was it an apple?

[mccar1969]

when eve ate the fruit was it really an apple ?
was it just a type?

 

[Savedbygrace777]

when eve ate the fruit was it really an apple ?
was it just a type?

The Bible never tells us it was an apple, orange, plum, or pear. It simply tells us that it was a piece of fruit. God evidently didn't think it was important enough for us to know what kind it was, or He would have told us. "So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate" (Gen. 3:6). It was fruit--simply as that; and I'm satisfied with that.

Christian regard,
Savedbygrace777

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

Nice answer, Savedbygrace777.

 

[jabechler]

Very correct the Bible does not tell, though since this tree was in the garden and the garden was removed before the flood we can be reasonably sure that that fruit does not exist on earth and we will not know what it was until we get to heaven.

 

[sojournerI]

when eve ate the fruit was it really an apple ?
was it just a type?

Jesus said that we will know people by their fruit. That's what "fruit" means. It wasn't a fruit like an orange, apple, etc. The fruit of good and evil was what eve and adam partook of.

 

[AngCath]

One thing I'd like to add is that Rabbinic tradition says it was probably a fig since that was/is a common tree for the area.

 

[sojournerI]

One thing I'd like to add is that Rabbinic tradition says it was probably a fig since that was/is a common tree for the area.

If it was a fig (apple, etc.) then why didn't the Bible say it was a fruit/fig/apple tree?
Genesis i:29 says " And God said, " See I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food".
And---
Genesis 2:9; And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil."

The tree of life and the tree of good and evil are written separately from the other trees .


Genesis 3:6; So when the woman saw that the tree was
good for food ......"

God had already established that all the fig and apple trees were good for food, " she saw that the tree was good for food"...seems like "good for food" was a secondary purpose.
" that it was pleasnat to the eyes, "
Question: why would God make anything ugly? Seems to be justifing on Eve's part.
here's the kicker: " and a tree desirable to make one wise..."
I wish just eating a regular fig or apple would make humans wise!
Okay, so if anyone disagrees ( or agrees ) with me, tell me where I've missed it.

 

[AngCath]

The type of fruit isn't that relavent in it's being the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, the important part of the story is God's command.

 

[mccar1969]

If it was a fig (apple, etc.) then why didn't the Bible say it was a fruit/fig/apple tree?
Genesis i:29 says " And God said, " See I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food".
And---
Genesis 2:9; And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil."

The tree of life and the tree of good and evil are written separately from the other trees .


Genesis 3:6; So when the woman saw that the tree was
good for food ......"

God had already established that all the fig and apple trees were good for food, " she saw that the tree was good for food"...seems like "good for food" was a secondary purpose.
" that it was pleasnat to the eyes, "
Question: why would God make anything ugly? Seems to be justifing on Eve's part.
here's the kicker: " and a tree desirable to make one wise..."
I wish just eating a regular fig or apple would make humans wise!
Okay, so if anyone disagrees ( or agrees ) with me, tell me where I've missed it.

so what are u saying the cult i came from says that eve had sex with the serpent, i find that hard to believe

 

[sojournerI]

The type of fruit isn't that relavent in it's being the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, the important part of the story is God's command.

True, the important thing is that Eve and then Adam disobeyed God's command.
However, the question was; was it an apple as a lot of Bible studies teach or was it symbolic of something else.
Since apple, figs or any other type of fruit is not mentioned, I feel it is a false teaching to teach children it is an apple.

 

[sojournerI]

so what are u saying the cult i came from says that eve had sex with the serpent, i find that hard to believe

Before you start calling a Christian group a " cult", start providing some documentation for that accusation.
Do you know what the fruit of the tree of good and evil was in the garden of Eden? If you do, share with me the book, chapter and verse. If you can't provide documentation of what the tree is or isn't then throwing out accusations that a group is a " cult" says more negative about you then the group.
How do I know you're not in a cult?

 

[AngCath]

True, the important thing is that Eve and then Adam disobeyed God's command.
However, the question was; was it an apple as a lot of Bible studies teach or was it symbolic of something else.
Since apple, figs or any other type of fruit is not mentioned, I feel it is a false teaching to teach children it is an apple.

it would be incorrect to teach children that it was an apple, but not altogether harmful.

 

[sojournerI]

it would be incorrect to teach children that it was an apple, but not altogether harmful.

I disagree!
A child hearing that a good and loving God would place a fruit tree ( apple, figs ) in the garden where Adam and Eve could easily see it and say they couldn't eat of it after God had given them all the fruit trees to eat of, sounds unreasonable and power hungry.
No, that's not how it went down. The tree of good and evil was not from fruit that he had given them: ( read my quotes from the Bible on a previous response.)
I and everyone else that has a working brain would see that as unfair. God is fair, God is good and God is just.
God makes rules to protect his children and making God sound like an unfair power crazy *god* does the reader a big disservice.

