Was God's Kingdom already established in 70 AD ? - Preterism views

yeshuasavedme said:

Now, if you'll read the Bible on the history of the dispersion of the Jews you'll see that never in the history of that people have every 'grain" of them been gathered back to the nation of Israel, with not one of them remaining in the Gentile nations. they have never all returned, as promised.


Look, HiddenManna -not one grain of them will be left that has been sifted among all the Gentiles when He sends His angels to gather them back after the great tribulation:
Amos 9:9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as [corn] is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

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Not Biblical Israel
Are the Jews that live in Israel today the same as the Jews of the Bible?
“Have you heard the news reports? Jews are returning to Israel. This is one of the predicted signs that Jesus is coming soon!” Not really. The Jews in Israel today are not the biblical Jews in our bible by any stretch of the imagination. That is certainly no argument. There is no Jewish Race today, let alone this being a sign that we are near the end of the Church age, Here is a quote from Encyclopedia Brittanica (1973), vol. 12, page 1054, were it actually states. The finding of physical anthropology show that, contrary to the popular view, there is on Jewish race.
Anthropometric measurement of Jewish groups in many parts of the world indicate that they differ greatly from one another with respect to all the important physical characteristics.

The reason behind this, of course is mixed bloodlines through the mixed marriages bringing about the most mixed racial origins of these people today. On top of that, the majority of so-called Jews in the world today are not Jews at all. (Even with the mixed blood), because their ancestry is that of the Khazars whose ancestors go far back to the turks and Huns, and who as a nation in A.D. 740 adopted the Jewish religion and became known as Jews.

Just as a side note here, let me say that those premillennialists today who hold to the viewpoint that so-called Israel’s being set up as a nation in Palestine is Biblical fulfillment are doing so contrary to the fact surrounding the evidence in historical documentation. Even if someone really wonted to proof he was a biblical Jew from the blood line of Abraham he could not because all the records and genealogy were destroyed in A.D. 70

Evangelist John L Bray who has spent many years around the world in many libraries gives us further historical documentation on this. He states in his book Matthew 24 Fulfilled page 210:

The prediction of judgment upon Israel was for THAT generation. That generation of opposed of Christ had said, “His blood be on us, and on our children” (Matthew 27:25). And it was. That judgment came about in A.D. 67-70, and the nation was decimated. Some say that the Jews today are guilty of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. This is not true any more that are Gentiles who reject Him now. The nation that was officially guilty of the death of Christ received its judgment. God’s judgment is not upon Jews today because of what others did many years ago. We need to understand this.

In settlers of Khazaria were Turks and Huns. In A.D. 740 King Buulan of Khazaria decided to adopt the Judaisticreligion for his country. A number of Jews were already living there. So he converted to Judaism, along with all his officials, and his whole nation ended up being known as a nation of Jews. In 907 Russia came in and dominated the situation, and the Khazars were scattered, many of them going down into Poland and Lithuania, where at the dawn of our modern civilization the largest concentration of Jews were found. Today, the largest percentage of so-called Jews in the world have as their background this group of people. This is fully documented in detail in my book, Israel in Bible Prophecy.

Naturally, these people are not a “race” of Jews, and yet it is thought by some that they constitute the major portion of the 14,000,000 so-called Jews in the world today. Their features are different than the Sephardim Jews; their language backgrounds are different (the Ashkenazim speaking Yiddish, and the Sephardim with their Hebrew and many of them who speak Spanish on account of their own mixed-up background in Spain). In Israel they have their separate organizations, and the nation there is divided between these two mixed-up bloodlines of people. In the 12th century the Ashkenazim Jews made up only 6.7% of the Jews, but around 1965 they numbered 11,000,000 or about 86% of all the Jews in the world. Think of the implications of this!

In a recent book, Palestine is Coming, by Kermit Zarley, it was stated that “British Minister of State Lord Moyne supported his government’s White Paper of 1939 by publicly opposing further Jewish immigration. He argued the Jews were not demonstrably the true descendants of the ancient Hebrews and therefore without legitimate claim to the Holy Land. He meant that Jews were hardly a pure race, being a much more heterogeneous group that popularly conceived. For this, he was assassinated by the Stern Group on November 6, 1994” (Kermit Zarley, p.131).

“A common error and persistent modern myth is the designation of the Jews as a ‘race.’ This is scientifically fallacious, from the standpoint of both physical and historical tradition. Investigations by anthropologists have shown the Jews are by no means uniform in physical character and that they nearly always reflect the physical and mental characteristics of the people among whom they live” (Collier’s Encyclopedia, 1977, vol. 13, p. 573).

Being a Jew has nothing to do with race as such. Sammy Davis, Jr. became a Jew. Elizabeth Taylor became a Jew when she married Eddie Fisher. In June of 1991 Tom Arnold and Roseanne Barr, the T.V. entertainer, renewed publicly their wedding vows, and he was celebration his conversion to Judaism. Jews can be of different races. It is like someone who is a Catholic or a Protestant; they can be of any race or color. In Israel they have a peculiar law which says what their government says is a Jew. I quote this from Funk and wagnall’s New Encyclopedia, vol. 14, p 214: “In 1970 the Israeli Knesset adopted legislation defining a Jew as one born of a Jewish mother or a convert.” It matters not who the father is, nor to what race he belongs. And a convert can be from and race. So you see, we are not talking about a “race” of people when we talk about the Jewish people.

What difference does it make weather a Jewish person is a blood descendent of Abraham? There seems to be little doubt that the proper identification of Israel is the cornerstone of correct theology. Modern Israel is considered, by some, to be the blood inheritors of the promises given to Abraham. However there is no way in the would anyone can prove they are a biblical Jew because all the genealogys were destroyed in 70 A.D God made shore of that.

