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Th US was not "entirely" Protestant, but the constitution was based on Protestant principles of freedom of conscience, which the RCC completely tries to remove. There is no freedom of choice in a catholic world. May were burned at the stake just for not joining the RCC.
Is that why Catholics signed on to the Declaration of Independence? Who says there is no 'freedom of choice' in a Catholic world. What does that even mean? Nobody was burned at the stake for 'not joining' the RCC. It was the Protestants who did the Salem witch trials, on the other hand. That's documented.
From my understanding 7th Day people believe the Catholic Church is Anti-Christ so I wouldn't expect much in the way of changing what he believes about that.
Is that why Catholics signed on to the Declaration of Independence? Who says there is no 'freedom of choice' in a Catholic world. What does that even mean? Nobody was burned at the stake for 'not joining' the RCC. It was the Protestants who did the Salem witch trials, on the other hand. That's documented.
This is known as the "Doctrine of Discovery". It was laid out in a series of papal bulls during the 15th and 16th centuries. It said in essence that should a Christian discover a new land where there are no Christians then he can claim that land for hos sovereign. If the inhabitants resist conversion then he is entitled to make war and them to kill or enslave them. In a decision by the Supreme Court (1818) this doctrine was written into US law and formed the basis for the wholesale breaking of treaties and the attempted genocide of the Indians during the 19th century. Your post is largely correct except that it was not just British Christians involved.
From my understanding 7th Day people believe the Catholic Church is Anti-Christ so I wouldn't expect much in the way of changing what he believes about that.
I get that but I think for the 7th day people it is a part of their actual religious dogma, not from being abused. But that's off topic anywayNot just 7th day'rs.
Martin Luther , Charles Chiniquoy, 1000's of other priests who left it, Most all reformers for quite a while, and of course people whose families were slaughtered throughout history.....
Personally I believe there is no such thing as "THE antichrist" which most of professed Christendom are trying to guess who it is. The bible teaches that the catholic church through its hierarchy is the beast that comes up out of the sea in revelation 13. Daniel proves that the catholic church state run world will be in power until Jesus comes to take His children home with Him. Look at the reference I sent to see what the pope has in store for the world when he takes power again. It is very close to reality. ALL mainstream denominations have joined the ecumenical movement which is led by the vatican, through their misinformation specialists. To deceive the world into blindly uniting with a church with a treacherous past is quite a miracle, but it did not come from God. God has allowed satan to perform miracles in the site of men to cause them to study their bibles, but sadly to say most will not.
It is totally and pertinent background on topic,I get that but I think for the 7th day people it is a part of their actual religious dogma, not from being abused. But that's off topic anyway
Yeah, I heard that from another one of you guys before. Hard to believe all the other churches in the world got it wrong but you got it right. Kinda sounds like a cult tome but what do I know. I only follow the religion founded by Christ given to St Peter and handed down to today. Hospitals, colleges, schools, orphanages, homeless shelters, and addiction rehab centers all over the world helping millions of people. How many 7th day homeless shelters? By their fruits you will know them
That doesn't erase the atrocities of their past. The only justification I can think of is that it was a more savage world back then. I don't think they would have the order to conquer new lands in this day and age. The church no longer believes in the death penalty in just about all cases. They don't forcr people to convert any more either.
From my understanding 7th Day people believe the Catholic Church is Anti-Christ so I wouldn't expect much in the way of changing what he believes about that.
I choose to follow God's holy word
It was wrong in so many ways
for white man
to kill off himself,
to kill off native americans,
to kill off eskimos,
to kill off whatever other peoples they did. (right up to TODAY)
No one who follows God's Holy Word would do that as a manner of life,
nor support those who do nor even congratulate them.
This is a simple test of who in history(and TODAY) was truthful, and who was untruthful.
"I KILL YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS" That just doesn't sound right to me, but I guess it does to some.
If you would do the math the SDA denomination is second to the RCC in beneficent organizations. Being low man on the totem pole in regards to numbers that speaks volumes. Our little church has done more than the catholic church PER CAPITA ever could do.
I will say this the majority has never been right. 12 disciples followed Jesus out of the millions He helped while alive. You can follow the majority all you want to I choose to follow God's holy word the KJV bible. The truth is never popular.
I spent some time looking at some 7th Day information. Besides some pretty kooky stuff surrounding the year 1844. I didn't find too much that lead me to believe it was still a cult. There are millions of members, colleges, schools, and one of the best charities out there so aside from some strange dogma, I don't see anything wrong with them.
Let's see if I got this right: According to William Miller,1844 marked the beginning of a divine pre-advent judgment called "the cleansing of the sanctuary". It was described by the church's prophet and pioneer Ellen G. White 2,300 days
Now this is where it gets like Woah! What makes William Miller and Ellen White more credible then the apostles who founded the Catholic church? The same church that finalized the Biblical cannon (in other words put together the books of the Bible). The same church that brought Christianity to western Europe, who then brought Christianity to the USA where William Miller made his unguided interpretations.
All things being equal 7th Day brings people to Christ and helps people. There is nothing wrong with that. Keep doing it! Just be careful who you hold up as a prophet.
Many of the Europeans in the new world especially in South and middle America said to the natives that they were messengers from God and were heavenly people but were they?
