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Good ... it was meant to.
For your information though, I just turned 63.
And when I looked up your age, all I saw was that you are retired, so I assumed you were at least that age; and since I'm in the same boat as you on the age scale, I thought the remark was appropriate.
But evidently not.
Thus, offensive post deleted.
Aw! I'm getting a warm fuzzy.
Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
I don't know what that has to do with my post or indeed the topic of the thread.
Perhaps I misunderstood the intentions. My apologies. I am presently having difficulties with my Asthma and am not feeling too well.
.... is because the rephaim, anakim, enim and Nephilim survived after the flood, or rather, continued their angle-human hybrid abominations.
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Jude 1:6 ►
New International Version
And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling--these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.
Matt 14:
…37As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. 39And they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept them all away. So will be the coming of the Son of Man.…
The difficulty I have with this concept is that the Flood was specifically designed to eradicate the situation where mankind was contaminated via angelic tampering.
In order for me to accept the scenario of Nephilim once more running rampant after the Flood would be to imagine God permitting of contaminated humans surviving which makes no sense.
Or else not having set limits to that type of angelic interference after the flood and therefore making the Flood event totally unnecessary and useless.
Furthermore, the angels who disobeyed in that manner are described as being restricted after the Flood.
So I would also have to ignore that scripture in order to imagine resurgence of the identical pre-flood situation.
True, Jesus did say that the least days would be similar to the days of Noah. But he specifically specified what he meant by referring to the uncaring unaware attitude which preflood mankind had before the disaster descended on them.
That is right, and it did it's job.
But, Azazel and his 200 who rebelled were simply one class of rebelling angel. There are powers, principalities, and archons that also rebelled against God. I think I mentioned it here, but archons and principalities tried to make life in their own image, but failed. So, they used human vessels to bring their images to life - kind of how the "facegrabbers" need a human host to incubate and birth an actual xenomorph. They did not have the breath of life to produce life directly, so they used human's inherent ability to bear children, and the power potential of a "child of God." If you recall the "Annunaki" story, it is very similar to what the principalities and archons tried to do. It is also referenced and alluded to in the Alien movie - especially prometheus and covenant. That, life was seeded, and the Annunaki made us from clay pots to mine world for gold.
Well, lets start with the fact that it is written that there were definitively giants after the flood - so it happened, and its purpose was to destdoy the abominations. I don't even remember the apocryphal saying the physical vessels of the hybrids survived. The confusion may come from lack of information and attention on the enemies in different dimensions. When the Nephilim, Rephaim, Enim and/or Anakim die, they become restless spirits that wander the earth seeking a vessel to inhabit. Dead nephiyl are demons; the spirit of those abominations are directly from their angelic fathers. So, they were physically gone.
But, we are at war; other angels, powers, principalities and archons rebelled, and tried to make life in their own image. It became nearly impossible to do it through regular Intercourse because God DID put in restrictions.
Him allowing this is a testament to our disobedience. We should know better, but even after the world ended we continued in abominable sin like nothing ever happened.
If we keep welcoming these principalities, archons and powers into our lives, why wouldnt they? Recall in the spirit your intent is enouth to condemn you; the hosts may have saw what the watchers did, but they figured they could do a better job. (Ironically, the Wisdom of God in the apocrypha scoffed at their attempt to make life in their image.) The fact that these entities can actually assault us is because we give them permission to do so, or provide a loophole for them through sin. God and His holy ones are gentlemen; demons are not. Demons will invade. And, we have allowed them to do this to us because we qualify sin to make us feel better, failing to recognize any sin opens us up to oppression and possession even.
The lot that did Genesis 6: Part II participated in genetic manipulation and transhumanism, taking halfling remnant genetics and manipulating them (besides the humans that naturally introduced the manipulation through Intercourse and procreation.) "Ritual Magic," instead of direct intercourse, became the way to bring about their plans.
You know God; He will let you completely embarrass and deplete your sinful self to completion, while using it to better those He loves. The watchers are in chains to this day. And, so is any other angel that has tried to procreate with man.