Politicians speak of a Jewish race in Biblical references to garner support for the ‘nation of Israel.’ Religious folk make the claim of an Jewish race to promote the idea of futurity for the nation in the prophetic scheme of things.

Numerous verses identify Israel, in New Testament prophecy, in terms of their tribal associations; however, these associations do not (and cannot, as will be seen) extend beyond the first century. One example of this is Matthew 24:30, where Christ declares that “the tribes of the (land) shall mourn.” Knowing that no New Testament prophecy extends beyond the first century, we recognize the fulfillment of this verse in that Israel, prior to the destruction of Jerusalem, was reckoned in tribal relations. Paul, for instance, refers to his being of the stock of Benjamin in Romans 11:1. Another example of tribal reference in NT prophecy is the counting of the first century first-fruits to the Lord (notice that they are not last-fruits) in Revelation chapter 7, verse 4.

After the destruction of Jerusalem, however, the nation of Israel after the flesh was scattered throughout the earth, and lost all tribal relations. This scattering was made immutable due to the fact that all tribal genealogical records were destroyed with the Second Temple in A.D. 70. The simple fact is that there is no existing Jewish race.

Consider the following quotations:

The Encyclopedia Brittanica (1973)
‘The Jews As A Race: The findings of physical anthropology show that, contrary to the popular view, there is no Jewish race. Anthropornetric measurements of Jewish groups in many parts of the world indicate that they differ greatly from one another with respect to all the important physical characteristics.” (vol. 12, page 1054)

Encyclopedia Judaica Jerusalem (1971)
“It is a common assumption, and one that sometimes seems ineradicable even in the face of evidence to the contrary, that the Jews of today constitute a race, a homogeneous entity easily recognizable. From the preceding discussion of the origin and early history of the Jews, it should be clear that in the course of their formation as a people and a nation they had already assimilated a variety of racial strains from people moving into the general area they occupied. This had taken place by interbreeding and then by conversion to Judaism of a considerable number of communities. . . .
“Thus, the diversity of the racial and genetic attributes of various Jewish colonies of today renders any unified racial classification of them a contradiction in terms. Despite this, many people readily accept the notion that they are a distinct race. This is probably reinforced by the fact that some Jews are recognizably different in appearance from the surrounding population. That many cannot be easily identified is overlooked and the stereotype for some is extended to all - a not uncommon phenomenon” (Encyclopedia Judaica Jerusalem, 1971, vol. 3, p. 50).

Encyclopedia Americana (1986)
“Racial and Ethnic Considerations. Some theorists have considered the Jews a distinct race, although this has no factual basis. In every country in which the Jews lived for a considerable time, their physical traits came to approximate those of the indigenous people. Hence the Jews belong to several distinct racial types, ranging, for example, from fair to dark. Among the reasons for this phenomenon are voluntary or involuntary miscegenation and the conversion of Gentiles to Judaism” (Encyclopedia Americana, 1986, vol. 16, p. 71).

Collier’s Encyclopedia (1977)
“A common error and persistent modern myth is the designation of the Jews as a ‘race! This is scientifically fallacious, from the standpoint of both physical and historical tradition. Investigations by anthropologists have shown that Jews are by no means uniform in physical character and that they nearly always reflect the physical and mental characteristics of the people among whom they five” (Collier’s Encyclopedia, 1977, vol. 13, p. 573).

Today, being a Jew simply means that one is of the Judaistic religion or a convert to it, or else in a “brotherhood” of those who are. Therefore, being a Jew has nothing to do with race. We are familiar with a number of notable figures, such as Sammy Davis, Jr., Elizabeth Taylor, and Tom Arnold, in fact, who became Jews by conversion to the religion of Judaism. In fact, one is defined a Jew by legal dispensation or coercion, with race playing no part at all:

Funk and Wagnall’s New Encyclopedia (1970)
“In 1970 the Israeli Knesset adopted legislation defining a Jew as one born of a Jewish mother or a convert.” (vol. 14, p. 214)

H.G. Wells
“There can be little doubt that the scattered Phoenicians in Spain and Africa and throughout the Mediterranean, speaking as they did a language closely akin to Hebrew and being deprived of their authentic political rights, became proselytes to Judaism. For phases of vigorous proselytism alternated with phases of exclusive jealousy in Jewish history. On one occasion the Idumeans, being conquered, were all forcibly made Jews. There were Arab tribes who were Jews in the time of Muhammad, and a Thrkish people who were mainly Jews in South Russia in the ninth century. Judaism is indeed the reconstructed political ideal of many shattered peoples - mainly Semitic.... The main part of Jewry never was in Judea and had never come out of Judea” (The Outline of History, p. 505).

Therefore, we can clearly and confidently assert that there is no such thing as a Jewish race, or fleshly Israel, nor ever can there be again.

Age of the Gentiles

Is it really all that complicated?
Here is in very simple terms, what the “age of the gentiles” was!!
The time of the gentiles is the time that the Roman army shattered the power of the Holy people in AD 70.
Lu 21:24 - they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led captive among all nations; and Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
Revelation and Daniel clean up this somehow misunderstood phrase.
Re 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
These are not coincidenses. All of this happpened as Christ said. Somehow the church made a simple event and complicated it. But just as Jesus said, and as long as was told to Daniel and John, it happened THEN!!
Luke21:20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. 21:21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it; 21:22 for these are days of vengeance, to fulfil all that is written. ................Lu 21:24 - they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led captive among all nations; and Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. ..............32 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all has taken place.
....... Re 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
There is no coincidence that 37 years from Christ’s ascention, Jerusalem was surrounded by armies (Luke 21:20)
3 1/2 years later the temple was utterly destroyed (Matt 23:38, 24:1-3) and the power of Judaism was SHATTERED as Daniel said (Daniel 12:7).
THAT fulfilled all (Daniel 12:7, Luke 21:22).

