His own example He taught that it is our duty to be industrious, that our work should be performed with exactness and thoroughness, and that such labor is honorable. The exercise that teaches the hands to be useful and trains the young to bear their share of life's burdens gives physical strength, and develops every faculty. All should find something to do that will be beneficial to themselves and helpful to others. God appointed work as a blessing, and only the diligent worker finds the true glory and joy of life. The approval of God rests with loving assurance upon children and youth who cheerfully take their part in the duties of the household, sharing the burdens of father and mother. Such children will go out from the home to be useful members of society. Page 73



Throughout His life on earth, Jesus was an earnest and constant worker. He expected much; therefore He attempted much. After He had entered on His ministry, He said, "I must work the works of Him that sent Me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work." John 9:4. Jesus did not shirk care and responsibility, as do many who profess to be His followers. It is because they seek to evade this discipline that so many are weak and inefficient. They may possess precious and amiable traits, but they are nerveless and almost useless when difficulties are to be met or obstacles surmounted. The positiveness and energy, the solidity and strength of character, manifested in Christ are to be developed in us, through the same discipline that He endured. And the grace that He received is for us.

So long as He lived among men, our Saviour shared the lot of the poor. He knew by experience their cares and hardships, and He could comfort and encourage all humble workers. Those who have a true conception of the teaching of His life will never feel that a distinction must be made between classes, that the rich are to be honored above the worthy poor.

Jesus carried into His labor cheerfulness and tact. It requires much patience and spirituality to bring Bible religion into the home life and into the workshop, to bear the strain of worldly business, and yet keep the eye single to the glory of God. This is where Christ was a helper. He was never so full of worldly care as to have no time or thought for heavenly things. Often He expressed the gladness of His heart by singing psalms and heavenly songs. Often the dwellers in Nazareth heard His voice raised in praise and thanksgiving to God. He held communion with heaven in song; and as His companions complained of weariness from labor, they were cheered by the sweet melody from His lips. His praise seemed to banish the evil angels, and, like incense, fill the place with fragrance. The minds of His hearers were carried away from their earthly exile, to the heavenly home. Page 74



Jesus was the fountain of healing mercy for the world; and through all those secluded years at Nazareth, His life flowed out in currents of sympathy and tenderness. The aged, the sorrowing, and the sin-burdened, the children at play in their innocent joy, the little creatures of the groves, the patient beasts of burden,--all were happier for His presence. He whose word of power upheld the worlds would stoop to relieve a wounded bird. There was nothing beneath His notice, nothing to which He disdained to minister.

Thus as He grew in wisdom and stature, Jesus increased in favor with God and man. He drew the sympathy of all hearts by showing Himself capable of sympathizing with all. The atmosphere of hope and courage that surrounded Him made Him a blessing in every home. And often in the synagogue on the Sabbath day He was called upon to read the lesson from the prophets, and the hearts of the hearers thrilled as a new light shone out from the familiar words of the sacred text.

Yet Jesus shunned display. During all the years of His stay in Nazareth, He made no exhibition of His miraculous power. He sought no high position and assumed no titles. His quiet and simple life, and even the silence of the Scriptures concerning His early years, teach an important lesson. The more quiet and simple the life of the child,--the more free from artificial excitement, and the more in harmony with nature,--the more favorable is it to physical and mental vigor and to spiritual strength. Jesus is our example. There are many who dwell with interest upon the period of His public ministry, while they pass unnoticed the teaching of His early years. But it is in His home life that He is the pattern for all children and youth. The Saviour condescended to poverty, that He might teach how closely we in a humble lot may walk with God. He lived to please, honor, and glorify His Father in the common things of life. His work began in consecrating the lowly trade of the craftsmen who toil for their daily bread. He was doing God's service just as much when laboring at the carpenter's bench as when working miracles for the multitude. And every youth who follows Christ's example of faithfulness and obedience in His lowly home may claim those words spoken of Him by the Father through the Holy Spirit, "Behold My Servant, whom I uphold; Mine Elect, in whom My soul delighteth." Isa. 42:1.
 
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Pistos Ergon said:

Hi there!

:wave:

Well, there certainly is a lot of assumption in your posting, but how about some facts instead?



If Jesus grew up in Natzareth (that is the correct spelling) as is commonly accepted, then He would have grown up under the influence of Hasidic teachings which were a closed sect of Judaism who believed that the Messiah would rise out of their own people. There was a synagogue in Natzareth for training and for worship.


If Jesus grew up in Natzareth, he would have lived in a house hewn out of the soft limestone, a cave, at least part of his life if not all of the time that he lived there. That cave would have been shared with four brothers, at least two sisters, and his parents--making a household of at least nine people living in a one-room or two-room cave.


If Jesus grew up in Natzareth, then he grew up in a small community of about 150-200 people. The perimeter of Natzareth is firmly established by the first-century tombs that line two sides of the town. The area of first-century Natzareth was quite limited.


If Jesus grew up in Nazareth, it may be recognized that Joseph was probably the only "tekton" within the city as Jesus is referenced as the son of "the carpenter" being an indication of only one. Being a tekton, Joseph probably worked in Zeppori, three and one-half miles away OVER the mountain.


If Jewish tradition was followed, Jesus would have been trained to be a tekton, and by the age of 12 or 13, he would have worked from sunrise until sunset as an apprentice to his father--some days that would be in excess of 14 hours a day--and without pay. If he worked in Zeppori where tektons were in great demand, then the walk would have included a 3 1/2 mile walk down the mountain in the morning, and the tedious 3 1/2 mile walk up and over the mountain each night.


~malaka~
 
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ruixiangz said:
Some days ago, my religious teacher told me that Jesus was totally not mentioned in the Bibble for 13 years. Historians later found a 'tombstone' of Jesus in the Northern part of India. It was also found that a small group of Indians there had a religion very close to Christianilty. Their describtion of their founder fits very close to Jesus too.

So...did Jesus escape from the Romans to India and preach christianlity there for 13 years? If so, why did the Bibble said thast Jesus died on the cross not in India? If not, how can one explain the 'tombstone' of Jesus and that small group of 'Christians'?

To adviod misunderstanding, I say once again that the above was not spoken by me, but my religious teacher!

Hi there!

:wave:



For more on what you are seeking...


http://www.ascension-research.org/lyj-rev.html

In contrast, othere teachings concerning the "lost years" are far different from those your religion teacher provided...

http://www.asis.com/~stag/chrstbrt.html

If speculation is to be the case, it would be better to believe that Jesus followed the teachings of Judaic law, that he lived at home with his family, followed in his father's occupation, and as the oldest son, had the care of his mother after his father's death.



~malaka~
 
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those eastern text that seem to be refering to Jesus (Issa), etc. appear to be retellings of the Gospel stories, "versions" (so to speak) that made their way to India...they don't seem to be saying that Jesus lived there, studied there, etc. It seems that they are telling the Gospel in their own environment (to me at least).

Anyway, it would not be hard to believe that wisemen have existed throughout time, in India as well as other places, and taught philosophies somewhat similar to the teachings of Christ....just that these other wisemen were not Jesus and did not carry any of the conotations thereof.
 
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