Was Hilter a Christian or not?

arunma · Mar 13, 2006

JGL53 said:
And the Apostle would have been wasting his time since no Hindu believes any of the myriad of gods they believe exist off them any "salvation". Hindus believe that all came from the Brahman, the Divine Self, and all will return after many reincarnations.

Are you familiar with the Hindu concept of "moksha?" The Sri Satyanarayana story which many Hindus read once a month refers to it, and it is usually accompanied by the word "salvation" in parentheses. How would you explain this in the context of what you've just said?

JGL53 said:
In christian terms, Hindus see god as all and all as god, with no ultimate separation of distinction equivalent to the man/god distinction of christianity.

That isn't true of all Hindus. But even if it were, I don't see how this affects the point that I've made.

JGL53 said:
Of course it is. When I point out that there is no real evidence that christianity should be taken as literally true, I don't think I am being unloving - I am just trying to help my fellow humans out.

Then surely you can't fault Christians for doing evangelism.

yaqovzadeek · Mar 13, 2006

whitestar said:
I am not being political correct...in fact I detest the whole idea...it just seemed to me that out of the blue you are suddenly attacking another faith...I did not see any connection to what you were doing related to this thread...that was my point.

I have no arguement with what you are saying...but you seem to be missing the point here. This topic is not about the muslims...I honestly do not see how you have made the leap from Hilter to the muslims faith! To me everyone was staying on topic just find then out of the blue you start denouncing the muslim faith! I am sorry you cannot see what I am talking about here. It seems to me if you are so concerned about sharing the truth of their faith you would simply start your own thread with something in the title to get their attention...at least that is what I would do. Jesus also says that those that are unwilling to hear the Good News...we should shake the dust off our feet and leave...meaning don't hound them. And still I do not see Jesus going out of His way to point out other faiths and what is wrong with them.

Instead He simply spoke the truth. So why don't you? Just post scriptures from our bible? What would be wrong with that? Isn't our main goal to save souls? Not chase them off? I have found that by attacking a person's faith, it causes them to dig their heels in ever deeper and argue rather then be willing to listen to what you have to say. Jesus befriends the lost...remember? He didn't preach to them like you are...He ate dinner with them...became friends with them. He gave them the truth of God and they listened. He didn't sit down and go over all the things wrong with their beliefs. With your approach how many souls have you lead to God so that the Holy Spirit may work in them? Or how many have just simply closed their hearts to you and God because of your approach?

My friend many cannot fathom the truth and rather than explain it as the OP requests they turn the tables on Islam.I have request evidence of comparing Islam to mein Kampf but they cannot bring it rather they prefer to just use thread to slander Islam.And the modeartors have no problems with it neither. Is the Issue of Hitler's chritianiaty too hot that people have to drift away from the issue.i said in my first answer to the OP that Christians try their utmost to Dissociate Christianity with hitler and his gruesome acts.Even if their were a world of evidence put in front of them they are more thjan happy to create some sort of fictitious link between Hitler and islam.Just as they have tried to link Saddam with Bin laden.
JOKERS!
Let us stick to the OP, why not is the truth to hot and gruesome to handle.Hitler was a christian, and the church was with him all the way to the bank
Peace
yaqovzadeek
aka James the Just

yaqovzadeek · Mar 13, 2006

whitestar said:
The point is though we can pick out people AS bad as Hilter from every faith, even from atheistism! So what? Should we name all the evil people in history from all sorts of faiths to see which one is the worst? What excatly would that prove? Many of the worst ones in history had no beliefs at all...so we could argue that faith of some kind does cause people to restain themselves in fact...

Well what gets me is those who Blame the whole religion of Islam for the actions of a few but do everything possible to defend Christianityfrom the likes of Hitler.
Double standards.
Peace
Yaqovzadeek
aka James the Just

Diamonds2004 · Mar 13, 2006

It's pretty obvious to lots of people that no matter what Hitler said, he was a true killer, a blood-thristy killer. He got the justice coming to him full. He was his own worst enemy. He committed suicide.

Hitler's words are worth very little because of what he did.

JGL53 · Mar 13, 2006

arunma said:
Are you familiar with the Hindu concept of "moksha?" The Sri Satyanarayana story which many Hindus read once a month refers to it, and it is usually accompanied by the word "salvation" in parentheses. How would you explain this in the context of what you've just said?...

Uh, christians believe in the need to be "saved" from 1. eternal separation from god and/or 2. an eternal and everlasting hell. There is no equivalent idea in Vedanta (the Hindu religion). I perceive this as a BIG difference - advantage Hindus.

arunma said:
...Then surely you can't fault Christians for doing evangelism...