Snashin said:

I can or I don't need to. It has the same effect either way. I choose to take it literally because I believe what the Bible says (insofar as the translations are accurate).

Also see Acts 1:6-9
6So when they met together, they asked him, "Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?" 7He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."
9After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.

Jesus told them that they would be His witnesses to the ends of the earth. Jesus also said that the end would come when the gospel had been preached....to the ends of the earth.
The good news had been preached to all the world by the time the book of Romans and the book of Colossians were written in the first century. (Romans 10:18) “Their voice (the voice of those preaching the good news) has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world”. (Col. 1:23) “This...gospel...has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven”. And shortly after the good news was preached in the whole world in the first century, the end of the Old Testament world came in fiery judgment in A.D. 70, at the destruction of Christ’s enemies.

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You said that you take those verses literally, and then you spiritualized it. Why did you lie?

Is the Earth limited to the Roman Empire? The known world DID include India and China at that point... Plus, Jesus, as God, would certainly know that there were people living the Americas. Did Jesus not die for them? You are undermining the Gospel here.

Even if the Gospel had been preached to all the earth by 70 AD (does the fact that Revelation was likely written AFTER that mean nothing to you?), you're still ignoring this passage:

Matthew 24:26-27

So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Do you say that you take this verse literally, and then spiritualize it instead? Do you also spiritualize the resurrection?

(insofar as the translations are accurate)

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This sounds like something a Mormon would say...

When you say this, it tells me that you haven't researched the Bible enough to have good hermaneutical stills or have strong conclusions about things like eschatology.


I have a question: Have you ever heard of amillennialism? Have you ever looked into it? It would satisfy most, if not all of, the problems that you have with pre-millennialism (ie. the rapture). I suggest that you look into it further. It's not Biblically unsound, as is preterism.

hidden Manna,
you did not answer my Questions from the Scriptures -can you read those Scriptures, themselves that I posted to you and give me reasons why you believe God has lied about them -what reasons from Scripture -not books by men- can you give for your position that completely contradicts the promises of God to the seed of Jacob?
Ezekiel 20:33-44 for one, and Amos 5:20, for another -plus the others.
Please answer the Scriptures with the reason you deny them being fullfilled -and you might want to lkook and see if the sun, moon and stars are still in the sky, as far as Israel and the promises God has made to them go. too.

Then, you might want to look at Genesis 15 and tell me who ratified the land covenant and tell me why you believe the two witnesses who ratified the land covenant could possibly break a promise that depends on the Power of God and the spoken Word, not by any means on Abraham or his seed, -Jacob, to whom the promise was passed; and which two witnesses were represented by the burning lamp and the smoking oven.
The Power and the Word of God ratified the land Covenant -and it depends on no human person nor on anything any human person can do or has done or will do.
God's Word, and God's Power will bring to pass the promise of the land to Jacob's blood seed.

yeshuasavedme said:

Yes, He did personally say there would be another temple as described to Ezekiel, which has never been built and shall be built;

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It is estimated that Ezekiel started prophesying the doom of Judah at the hands of Babylon beginning in 593BC. In 586 Babylon sieged Jerusalem and destroyed the temple of Solomon. Chapters 40-48 which are visions describing the temple are though to have occurred circa 571 BC - 15 years into their captivity.

The temple Ezekiel saw in his visions was the temple that was to be built once Israel was freed from captivity and allowed to rebuild the temple in 536BC.

Ezekiel's vision and prophecy was fulfilled within the books of Ezra and Nehemiah.

-A

armothe said:

It is estimated that Ezekiel started prophesying the doom of Judah at the hands of Babylon beginning in 593BC. In 586 Babylon sieged Jerusalem and destroyed the temple of Solomon. Chapters 40-48 which are visions describing the temple are though to have occurred circa 571 BC - 15 years into their captivity.

The temple Ezekiel saw in his visions was the temple that was to be built once Israel was freed from captivity and allowed to rebuild the temple in 536BC.

Ezekiel's vision and prophecy was fulfilled within the books of Ezra and Nehemiah.

-A

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No it was not. Not even close. You just make the statement that it was , but it was not and is easily proven by comparing Scripture to Scripture.
did you not compare Scripture to Scripture because someone just told you it was so, and you believed them, or did you just make a blanket statement without regard to what is written because you do not care about truth?
Good Bereans prove all things, and the Scripture proves your statement false.

I think you should be ashamed for making a statement that anyone can so easily check for themselves and see that you spoke falsely.
We are to study to show ourselves approved unto God, workmen who need not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of truth.

You can check out the differences here -but prove them to yourself, if you care, by studying the Word for yourself. Even just reading it shows your error in that statement.
http://www.templemount.org/ezektmp.html

The temple of Ezekiel is to be built by Messiah when He returns to reign over the kingdom that He has purchased when He returns on His throne of glory as lightning, seen by every eye in earth and under the earth (in Hades), and cleanses out of His kingdom all things that offend -and the earth then has its Sabbath rest of peace for the thousand years.

armothe said:

It is estimated that Ezekiel started prophesying the doom of Judah at the hands of Babylon beginning in 593BC. In 586 Babylon sieged Jerusalem and destroyed the temple of Solomon. Chapters 40-48 which are visions describing the temple are though to have occurred circa 571 BC - 15 years into their captivity.

The temple Ezekiel saw in his visions was the temple that was to be built once Israel was freed from captivity and allowed to rebuild the temple in 536BC.