Christianity is an ongoing act of God. Virtually all denominations have ended. By that I mean they have taken their traditional dogmas and placed them above God's word. If you go to the catholic church and tell them indulgences are a sin you would be excommunicated without question. Their traditional dogmas are so ingrained into that denomination that they will not change. That is what happened to the reformers like Huss, Luther, Wycliffe, Tyndale ETC...That goes for all mainstream denominations. In fact we need to get ahead of that curve if we are to be saved in the end. We are to look to the bible alone for salvation because there is no man that can save us.
As for William Miller, there were no seventh day adventists while he was preaching about 1844. There also were many preachers in Europe preaching the same thing as him at the same time. God did move on a people. The SDA denomination does not hide the fact that they made a very huge mistake like most other denominations which have done the same things.
The book of hebrews does mention Jesus going into the most holy place of the sanctuary, and it also mentions Jesus as our high priest. So naturally when you put two and two together you come up with logical conclusions. If Jesus is our high priest, and we know He is, and He did go into the most holy place the simple logic would be to study what the job was for the high priest in the most holy place and you will know why He went in there. The high priest went into the most holy place once per year on the day of atonement to remove all the sins that were collected their throughout the year, and to remove them by placing them on the anti-typical scapegoat (typically satan himself in the end) and sending them far from the camp, symbolizing removing them as far from the east is from the west. This is cleansing the sanctuary, and it did happen every year until Jesus came. The jews still might celebrate this but it has no meaning because the type (the lamb) has met the antitype (Jesus).
As for the canon of the bible, well inspiration from God is inspiration no matter who God gives it to, and to think that it takes someone special, or high and mighty to receive inspiration is way out. Out of all the bible characters we read about there were only 5 that were well off and or learned. Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, and Paul. Of these David, who shouldn't be on this list because he was a shepherd boy, but he was also a murderer like Moses and Paul. If they would have stood in front of judges today they would have been, well let's see, David would have gotten 15 to life for conspiracy to commit murder, Moses would have gotten life for killing a soldier, and Paul would have gotten the death penalty for mass murder. And what about the lowest of the low Gideon, or Ruth, or Ester??? Ellen white had a third grade education and wrote 150,000 pages of very heart warming books and periodicals. All it takes is to read the little book Steps to Christ to see how she loved the Lord. To bash her writings without reading any of them, I am not insinuating that you are, but many do, is just not Christian.
I joined the SDA denomination because of the forth commandment. Nobody came to my door to invite me. I tried every denomination, beginning with catholic. I was an altar boy and attended catholic schools. By the time I got to the SDA church I had a lot of questions that all the other denominations didn't even dent. Boy was I excited to find out that the bible means what it says, and all the verses that the other denominations told me to compromise or forget about. . .Well after attending SDA church for a while I was getting leary of the references to ellen white all the time, so I started reading her books and writings to find error. I critically read whatever I felt inquisitive about. I was determined to prove the SDA denomination wrong, but instead of that I was converted. The third grader ellen white shows her love for Jesus throughout her writings so well that I fell madly in love with Jesus. From that moment on I wanted to yell it from the roof tops! Ellen white said that if we studied our bibles like we should she would not have had to write the 150k pages she did. She also stated that she is the lessor light to the greater light and discouraged people from quoting her writings. I have been an SDA Christian for over 30 years and will never be ashamed of it.
You should have no reason to be ashamed. I think the 7th Day Advent Church has emerged as a legitimate congregation. What turns me off is the teaching that all other churches are basically the enemy or antichrist when you are a less than 200 year old church seems a little cult talk really EVERY church is joining with the Catholic church to destroy you? Plus it says in the Bible nobody but the Father knows when the day of judgement is coming and this church seems to think it can predict when it will happen and who will be saved. Who can presume to know this information if it was not even given to Jesus' disciples? The Remnant? I see no meekness or humility in this eschatology just presumption but acknowledging that Christ is the savior is Christian.
This may seem like a silly question or a silly topic for a post, but I have not seen anyone else ask the question, or bring up the subject, or (hopefully) start a discussion thread about it......
I feel this question, as well as this subject, is a two-edged sword, so to speak.....
On the one hand, we can claim that it was "unchristianlike" and wrong and a terrible injustice for Europeans to come over to North and South America and take all the land from the Native Americans and reduce them all to minority status......
But, on the other hand, we could claim that, had Europeans not dominated the native peoples of North and South America, nations like the U.S., Canada, Brazil and the rest would not be a great and as prosperous as they are today.....
Nor as "Christian" as they are.......
However, I am not taking sides, one way or the other, on this subject......
I am simply asking was it "unchristian" for European settlers to have taken the land away from Native Americans??
The only way to escape the judgement of the world is by faith in Christ.
My friend, I used to be on your side, myself, so better watch who you're pointing fingers at. I was, most of my life, anti-Catholic.Please do the research before commenting. Read here and you will find that only one catholic did sign the DOI. That does not prove they had any say in the building of USA. In fact the jesuits, who were banned from every country in the world at one time or another, were not even allowed into the USA at first, atleast not until lord baltimore donated the land that is now known as washington DC. The jesuits were even banned bythe pope for a time because of their treachery.
https://www.stpeterslist.com/2939/t...f-independence-8-thoughts-on-charles-carroll/
And before telling me that I am wrong please research other material besides the very biased catholic sources. Here are a couple that are very reputable which will enlighten you if you would step off the bias of catholic dogma. I use to be there myself.
http://reformation.org/wylie2.html
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/41253
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