Right now the name of the game isn't direct procreation through Intercourse, it is genetic manipulations. The stories of grey aliens read exactly like demons extracting human DNA to create genetic abominations. Aliens being aliens is part of the great deception. They are interdimensional EBEs.
They are in chains. But, more angels and powers tried it - as well as possible remnants left in one of the wives of Noah. Azazel and the 200 did Genesis 6. Powers and principalities can operate remotely and control their own demons, or angelic spirits. There is a hierarchy.
I would say you should look deeper in it. The canon clearly states that there were nephiyl in those days and also afterward. But, the canon is silent on the how.
That should compel one to dig deeper. In the apocryphal library, it is explained in tremendous detail what happened, why it happened, how it happened, and how they survived/were around afterward. The church has removed these books throughout the years arguing that they are heretical. It is a shame, because everyone is responsible for his or her own soul - not an earthly, religious hierarchy.
Also, it was not the exact same situation. Antediluvian hosts that fell relied on intercourse. Postdiluvian hosts relied on genetic manipulation, and blood magics (which, would be called applied medicine today.)
That is how it started in the days of Enoch, Lamech and eventually Noah. There was no switch flipped, and all of a sudden everyone was uncaring. The nephiyl were violent, and ate men. The hybrids made witches and sorcerers of the people by giving them sacred knowledge in exchange for a portion of their soul - sealed by a sexual or blood sacrifice. And, this activity gradually permeated all of humanity unt humans were more abomination than human, genetically.
And, these angels did not just genetically manipulate humans: they did it to birds, felines, canines, and other animals.
This is a spotted issue in general because it is something the canon is mute on, the apocryphal thoroughly details it (but is ignored/shunned by most all Christians,) and the topic is usually rejected violently should one want to speak about it.
So, most of us will not, and cannot win, because we do not know who our enemy is, what they are capable of, and how they behave - we barely agree that our enemy exists in the first place.
There are plenty omissions and alleged contradictions in the canon. But, even the mistakes are divinely precise in their ability to compel the reader to seek out the truth. Errors, mistranslations, and even purposeful omissions set up a perfect situation for the believer to not only dig deeper to find the truth, but to also recognize the assault on truth itself.
Another important thing to remember is God has not killed/destroyed anything yet. No angel, no souls.
That is right, and it did it's job.
But, Azazel and his 200 who rebelled were simply one class of rebelling angel. There are powers, principalities, and archons that also rebelled against God. I think I mentioned it here, but archons and principalities tried to make life in their own image, but failed. So, they used human vessels to bring their images to life - kind of how the "facegrabbers" need a human host to incubate and birth an actual xenomorph. They did not have the breath of life to produce life directly, so they used human's inherent ability to bear children, and the power potential of a "child of God." If you recall the "Annunaki" story, it is very similar to what the principalities and archons tried to do. It is also referenced and alluded to in the Alien movie - especially prometheus and covenant. That, life was seeded, and the Annunaki made us from clay pots to mine world for gold.
Well, lets start with the fact that it is written that there were definitively giants after the flood - so it happened, and its purpose was to destroy the abominations. I don't even remember the apocryphal saying the physical vessels of the hybrids survived. The confusion may come from lack of information and attention on the enemies in different dimensions. When the Nephilim, Rephaim, Enim and/or Anakim die, they become restless spirits that wander the earth seeking a vessel to inhabit. Dead nephiyl are demons; the spirit of those abominations are directly from their angelic fathers. So, they were physically gone.
Most people who read the Bible don't consider Goliath, the unusually tall man that David killed as a man who was suffering from any illness. However, some have conjectured that he was actually stricken by acromegaly, a condition involving a brain tumor on the pituitary gland which provokes an excess production of growth hormone. I recently suggested this possibility on another discussion after having provided a links to a list of unusually tall people, some of whom had reached 8 feet 8 inches in height and was told that such a thing in reference to Goliath is far more unlikely than the possibility of abiogenesis. That struck me as rather strange. What is your opinion?
The following article examines the pros and cons in this interpretation.
Slaying a biblically bad idea
What's the obvious explanation?Personally, I'ld just go for the obvious explanation and classify the story on the same shelve as the 12 works of Hercules.