Ezekiel's vision and prophecy was fulfilled within the books of Ezra and Nehemiah.

-A

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I'm sure glad that you know what the scriptures mean, there are many who do not have a clue.

yeshuasavedme said:

-and you might want to lkook and see if the sun, moon and stars are still in the sky, as far as Israel and the promises God has made to them go. too.

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The Sun being Darkened and the Stars Falling

The problem with understanding the symbolical term of the “heaven and earth” is that most are not accustomed to dealing with such symbolical language like the heaven and earth, the sun being darkened and the stars falling, from the sky etc, without tacking these things literally. To the Jews, this was not new language.

When the rulers of the nation that God destroyed passed away, it was said that the sun was darkened and the stars fell from the sky’, etc. To help understand how the Jews communicated in terms of symbolical language open your Bible and turn to (Genesis 37:9).

After Joseph had a dream, from God, he told his Father and brothers about it and said, “Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.” His father understood the meaning of that dream and asked,” What is the dream that thou haste dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth” (vs.10)? As you can see, Joseph dream was related to his father, mother, and brothers not the universe. This passage might be taken to mean that the signs in the physical sun, moon and stars, would fall from the heavens. But the teaching of Joseph which we have just been considering absolutely forbids that interpretation.

Thus we find good reason for concluding that Joseph is here speaking figuratively of unusual happenings in the political firmament, that is to say, in the sphere of governments, or what Joseph calls the higher powers.

In Isaiah 13:7-10 we have an example of the use of this figure. This kind of language was also used by God in picturing His awful judgment on nations and it’s people. Take, for example, the case of the prophesied fall of Babylon to the Medes in 539 BC., This applied to Babylon, as mentioned in verse 1. “The fall of Babylon is represented by the stars and constellations of heaven withdrawing their light, and the sun and moon being darkened (xiii. 9,10). It occurs in connection with a description of the day of the Lord. We quote verse 10: For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light; the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. Taking these words in connection with Joseph’s dream about the sun, moon and stars (which his father and brethren had no need of one to interpret for them, (Ge 37:9,10), we get the idea that the sun stands for authority on earth in the broadest sense, and the moon for lesser authority, and the stars for prominent persons in the sphere of government.

In Isaiah 51:5-6 God predicted the destruction of “heaven and earth.” Verses 15-16 defines that “heaven and earth” as the world created when God gave Israel the law at Sinai. In contrast to that world that would be destroyed, God’s new world would stand forever, vs. 6. GOD CREATED ISRAEL’S HEAVEN AND EARTH AT SINAI, BUT HE WOULD DESTROY THAT WORLD TO MAKE WAY FOR THE NEW CREATION OF CHRIST! Isaiah predicted this in chapter 65:1-17-19. This is the very same ‘heaven and earth’ mentioned in. (2 Peter 3:12-13)

(1) Now would you mind please showing us mislead preterist were in history did the literal stars and constellations of heaven withdrawing their light, and the sun and moon were darkened.

(2) And while you are at it please feel free to give us some scripture were the New Testament writers say we are now to take their scripture literally.

This applied to Babylon, as mentioned in verse 1. “The fall of Babylon is represented by the stars and constellations of heaven withdrawing their light, and the sun and moon being darkened (xiii. 9,10).

I look forward to seeing your proof from history.

yeshuasavedme said:

hidden Manna,
you did not answer my Questions from the Scriptures -can you read those Scriptures, themselves that I posted to you and give me reasons why you believe God has lied about them -what reasons from Scripture -not books by men- can you give for your position that completely contradicts the promises of God to the seed of Jacob?
Ezekiel 20:33-44 for one, and Amos 5:20, for another -plus the others.
Please answer the Scriptures with the reason you deny them being fullfilled -and you might want to lkook and see if the sun, moon and stars are still in the sky, as far as Israel and the promises God has made to them go. too.

Then, you might want to look at Genesis 15 and tell me who ratified the land covenant and tell me why you believe the two witnesses who ratified the land covenant could possibly break a promise that depends on the Power of God and the spoken Word, not by any means on Abraham or his seed, -Jacob, to whom the promise was passed; and which two witnesses were represented by the burning lamp and the smoking oven.
The Power and the Word of God ratified the land Covenant -and it depends on no human person nor on anything any human person can do or has done or will do.
God's Word, and God's Power will bring to pass the promise of the land to Jacob's blood seed.

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The Land Belonged to God

Scripture says the (land belongs to God) and was not a permanent entitlement to anyone. “’The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants.”’ (Lev. 25:23 NIV) The Bible says that they were only “tenants”. As tenants there were in the land or God’s property for a fixed period of time. This arrangement is usually under the terms of a lease or some similar legal Covenant or agreement. (See Deut.8:1; 2Ch 7:19-20) To teach or imply otherwise is nothing less than to compromise the Gospel itself.

A heavenly inheritance has been the expectation of Abraham and the people of God in all ages.

By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. By faith Abraham, even though he was past age and Sarah herself was barren was enabled to become a father because he considered him faithful who had made the promise. And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore. All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. Instead, they were longing for a better country a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them. (Hebrews 12:8-16 NIV)

“But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.” (Hebrews 11:13-16)

The heavenly country was the fulfillment concerning the promise of the land of Palestine that Abraham looked for. The physical land of Palestine was only a tempera entitlement of a greater promise land to come.