Anymore that I can "fault" Scientologists from promoting their religion. Just because a particular religion seems as wrong-headed as wrong-headed can be to many people doesn't mean its followers should not be allowed the same freedom of speech all should have in a free society.

YahwehisHisname · Mar 14, 2006

whitestar said:
I am not being political correct...in fact I detest the whole idea...

good

it just seemed to me that out of the blue you are suddenly attacking another faith...I did not see any connection to what you were doing related to this thread...that was my point.

Islam's scriptures are identical to Nazisms Mein Kampf. This is the most important topic of our time and not only was it being missed, the antithesis was being pushed. That being that Hitler was a Christian. Not only was he NOT a Christian, he implemented a dogma exactly like Islam's so attention was brought to it. Actually, I think someone else has read both and made the comparison before I was able. Islam and Hitler have a lot in common and they belong together in a topic. Please research it.

I have no arguement with what you are saying...but you seem to be missing the point here. This topic is not about the muslims...I honestly do not see how you have made the leap from Hilter to the muslims faith!

That's because you do not know Islam, and you may not have read Mein Kampf. I will give you a 75 page comparison of the two that will blow your mind, if you are willing. It will lay down one right next to the other so you will see that they are identical other than time and place. Let me know.

Jesus also says that those that are unwilling to hear the Good News...we should shake the dust off our feet and leave...meaning don't hound them.

You are correct. Indeed there is a difference between shining a light of truth on deception and "hounding". I will keep that in mind. Thanks for reminding me.

Instead He simply spoke the truth. So why don't you?

Truth is my main goal. Truth is never popular and I come across rough sometimes because I am not blessed with the gift of "gab", so that makes a bad combo sometimes. Yahshua could do many things I am unable and finding the right words is just one of them. Yes, I wish I were more like Him.
Just post scriptures from our bible? What would be wrong with that? Isn't our main goal to save souls? Not chase them off? I have found that by attacking a person's faith, it causes them to dig their heels in ever deeper and argue rather then be willing to listen to what you have to say.

Yeah, me too. Truly sad, and it explains why our creator hates religion.

Jesus befriends the lost...remember? He didn't preach to them like you are...He ate dinner with them...became friends with them. He gave them the truth of God and they listened. He didn't sit down and go over all the things wrong with their beliefs. With your approach how many souls have you lead to God so that the Holy Spirit may work in them?

Maybe 3, I think. One was a Muslim and that is something I am fond of.

Or how many have just simply closed their hearts to you and God because of your approach?

Many

Now let me ask you this. If your daughter or neighbor or best friend was following a false religion and worshiping a sponge bob doll, is it best to let them be, and dwell in ignorance thinking their way is correct? Or is it more compassionate to expose the truth to them?

Thanks for caring

jleslie48 · Mar 14, 2006

HageeFan said:
If you compare the Mein Kampf to the Qur'an, you'll discover they're nearly identical.

Some examples of quoted text would go a long way to lend some credibilty to this otherwise seemingly ridiculous statement. At this juncture, you have zero credibilty, and speaking frankly, appear to be a few french fries short of a happy meal.

Making a statement like this without examples reduces you to a crackpot.

Skillganon · Mar 14, 2006

To christian out their I do not care if Hitler was christian or not!
He obviously did not follow the teaching of Jesus, or anthing he said, or any message God thought to mankind through his messengers.
He seem to be driven by hate, like some member's here are.

So peace.

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 14, 2006

If you compare the Mein Kampf to the Qur'an, you'll discover they're nearly identical. Islam's scriptures are identical to Nazisms Mein Kampf. This is the most important topic of our time and not only was it being missed, the antithesis was being pushed. That being that Hitler was a Christian. Not only was he NOT a Christian, he implemented a dogma exactly like Islam's so attention was brought to it. Actually, I think someone else has read both and made the comparison before I was able. Islam and Hitler have a lot in common and they belong together in a topic. Please research it.

Some examples of quoted text would go a long way to lend some credibilty to this otherwise seemingly ridiculous statement. At this juncture, you have zero credibilty, and speaking frankly, appear to be a few french fries short of a happy meal.

I never read Mein Kampf so I have no idea what that guy was talking about.

YahwehisHisname · Mar 14, 2006

This link will help( if people read it).

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 14, 2006

I believe that Adolf Hitler was influenced by Islam and inspired by the same spirit that possessed der prophet.