What's the obvious explanation?
First, thanks for taking out the time to write a detailed response and thanks to everyone else as well for participating in this discussion:
Statement:
Response: The problem is that the concepts expressed demonstrate that he was ether ridiculously incompetent or maliciously inclined. For example, is it doing a good job to allow a fertile Nephilim-contaminated female on board the Ark?
That is similar to saying that a scientist attempted to eradicate a cancerous tumor via surgery and then made certain that cancer would take hold of the patient once more in some roundabout manner after the surgery via leaving some of the cancerous tumor intact.
He’d have his license revoked either for incompetence or criminal malicious intent. In fact, if he caused he would be charged with either manslaughter if unintentional or attempted murder if malicious intent is suspected. Avoiding the full brunt of the consequences would necessitate a plea of innocent due to insanity and proving insanity beyond all reasonable doubt.
BTW
Here is an article which providing more biblical reasons why that concept of a genetically contaminated wife of one of Noah’s sons cannot be accepted .
Would God Really Allow Nephilim Genes On The Ark?
Statement:
Response:
Once more the scenario involves a supposedly almighty omniscient entity who cleanses the Earth of evil angelic interference on a genetic level and then calmly sits back and allows them to find clever loopholes around his preventive measures.
It conveys the image of a supernatural willing participant in a sadistic chess game in which we humans are the hapless chess pieces and in which he feigns to pose insurmountable obstacles to the opponent while cunningly leaving clear opportunities to solve them with his smiling approval and infinite amusement..
Statement:
Response:
Please note that I have read many of the apocryphal books and each time I do I find clear contradictions to the accepted books which were included in the Bible. The Book of Jasher, for example doesn’t mention that women were approached by rebel angels but simply by human men.
The Bible’s purpose is to provide an explanation of how mankind came to be in a fallen condition, the way out of that condition via the Ransom sacrifice of Christ. So the meticulous focus on fine details of rebel angel schemes isn’t really necessary in order to transmit that crucial lifesaving information.
In fact, the inclusion of minute details will only serve to give unnecessary importance to these malicious entities by describing them as much more clever and much more dangerous to Christians than they really are. After all, if they can disregard God's efforts s easily, then one can only imagine the havoc they can do to humans. It makes god out to be a watcher who makes token efforts and the sits back to see how the opposition will overcome them to his amusement.
This goes completely contrary to what the Bible tells us about his concern for mankind’s welfare and makes God appear as being in cahoots with Satan and his demons to do damage to mankind. It cunningly dovetails very nicely with the first lie that Satan uttered in Eden-that God is insincere, that God is a liar not to be trusted and that based on that he is not fit to rule.
In short, these books you are quoting seen to have a sinister source.
BTW
One of apocryphal source has Jesus even marrying Mary Magdalene. Another has the Apostles being envious of her close spiritual relationship with Jesus.
Another, the Gospel of Bartholomew the author comes across as very egocentrically inclined and its whole rambling self-centered tone is out of kilter with how the Gospel is expressed by other Apostles.
Then there is an alternate Revelation which describes the meticulous incessant and indecent agonies that this entity has assigned humans to experience in a torture chamber he created for that specific purpose called hell.
So the reader walks away with the uneasy feeling that God’s claim to care for us is really a lie and that if indeed mankind has something to fear from the supernatural, then it better include him as well as an enemy.
That is clearly Satanic propaganda.
So I guess we disagree.
Myth, legend, exaggeration,...
Which are you proposing? In historical vernacular those words have different meanings.
Any of the three I mentioned is extremely more likely / plausible then "literally true and accurate".
Why?
Because they require less baseless assumptions.
Well, I would say all assumptions are baseless ... that's why they're called assumptions. But, on what principle is the strength of a claim dependent upon the number of assumptions made? I've never seen a debate where people count up assumptions and declare the person with the fewest to be the winner. More often it seems predictive power, correlation, and confidence level are the criteria.
Still, if that's your approach, how many assumptions are people making in claiming David and Goliath are historical vs. assumptions of myth, legend, and exaggeration?
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