The Gospel offers eternal life in heaven to Jews and Gentiles alike as a free gift in Jesus Christ. Eternal life in heaven is not earned or deserved, nor is it based upon ethnic descent or natural birth. And there is no special divine favor for inheritance upon any member of any religious group to the earthly land of Palestine whether Jew or Gentile or Muslim. (Lev. 25:23)

The Apostle Paul, to the Circumcision, in Rome says nothing about the restoration of the kingdom to Israel in the land of Palestine. Instead, Paul persuades his Jewish readers to consider themselves dead to the old but alive to the new. (Romans 6:5) He fixes their hope upon the resurrection.

No New Testament writer foresees a regathering of ethnic Israel in the land, as did the prophets of the Old Testament after the destruction of the first temple in 586 B.C. Moreover, the land promises of the Old Covenant are consistently and deliberately expanded in the New Testament to show the universal dominion of Jesus, (Psalm 2:7-8) who reigns from heaven upon the throne of David, inviting all the nations through the Gospel of Grace to partake of his universal and everlasting dominion.

Bad Christian theology regarding the “Middle East” and Palestine, contributed to the tragic cruelty This doctrine is both contrary to the teaching of the New Testament and a violation of the Gospel mandate.

Under that old covenant earthly blessings were promised to an earthly people, including national existence and the possession of the land of Canaan. Those blessings, moreover (and it is important to observe this) were made to depend upon express conditions, to be faithfully observed by that people, and were to be forfeited if those conditions were not observed. But that covenant, the Lord declares, “they brake.” And now, through Jeremiah, He proclaims the great fact that He will make, in a time then future, “a new covenant,” which was to be of a different sort.

The Epistle to the Hebrews explains fully this prophecy of Jeremiah concerning the new covenant, the prophecy itself being quoted in full in Heb. 8:7-13, and in part in 10:15-17. It is the “everlasting covenant,” secured by the blood of Jesus Christ (Heb. 13: 20). It is established with a heavenly people, those who are “come to Mount Sion, and to the city of the living God the heavenly Jerusalem, . . . and to the church of the first born (ones) who are written (i.e. enrolled) in heaven” (Ch. 12:22, 23). It is “a better covenant established upon better promises” (Ch. 8:6)
We have already seen that, by the covenant of Sinai, God offered them the highest of all blessings, but upon the express condition of obedience; the terms being, “If ye will obey My voice indeed, and keep My Covenant” (Ex. 19:5,6). To this they all agreed, saying, “All that the Lord hath spoken, we will do” (v. 8). And this pledge of obedience was twice repeated by them after the ten commandments had been spoken to them (Ex. 24:3 and 7). Nevertheless, that covenant was broken by them within forty days through the idolatry of the golden calf (“Which My covenant they brake,” Jer. 31:32).


Now the matter of chief interest for our present purposes is that, from this national destruction by the Romans there was to be no recovery. And in this, the prophecy of Moses is in full accord with that of Jesus Christ, recorded in Matthew 24 and Luke 21. For Moses said: “God will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land wither thou goest to possess it. And the Lord shall scatter thee among all people, from one end of the earth even to the other” (Deut. 28:63,64). This, according to this prophecy, was to be the end of their history as a nation.

And now the law has been superseded by the gospel, with its “better hope.” The economy of the law, with all its shadows - people, land, city, temple, priesthood, sacrifices- has been set aside, and forever.

Being a member of Israel in the Old Testament was dependent upon faith and obedience to God. When the Israelites obeyed God, God loved them. But when the Israelites turned from him, He hated them, stripping them of their Israelite status. After centuries of Israelite rebellion against God, culminating in their rejection of Jesus the Messiah, the titles, attributes and blessings of Israel were transferred to all who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and to no one else, regardless of Abrahamic descent.

Snashin said:

Hi Breetai,
I don't think I lied or spiritualized, at least not intentionally.

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I believe you that you didn't do it intentionally, but if you look at what you said again (sometimes it takes a lot of "agains" when you look at your own work), it's pretty clear that you did spiritualize what you said you take literally.

The replies to this thread were a little more heady than I expected. I'm a lay person and have not researched the Bible enough, as you say.

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After reading what I said, I came off condenscendingly. I don't know how to avoid that sometimes. Nevertheless, I was and am assuming that you're standing beside a preterism viewpoint because you haven't seen all of the options and aren't aware of why preterism actually takes away from the gospel (indirectly, but it still does so).

I have always felt, through my own interpretation of the Bible, that the 2nd resurrection had already occurred - because I tend to take things literally - especially when it comes to the words of Jesus. Even though they are literal - they oftentimes represent a larger view as well.

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Things, especially in the Bible, often do represent a larger view. Many prophetic passeges can have double fulfillments. Still, where the scriptures talk about the second coming, it is always described as being a very literal event that EVERY eye, both living and dead, will see. When God created the world, He didn't just create the area that includes the Roman empire. He created the world.

When Jesus said "genea" in Matthew 24:34, he didn't necessarily mean "this same generation that is alive today". In fact, if you look at the entire context of the dialogue, there's no reason that the interpretation that I just mentioned needs to be used. There are other options that fit with the overall context much better.

When I discovered the information about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD - that added to my beliefs. Then, when I heard about Preterism and read everything I could find on it - I added more affirmation to my beliefs.

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Look up the definition for "double fulfillment of prophecy". The parousia (Jesus second coming) never occured in 70 AD. It is a literal return, just as Jesus literally left the Earth as told about in the book of Acts. It's fine to say that the "Jewish era" ended in 70 AD though. That might fit under the definition of "partial preterism", if you combine it with Pentacost.

Now, when you say that Revelation was 'likely' written after 70AD - well, that's not saying much. The Four Gospels and most of the New Testament were probably written (preserved is probably a better word) after that as well.

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It is saying quite a lot actually. In order to subscribe to preterism, you MUST BE DOGMATIC that Revelation was written BEFORE 70 AD. The majority of scholarly work points to Revelation being written well after 70 AD. Preterism assumes that something quite unlikely to be true is the case to have any kind of foothold at all. It's not a very solid thing to base something on.