That "Spirit" seems to have popped up since mankind was created. Here are 3 froglike spirits going out to do some damage for example: [you can tell I enjoy the book of revelation]

Reve 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [coming] out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, [which] go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Skillganon · Mar 14, 2006

I think Hitler is a true follower of Paul (Saul).

He liked persecuting Jew's like paul did with the follower of Jesus.
He was only following the life of paul, only he did not reach the part where he get's inflicted on his Journey.
Hitler like paul shook hand with other christian, supported them, e.t.c

He was indeed a true follower of Saint Saul (named changed to paul).

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 14, 2006

Skillganon said:
I think Hitler is a true follower of Paul (Saul).

He liked persecuting Jew's like paul did with the follower of Jesus.
He was only following the life of paul, only he did not reach the part where he get's inflicted on his Journey.
Hitler like paul shook hand with other christian, supported them, e.t.c

He was indeed a true follower of Saint Saul (named changed to paul).

LOL. That is about as ridiculous as the guy who said Hitler had the spirit of Islam. The jews were persecuting Paul. Why not leave our dear brother and Apostle Paul out of it if you don't understand what you read.

Btw, did you notice where Paul says the Wrath of God was coming on them? Have you noticed a jewish Temple of God around lately?

1 thess 2:14 For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judea in Christ Jesus. For you also suffered the same things from your own countrymen, just as they [did] from the Judeans, 15 who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have Persecuted Us; and they do not please God and are contrary to all men, 16 forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved, so as always to fill up [the measure of] their sins; but the Wrath has come upon them to the uttermost.

Luke 21:22 "For these are the Days of Vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and Wrath upon This People.

elijah115 · Mar 14, 2006

Where does Paul, a Jew himself, advocate killing jews?

Skillganon · Mar 14, 2006

LittleLambofJesus said:
LOL. That is about as ridiculous as the guy who said Hitler had the spirit of Islam. The jews were persecuting Paul. Why not leave our dear brother and Apostle Paul out of it if you don't understand what you read.

Btw, did you notice where Paul says the Wrath of God was coming on them? Have you noticed a jewish Temple of God around lately?

I am Glad you think that. LOL

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 14, 2006

I think Hitler is a true follower of Paul (Saul).

He liked persecuting Jew's like paul did with the follower of Jesus.
He was only following the life of paul, only he did not reach the part where he get's inflicted on his Journey.
Hitler like paul shook hand with other christian, supported them, e.t.c

He was indeed a true follower of Saint Saul (named changed to paul).

LOL. That is about as ridiculous as the guy who said Hitler had the spirit of Islam. The jews were persecuting Paul. Why not leave our dear brother and Apostle Paul out of it if you don't understand what you read.

Skillganon said:
I am Glad you think that. LOL

Oh. What about this other Part since you brought up my Bro Paul. Are you atheist and are you always this "spitefull"?

Btw, did you notice where Paul says the Wrath of God was coming on them? Have you noticed a jewish Temple of God around lately?

1 thess 2:14 For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judea in Christ Jesus. For you also suffered the same things from your own countrymen, just as they [did] from the Judeans, 15 who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have Persecuted Us; and they do not please God and are contrary to all men, 16 forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved, so as always to fill up [the measure of] their sins; but the Wrath has come upon them to the uttermost.

Luke 21:22 "For these are the Days of Vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and Wrath upon This People.

Skillganon · Mar 14, 2006

LittleLambofJesus said:
Oh. What about this other Part since you brought up my Bro Paul. Are you atheist and are you always this "spitefull"?

Btw, did you notice where Paul says the Wrath of God was coming on them? Have you noticed a jewish Temple of God around lately?

1 thess 2:14 For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judea in Christ Jesus. For you also suffered the same things from your own countrymen, just as they [did] from the Judeans, 15 who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have Persecuted Us; and they do not please God and are contrary to all men, 16 forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved, so as always to fill up [the measure of] their sins; but the Wrath has come upon them to the uttermost.

Luke 21:22 "For these are the Days of Vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and Wrath upon This People.

Sorry I Apologise. You did not understand me!
I was Just making a point, not actually I believe it.

It is funny to think that Hitler was inspired by paul.
I do not care who he was inspired.
He was inspired by he's own hatred. He was an evil man, and non-can be blamed for his action but himself.

whitestar · Mar 14, 2006

yaqovzadeek said:
My friend many cannot fathom the truth and rather than explain it as the OP requests they turn the tables on Islam.