 

[mccar1969]

Before you start calling a Christian group a " cult", start providing some documentation for that accusation.
Do you know what the fruit of the tree of good and evil was in the garden of Eden? If you do, share with me the book, chapter and verse. If you can't provide documentation of what the tree is or isn't then throwing out accusations that a group is a " cult" says more negative about you then the group.
How do I know you're not in a cult?

i was born into this cult been in it for 17 yrs , 25 yr , i should know their beliefs....... Now i am out of it , and i am not into anything only Christ..... i will look into your questions and get back to you, i am at work at the moment (

 

[mccar1969]

Before you start calling a Christian group a " cult", start providing some documentation for that accusation.
Do you know what the fruit of the tree of good and evil was in the garden of Eden? If you do, share with me the book, chapter and verse. If you can't provide documentation of what the tree is or isn't then throwing out accusations that a group is a " cult" says more negative about you then the group.
How do I know you're not in a cult?

have a look at this maybe u will see and understand
http://www.watchman.org/profile/branpro.htm

 

[Sammael]

If you read the Apocrypha it states that it was a fig.

I agree with the others though, what the fruit was is not of much signifigance when compared to what it represented.

 

[mccar1969]

have a look at this maybe u will see and understand
http://www.watchman.org/profile/branpro.htm

the fruit of the tree was death, the religion i came out of said that the fruit was sex they found that in genesis 4:1 also geneologies of ADAM TO NOAH it was found that cain adams first born , it omits cain and says that seth was the first line of adam, Why? they say because cain was of his father the devil says that in Luke

 

[sojournerI]

have a look at this maybe u will see and understand

Okay, I couldn't post this answer with your link; rules of the powers that be. ( I don't have enough posts )
I went to the link and I'll have to try later when I have more time; the website wouldn't click to the explaination of who the watchman group or person was.
If you say you were in some type of Jim Jones group, I beleive you. Glad you're out.
Beleive whatever you want, but you can't prove what the tree of good and evil is (or isn't) and apparently no one else that has written here can.
It is plausable that the tree of good and evil was about Eve being wholly seduced.
It is written that Jesus said of some that their father was the devil, not Abraham.
If you need me to look it up for you I will. I use to think that Jesus was speaking figuratively but since it wasn't
a parable then it is just as plausable that he meant it literally.
If someone can prove me wrong-go for it; I'm listening.
Also, you are right, Cain was not in Adam's genealogy.
Don't you find that odd?
I can understand your feeling though with the other stuff your ex-leader taught. Of course sons of Cain can be saved as Jesus said " whom so ever" and he came to save the lost.
Another thing I don't beleive in is the rapture and you are right not to beleive it. It says in the Bible that the evil one will come first not Jesus.
I'm going to that website when I have more time and look it over;( the link you provided) I'm afraid though, it's filled with hate so I won't linger too long.

 

[relspace]

have a look at this maybe u will see and understand
http://www.watchman.org/profile/branpro.htm

I certainly understand. I was a member of Moon's church for about fifteen years and my wife is still a member. Moon also had this same belief about the fruit representing sex, and that is a belief which I still think is true. I found out here in this forum, however, that this idea has much older and more respectable origins in the Eastern Orthodox church.

I certainly respect your choice to change your mind on this issue to the belief that it was a real fruit. But I thought that I should point out that this is not an essential of Christian doctrine so it is not an issue which decides whether one is a Christian or not.

I think that the word cult applies to any new religion, for when it is small and without firmly established traditions there is always a great danger of all kinds of excesses. So I left Moon's cult to join "the cult of the Nazarene" (Christianity) as it was refered to by historians of the first couple of centuries. However, by my definition, Christianity is certainly no longer a cult, and even Moon's church has been around a while and is big enough to have already made a few mistakes and learn from them. For my part, except for their annoying (and very cult like) tendency to keep changing their name, I think Moon's church shows every sign of graduating from the cult phase and maturing into a religion that is here to stay. I simply do not think that they are Christian. They are a syncretistic religion like the Bahai and Hari Krishna, Mormon and Jehova Witnesses that have taken a lot of their ideas and beliefs from Christianity and the Bible in addition to other sources.

 

[sojournerI]

I certainly understand. I was a member of Moon's church for about fifteen years and my wife is still a member. Moon also had this same belief about the fruit representing sex, and that is a belief which I still think is true. I found out here in this forum, however, that this idea has much older and more respectable origins in the Eastern Orthodox church.

I certainly respect your choice to change your mind on this issue to the belief that it was a real fruit. But I thought that I should point out that this is not an essential of Christian doctrine so it is not an issue which decides whether one is a Christian or not.

I think that the word cult applies to any new religion, for when it is small and without firmly established traditions there is always a great danger of all kinds of excesses. So I left Moon's cult to join "the cult of the Nazarene" (Christianity) as it was refered to by historians of the first couple of centuries. However, by my definition, Christianity is certainly no longer a cult, and even Moon's church has been around a while and is big enough to have already made a few mistakes and learn from them. For my part, except for their annoying (and very cult like) tendency to keep changing their name, I think Moon's church shows every sign of graduating from the cult phase and maturing into a religion that is here to stay. I simply do not think that they are Christian. They are a syncretistic religion like the Bahai and Hari Krishna, Mormon and Jehova Witnesses that have taken a lot of their ideas and beliefs from Christianity and the Bible in addition to other sources.

Okay if I jump in here?
Ditto on what you said.
I'd like to add; did you check out that website?
I spent a few minutes on it and I got the impression that there was a whole lot of judging going on-the author had it from A to Z .
And if you bought his book you'd even learn more.
My Bible says judging others is risky business, discerning yes, but trashing others; no. Especially when lies are printed about one pastor in there that I listen to.
And being burned by false teachers makes one pretty discerning fast at least in my case. I am very careful and skeptical.