You're also incorrect in saying that "the four Gospels and most of the New Testament were probably written after that (70 AD) as well". Again, the majority of scholars date most of the books before 70 AD. The gospel of John if the only Gospel that is frequently dated after 70. The Pauline Epistles are all dated pre-70 AD.

Matthew 24:26-27 is about Jesus telling His disciples not to look for Him in a human bodily form......because He would be coming down from heaven in all His glory.

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It's only about Jesus telling His disciples that if those verses are taken out of context. Jesus will be in an exhalted human form. Remember, after His death, the dead literally rose. Jesus then literally rose and ascended into heaven; promising to return just as He left. Paul wrote again and again about a literal resurrection. This is established repeatedly thoughout the Bible. Preterism undermines this part of the gospel without shame.

You did get the next part right though. Jesus will certainly be coming down from heaven in all His glory. Every eye, both quick and dead, will see it.

No, I'm not Mormon.

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Haha, I didn't think that. I was complaring what you said to what Mormons like to say though (I believe in the Bible as long as it's translated correctly...). The point is that if you have a problem with an English translation, you are free to go to a Museum and read one of the orginal Constantinian Bibles from the early 4th century; the Codex Sinaiticus. You'll have to learn how to read ancient Greek, but at least the option is there.

As far as translations go - I've been doing a lot of research on the various translations of the canonical books, and studying the other early Christian writings. There seem to be a lot of translation errors - and one word wrong here or there, can change the whole meaning of a verse.

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Like I said, if that really is such a problem for you, you are free to spend some time learning Greek and/or Hebrew. Blue Letter Bible is also a nice resource that has a basic Greek and Hebrew lexicon online. Check it out.

amillennialism - I will look into it.

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It's been the predominant eschatological theory for nearly two millennia, and it eliminates most, if not all, of the problems that you seem to be having with the other, pre-millennial rapture, views.

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Snashin

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Your welcome and God bless,

Breetai

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I'll take this short one first. (catching up on my work after my computer problem - my internet connection was only lasting for 10 minutes and I had to spend a lot of time on the phone with the router company to get it fixed)

Matthew 17:22-23 Now while they were staying in Galilee, Jesus said to them, "The Son of Man is about to be betrayed into the hands of men, and they will kill Him, and the third day He will be raised up.'' And they were exceedingly sorrowful.

Was He raised up?

Christ was sending out disciples to preach the good news of the Kingdom -


Matt.10:23 “But when they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.”

Sounds like the same type of language that was in chapter 17.

Matthew 16:27-28.

"For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.''



I take this literally, as I do the resurrection.

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Hello snashin,
I take that literally, too, and John saw Him coming in His glory before he died, and wrote the book of Revelation about it.
He wrote what He saw, and He saw it in person, alive -but en spirit- and from heaven he watched it all unfold; from the rapture to the melting of the heavens and the earth a thousand years later. He saw it all 'in' spirit, as opposed to 'in' body, and from heaven, where he was taken in spirit.

But there was no promise that any of them would remain alive on this earth until He came.

Jhn 21:20-23
http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Jhn&chapter=21&verse=21&version=kjvPeter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what [shall] this man [do]?
Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what [is that] to thee? follow thou me.
Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what [is that] to thee?

Not one disciple was promised that they would remain until He come.

Breetai said:

I was and am assuming that you're standing beside a preterism viewpoint because you haven't seen all of the options and aren't aware of why preterism actually takes away from the gospel (indirectly, but it still does so).
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Which gospel of Christ?

Preterist believe these words that were clearly made Jesus and his disciples.
A Look At the Evidence
1.) Matthew 10:23 — Jesus said he would return in the lifetime of his disciples.

2.) Matthew 16:27-28 — Jesus said he would return with his angels to judge all men before every one standing there died. Please read it!
3.) Matthew 24:29-34 — Jesus said he would return in the clouds with his angels — in that generation.
4.) Acts 3:19ff — Peter said Jesus would return when all the Old Covenant prophets were fulfilled. If the Old Prophets have not been fulfilled the Old Covenant is still in effect, Matthew 5:17-18.
5.) Romans 13:12 — Paul said “the day is at hand.”
6.) Romans 16:20 — Paul said God “will bruise Satan under your feet shortly.”
7.) I Corinthians 1:4-8 — Paul said the Corinthians would have the miraculous gifts until “the end,” the Day of the Lord.
8.) I Corinthians 7:28-31 — Paul said “the fashion of this world is passing away,” and “the time is short.”
9.) I Corinthians 15:51f — Paul said not all of them then living would die before the resurrection.
10.) Philippians 3:20-4:5 — Paul spoke of the resurrection at Christ’s coming and said “The Lord is at hand.”
11.) I Timothy 6:14 — Paul told Timothy to live faithfully “until the appearing of our Lord.”
12.) Hebrews 9:28; 10:37 — The writer said Christ would appear a second time for salvation and then asserted “in a very, very little while he that will come will come, and will not tarry.” Isn’t it sad that man says Christ has delayed, in spite of what this verse says? what does inspiration mean? Did the writer lie? Was he mistaken?
13.) James 5:7-9 — James urged his readers to be faithful “until the coming of the Lord;” he says “The coming of the Lord is at hand:” and “The judge is standing right at the door.”
14.) I Peter 4:5,7,17 — Peter said Jesus was then “ready to judge the living and the dead;” “the end of all things is at hand;” and “the time is come for the judgment to begin at the house of God.”
15.) I John 2:15-18 — John said the world was passing away and “it is the last hour.”
16.) Revelation — this book says no less than ten times that its predictions “must shortly come to pass,” were “at hand,” were to happen “quickly,” there would be “no more delay,” etc, etc.
Preterist believe these words. The problem here is one of preconceived ideas and belief in another gospel that Jesus and his disciples did not teach.

