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Was Jesus a murderer?

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there's milder versions of this same passage like this one from the message translation for example

As for these enemies of mine who petitioned against my rule, clear them out of here. I don't want to see their faces around here again.'"

but yea, more traditional versions tend to have the word slay in them

But (M)these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and (N)slay them in my presence.

well of course Jesus was not a murderer cause even int his wrathful passage as we can clearly see he was not going to slay his enemies with his own hands, was he, clearly he's compelling his disciples to do that on his behalf. Plus we don't know what he really had in mind, you know, if his disciples had really gone and brought in some bad people and had been about to cut their throats what would Jesus have done, would he have just stood there and watched the wicked getting wasted, or would he have intervened Isaac/Abraham style and saved their lives. Or perhaps he'd have let them get killed but then to sort of reveal God's glory in full swing he'd have raised them from death.
In fact the whole thing can be viewed as a figure of speech of sorts, like he says slay them because they're so bad and wicked that they're as good as dead, or he might just have been distressed at his own impending demise, cause he was aware what sort of doom was shaping up for him.
But in any case he wasn't a murdered in the sense that there's no record of him actually murdering anyone, calls for murder are not exactly the same thing as murder, are they?
 
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crashedman said:
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
(Luke 19.27)]



I saw this site just now and am sickened. Why would Jesus say something like this if God put up a commandment "Thou shalt not kill"?


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It's not a direct instruction from Jesus but part of a parable. A figure of speech telling us God's wrath will fall on the wicked. Read from 19:11 and it should make sense.

I wouldn't take anything you read seriously from that website. This is just an example of the many lies and deceptions they use to turn people away from the Lord. It's quite sad, but ultimately it just proves how sound the word of God really is when people have to resort to such tactics.
 
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Anduril said:
It's not a direct instruction from Jesus but part of a parable. A figure of speech telling us God's wrath will fall on the wicked. Read from 19:11 and it should make sense.

I wouldn't take anything you read seriously from that website. This is just an example of the many lies and deceptions they use to turn people away from the Lord. It's quite sad, but ultimately it just proves how sound the word of God really is when people have to resort to such tactics.

A figure of speech telling you to kill people? WOW. The sad part about it is that Christians actually did that to the Jews....whether it's a parable or not...the truth is it was later done. So obviously it wasn't meant to be a parable.
 
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bill16652 said:
that particulat verse was the end of a parable and you took it pout of context, read the whole thing, if he really felt this way then why did he tell peter in the garden to put away his sword and restored the ear of his enemy

I don't know. You tell us. Does Jesus have multiple personalities? One day he is mr. new guy and then next day....slay the Jews. Kinda messed up to me.
 
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bill16652 said:
open your mind to take the bible in its context and then maybe it wouldnt be so messed up

How about you open your mind and actually read the Bible for what it says instead of protecting a Bible that tells people to kill, murder and abuse.
 
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Shy21 I just said it's not an instruction to slay anyone but part of a parable. What is it about that you don't understand? Read it in context.

Luk 19:11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
 
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yes. christianity when it is not taken out of context or exploited for someones own ends. we are to love our enemies not kill them. when we are truly walking the walk and mature as christians we cannot do harm to anyone as we are told to love all. yes, we hate the sin but we love the sinner.
 
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bill16652 said:
yes. christianity when it is not taken out of context or exploited for someones own ends. we are to love our enemies not kill them. when we are truly walking the walk and mature as christians we cannot do harm to anyone as we are told to love all. yes, we hate the sin but we love the sinner.

AWWW....that's so nice.
 
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Ok, logical Christians know not to take a parable literally and just to take the underlying message.

ok, i made it sound like non-christians are the only ones that take it out of context.........Christians are actually the biggest offenders. Trying to make the Word fit their wants and needs to justify what they do that is wrong or what they believe they should do that is wrong.

But non-believers do it for the sake of trying to prove a CHristian wrong in the act of they own offense. They love to see a Christian trip, i know, i live with two atheists..my olda sista and stepfather. And i used to be one too and i did the same thing.
 
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RippinMicsFoChrist said:
Ok, logical Christians know not to take a parable literally and just to take the underlying message.

ok, i made it sound like non-christians are the only ones that take it out of context.........Christians are actually the biggest offenders. Trying to make the Word fit their wants and needs to justify what they do that is wrong or what they believe they should do that is wrong.

But non-believers do it for the sake of trying to prove a CHristian wrong in the act of they own offense. They love to see a Christian trip, i know, i live with two atheists..my olda sista and stepfather. And i used to be one too and i did the same thing.

I am not an Athiest. I believe in a G-d just not your God. Anyways I am not trying to see a Christian trip. It amazes me the bad verses in the Bible and everytime I see one a Christians says it's a parable when it instucts killing. You might as well say the whole Bible is a parable if the bad parts are parables. Yet when Christians see killing in the Koran they say Muslims kill when those are parables also in the Koran.

I live with 3 Christians so I know all about Christians and the harsh words they put on me for not being a Christian so I get the same treatment that Christians get for not being a Christian.
 
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