I am the OP of this thread, and I want you to know that I didn't direct this thread to be an attack on the muslim faith...it was totally unexpected! Never would I have thought that a discussion on Hitler and his faith would go clear over to this! I think the connection is a HUGE LONG stretch...
And I am sorry that this happened...if other Christians want to think I am 'being torlant' of another faith...I want them to note this...I am being caring to another HUMAN BEING. Just as Jesus commanded us to be. To love our neighbor. So I am. I want to show respect to yaqovzadeek simply because he is a human being...

I have request evidence of comparing Islam to mein Kampf but they cannot bring it rather they prefer to just use thread to slander Islam.And the modeartors have no problems with it neither. Is the Issue of Hitler's chritianiaty too hot that people have to drift away from the issue.i said in my first answer to the OP that Christians try their utmost to Dissociate Christianity with hitler and his gruesome acts.Even if their were a world of evidence put in front of them they are more thjan happy to create some sort of fictitious link between Hitler and islam.Just as they have tried to link Saddam with Bin laden.
JOKERS!
Let us stick to the OP, why not is the truth to hot and gruesome to handle.Hitler was a christian, and the church was with him all the way to the bank
Peace
yaqovzadeek
aka James the Just

What honestly appalls me (because I do not see Hitler as a Christian in any shape or forum, is that there were MANY Christians that knew what he was doing during this time and did nothing! I think our focus should be on them. There was the Catholic church that stood by and did nothing...the protestant church..the Lutherans I believe, also stood by and did nothing. Now I KNOW there had to be some true blue Christians in there and they did nothing. That is like one of us standing on the sidewalk watching a bully beating someone to death and doing nothing about it. Its sickening they did nothing

arunma · Mar 14, 2006

whitestar said:
What honestly appalls me (because I do not see Hitler as a Christian in any shape or forum, is that there were MANY Christians that knew what he was doing during this time and did nothing! I think our focus should be on them. There was the Catholic church that stood by and did nothing...the protestant church..the Lutherans I believe, also stood by and did nothing. Now I KNOW there had to be some true blue Christians in there and they did nothing. That is like one of us standing on the sidewalk watching a bully beating someone to death and doing nothing about it. Its sickening they did nothing

You may be interested in learning about the German Christian Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Bonhoeffer defended Jews against Nazi oppression and violence. In fact, he was executed for conspiring to rescue Jews, and for keeping his seminary students out of the Nazi military. What makes Bonhoeffer so unique is that he did not make theological compromises with Judaism. He believed in the Biblical position that the church is Israel, to the exclusion of non-Christian Jews. Therefore, he did not believe Judaism to be a true religion, and he did not accept such liberal doctrines as the belief that Jews can be saved apart from faith in Jesus Christ.

I think that Bonhoeffer's position is a model for all Christians to take in Jewish-Christian relations. We ought to defend even to the death the rights and safety of Jews, but we ought not to ever confess that they are exempt from the wrath of God, except by faith in Christ Jesus.

whitestar · Mar 14, 2006

arunma said:
But Jesus never spoke about other religions because his ministry was limited to Jews. The Apostles did preach to people of other religions, and they denied the existence of their gods. Paul said to the Athenians:
The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man, nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything.(Acts 17:24-25)

Surely if the Apostle ever encountered a Hindu, he would teach him that his gods are false, and are not capable of reproducing the salvation of the Lord Jesus. It is possible to say that other religions are false without being unloving.

I never said we couldn't and no be loving but many Christians think they have the right just attack other faiths...especially attack people just because of their faith. If you study closely how Paul went about it, he didn't put then on the defense so we tend to do. Everything is in how its handled. We can speak to others of other faiths with respect and love and it doesn't mean we are accepting their beliefs.

You may be interested in learning about the German Christian Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Bonhoeffer defended Jews against Nazi oppression and violence. In fact, he was executed for conspiring to rescue Jews, and for keeping his seminary students out of the Nazi military. What makes Bonhoeffer so unique is that he did not make theological compromises with Judaism. He believed in the Biblical position that the church is Israel, to the exclusion of non-Christian Jews. Therefore, he did not believe Judaism to be a true religion, and he did not accept such liberal doctrines as the belief that Jews can be saved apart from faith in Jesus Christ.

I think that Bonhoeffer's position is a model for all Christians to take in Jewish-Christian relations. We ought to defend even to the death the rights and safety of Jews, but we ought not to ever confess that they are exempt from the wrath of God, except by faith in Christ Jesus.

Oh yes, I know there were many Christians (and probably people of other faiths) that risked their lives to help the Jews... And many did die for their efforts.

John 15:13
Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down ones life for his friends.

Thanks for reminding me though.

God bless

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