One other thing, Paul said the gospel was preached to every creature under heaven and that was in the first century before 70 AD.

Colossians 1:23
if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

Breetai said:

Things, especially in the Bible, often do represent a larger view. Many prophetic passeges can have double fulfillments. Still, where the scriptures talk about the second coming, it is always described as being a very literal event that EVERY eye, both living and dead, will see. When God created the world, He didn't just create the area that includes the Roman empire. He created the world.

It is saying quite a lot actually. In order to subscribe to preterism, you MUST BE DOGMATIC that Revelation was written BEFORE 70 AD. The majority of scholarly work points to Revelation being written well after 70 AD. Preterism assumes that something quite unlikely to be true is the case to have any kind of foothold at all. It's not a very solid thing to base something on.

You're also incorrect in saying that "the four Gospels and most of the New Testament were probably written after that (70 AD) as well". Again, the majority of scholars date most of the books before 70 AD. The gospel of John if the only Gospel that is frequently dated after 70. The Pauline Epistles are all dated pre-70 AD.


You did get the next part right though. Jesus will certainly be coming down from heaven in all His glory. Every eye, both quick and dead, will see it.

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Revelation Eye Earth

We would observe that there are a host of scholars and students that advocate the early date of Revelation because of all the External Evidence. Does the Lord give clues to the subject matter and the time of writing the book of Revelation? We believe He does.

Students of Revelation search the book for clues to the time of writing. The texts within the book appear to identify a specific time period.

A Jewish problem was present in the church at Smyrna (2:9) and in the church at Philadelphia (3:9), which makes an early date more consistent.

The temple is also present in Rev 11, which places the writing before 70 AD. There has not been a temple since 70 AD. That should give us some places to start looking were the Bible says these are to be fulfilled;



Here is just one example. “Some will probably be wondering at this point about the reference in Rev. 1:7 to “every eye” seeing Him and how this fits in with this interpretation. It should be noted that the word for “see” is often used not of sight, but of perception. As Paul wrote to the Ephesians, “May the eyes of your understanding be enlightened” (Eph. 1:18).”

But how was this verse fulfilled? Consider who the scriptures says would see the coming. To do that, we must keep in mind this simple rule of interpreting the Bible: let Scripture interpret Scripture.

John wrote that this was the “revelation (or revealing) of Jesus Christ” (verse 1) who was coming “with the clouds, and every eye will see Him and those who pierced Him, and all the tribes of the earth (or land) will wail due to Him. Yes, Amen” (verse 7) . This is the main purpose of Revelation. The revealing of Jesus to the “tribes of the earth (or land).” Now, we must identify, from Scripture, who those “tribes” were. We can do that quite easily by looking at Zechariah 12:10-14.

And I will pour out on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and prayers. And they (i.e., the inhabitants of Jerusalem) shall look on Me whom they have pierced, and shall mourn for Him. As one mourns for an only son, and will be bitter over Him like the bitterness over the firstborn. In that day (i.e., when they look on Him whom they had pierced) the mourning in Jerusalem will be great, like the mourning of Hadad-rimmon in the valley of Megiddo. And the land shall mourn, families by families alone; the family of the house of David alone, and their wives alone; the family of Nathan alone, and their wives alone; the family of the house of Levi alone, and their wives alone; the family of Shimei alone, and their wives alone; all the families who are left, family by family alone, and their wives alone.

Obviously, this is the foundation for John’ “every eye will see Him and those who pierced Him, and all the tribes of the earth (or land)will wail due to Him.” The Hebrew word for “family” is mishpachah and it means “family; by extension a tribe or people.” So, in essence, Zechariah was saying that the “tribes of the land” would mourn for Him whom they had pierced. Who were those “tribes?” “The inhabitants of Jerusalem.” This also helps us identify the “earth” in Revelation 1:7. According to Zechariah, the “earth” is the land of Palestine, specifically, Jerusalem. Also, it is those tribes, i.e., the nation of Israel, who would “look on Me whom they had pierced.” And because of that, “the mourning in Jerusalem” would be great. With all of this information, we can see that the “tribes of the earth” in Revelation 1:7 are the nation of Israel. The “earth” is Palestine. The land that would mourn is Jerusalem.

In the Greek word “earth” is translated only 65 % of the time when it appears outside Revelation. However, The word is translated 97% of the time “earth in the book of Revelation. This makes many passages appear to be world-wide when the context indicates a localized action or condition. John used the term “earth” 95% of the time in Revelation to indicate the land of Palestine.
The Greek words is better translated “land.” its definition is given by various Greek Lexicons as land, earth, soil, or dirt. This word does not have a “planet” meaning as does out “term “earth.”
The blood flowing as high as the horses’ bridles would portray the gravity of judgment (Revelation 14:20). The distance of 1600 stadia (about 180 miles) just happens to be the approximate length of the land of Palestine.

So, the main purpose of Revelation would be to reveal Jesus the nation of Israel. The place of this revealing would be Jerusalem. Lastly, this revealing would be to those who pierced Him, i.e., the Jews. This is not a general reference to the Jewish nation as some commentators state, but to Christ’s contemporary generation. That generation was destroyed in AD 70. by the Roman Legions. Therefore, the book of Revelation must have been written before that event.

I believe the reason why the disciples used the word earth or land is because that is the place were God always promised them. Remember God’s promise to Abraham. The Jews were always identified with the land. If they were in the land they were blessed. When they were out of the promise land to God they were as a nation dead.

In order to answer this question lets look at life for the Jews under the Old covenant.

To be dead, as used in the Bible, can mean different things. It can mean to be dead physically; it can mean to be dead spiritually; or it can have yet another meaning. It is the last interpretation of ‘death’ that will be our subject of study. However it takes some spiritual maturity to be able to answer that challenge. Let’s look at a passage of Scripture that gives us a feeling for this third definition of death.

Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They indeed say, ‘Our bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!’ Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. Then you shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves. I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the LORD, have spoken it and performed it,” says the LORD.’” (Ezekiel 37:11-14)

During the Babylonian captivity Israel was cut off from her homeland. They spent seventy years in another country. While Israel was cut off from the Promised Land, she was in the sight of God, as dead! All these Jews were alive physically, but as the Lord showed Ezekiel, they were a valley of dry bones in a grave nationally.

God in restoring His people to their own land uses the figure of graves opening and His people coming forth in national resurrection. Read again the passage form Ezekiel.
This third meaning of death (national Jews cut off from the promised land),

Breetai said:

When Jesus said "genea" in Matthew 24:34, he didn't necessarily mean "this same generation that is alive today". In fact, if you look at the entire context of the dialogue, there's no reason that the interpretation that I just mentioned needs to be used. There are other options that fit with the overall context much better.

Look up the definition for "double fulfillment of prophecy". The parousia (Jesus second coming) never occured in 70 AD. It is a literal return, just as Jesus literally left the Earth as told about in the book of Acts. It's fine to say that the "Jewish era" ended in 70 AD though. That might fit under the definition of "partial preterism", if you combine it with Pentacost.

It's only about Jesus telling His disciples that if those verses are taken out of context. Jesus will be in an exhalted human form. Remember, after His death, the dead literally rose. Jesus then literally rose and ascended into heaven; promising to return just as He left. Paul wrote again and again about a literal resurrection. This is established repeatedly thoughout the Bible. Preterism undermines this part of the gospel without shame.

You did get the next part right though. Jesus will certainly be coming down from heaven in all His glory. Every eye, both quick and dead, will see it.

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I have a few questions for you futurists. According to this text of scripture in Matt.26:64 did Jesus tell Caiaphas the high priest that he and his followers would see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.” Knowing that they would be dead if He were to come in the future 2,000 years or more, as you believe. Yes or No

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Jesus Faces the Sanhedrin
(9) 57 And those who had laid hold of Jesus led Him away to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders were assembled.

64Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”


(1) Where in II Timothy does Paul say those at Ephesus had the wrong idea about the nature of the resurrection?
(2) Where in II Timothy does Paul say those at Ephesus where it look for a physical bodily,resurrection.

(3)If the resurrection was a literal bodily,resurrection with literal graves opening as our traditions would have us to believe how could any one convince those at Ephesus that it had already happened?

In Matt. 23:13 Jesus is making a claim that there was a heaven for people to enter into as they were still living on the earth.

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13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

If that was true then the heaven for the Pharisees and other people of that day was the old heaven under the Old Covenant.

We are now living in the new covenant and if the same principles can be applied today that would mean that there is still a heaven to enter into today. However we are no longer under the old heaven with the old covenant.

Anyone in Christ has seen all old things pass away and all things become new including heaven and earth.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new .

Hidden Manna said:

1.) Matthew 10:23 — Jesus said he would return in the lifetime of his disciples.

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No, Hidden Manna, He did not say that He would return in the lifetime of the disciples.

These things did not happen to the disciples in Israel. Jesus is speaking as the Prophet of God that He is, and the passage will yet speak to those who will yet preach in Israel after the Church is removed from earth -taken in the “laqach”.

Jesus is coming to Jerusalem as He went, and every eye shall see Him in heaven and in earth and under the earth -those who crucified Him and who are n Hades will see Him returning on His throne of glory as lightning.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Rev 6:13-17;

And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

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2.) Matthew 16:27-28 — Jesus said he would return with his angels to judge all men before every one standing there died. Please read it!

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...John saw Him coming in His glory before he died, and wrote the book of Revelation about it.
He wrote what He saw, and He saw it in person, alive -but 'en' spirit- and from heaven he watched it all unfold; from the rapture to the melting of the heavens and the earth a thousand years later. He saw it all 'in' spirit, as opposed to 'in' body, and from heaven, where he was taken in spirit.

There was no promise that any of them would remain alive on this earth until He came.

Jhn 21:20-23
Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what [shall] this man [do]?
Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what [is that] to thee? follow thou me.
Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what [is that] to thee?

Not one disciple was promised that they would remain until He come.

Hidden Manna said:

4.) Acts 3:19ff — Peter said Jesus would return when all the Old Covenant prophets were fulfilled. If the Old Prophets have not been fulfilled the Old Covenant is still in effect, Matthew 5:17-18.

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You have totally misrepresented this verse, also, Hidden Manna, for Peter preached as a Messianic Jew, understanding that the restitution of all things would come when the LORD returned to reign from heaven to this earth -as vs 21 shows, and which restitution is the earth's Sabbath Rest =the promised thousand year reign of Peace, which is exactly the 'times of refreshing' of this earth for that thousand year Sabbath of it's Peace, as the good Messianic Jew, Peter, understood -and mentioned more of, another time.

"Times of refreshing" is the Rest that the earth is waiting for, when the Messiah comes to reign, which He taught us to pray for; "Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven".

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing [=the Sabbath of the thousand year Messianic reign] shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Genesis 3:15 was the first promise of the restitution of all things -the restitution is coming to this earth, when the earth has it's Sabbath Rest, it's "times of refreshing"