Was Adam an angel?

[Serapha]

Hi there!



As I don't claim to be the "expert" on mormon teachings and doctrines according to the bom,

But I received a reference with this information.


Adam was the pre-mortal Michael the Arch-Angel, and that Adam was an angel in his former being, but having lost his "bright nature" which he hopes to have restored some day.


Where does that teaching originate?

~malaka~

 

[Deacon]

Who knows....in all of my research of the Mormon church I have seen that in the early days but I do not believe they have those same beliefs or thoughts....but I could be wrong...

 

[msjones21]

I have no clue. Adam was made from the dust of the earth. God gave Adam something the angels do not possess and that is free will. I have no idea where the idea he was an angel was derived from.

 

[fatboys]

Hi there!



As I don't claim to be the "expert" on mormon teachings and doctrines according to the bom,

But I received a reference with this information.


Adam was the pre-mortal Michael the Arch-Angel, and that Adam was an angel in his former being, but having lost his "bright nature" which he hopes to have restored some day.


Where does that teaching originate?

~malaka~

FB: Give me the reference as to where this was taught. I would be interested.

 

[Serapha]

FB: Give me the reference as to where this was taught. I would be interested.

Hi there!

That reference came off this forum somewhere.... but I don't remember where.... but the text about Adam as Michael is found at....

http://www.irr.org/mit/WDIST/wdist-ag-jdv1p50.html

Journal of discourses 1:50


~serapha~

 

[fatboys]

Hi there!

That reference came off this forum somewhere.... but I don't remember where.... but the text about Adam as Michael is found at....

http://www.irr.org/mit/WDIST/wdist-ag-jdv1p50.html

Journal of discourses 1:50


~serapha~

FB: Yes I am aware of who we teach Adam to be. Angels are messengers from God. In Hebrews they are referred to as mininstering spirits. I guess we could call them spirits with a purpose or calling from God. From latter day revelations we learn that Adam is Michael, the same that is mentioned in Revelations.

 

[Theway]

I have no clue. Adam was made from the dust of the earth. God gave Adam something the angels do not possess and that is free will. I have no idea where the idea he was an angel was derived from.

If angels have no free will, how was satan able to draw 1/3 of them away

 

[Serapha]

FB: Yes I am aware of who we teach Adam to be. Angels are messengers from God. In Hebrews they are referred to as mininstering spirits. I guess we could call them spirits with a purpose or calling from God. From latter day revelations we learn that Adam is Michael, the same that is mentioned in Revelations.

Hi there!




So, therefore, Jesus Christ was Adam?


~serapha~

 

[fatboys]

Hi there!




So, therefore, Jesus Christ was Adam?


~serapha~

FB: Not sure I follow. How did we come from Adam and Michael to Jesus?

 

[gort]

From latter day revelations we learn that Adam is Michael, the same that is mentioned in Revelations.

The Jehovah Witness will say that Michael is Jesus. So how could the LDS be correct in this matter?

THe Jehovah Witness will also say that they are the "authorized" church and no other. And that Jesus made an invisible return on 1914. So how could the LDS be correct in this matter?

 

[fatboys]

The Jehovah Witness will say that Michael is Jesus. So how could the LDS be correct in this matter?

THe Jehovah Witness will also say that they are the "authorized" church and no other. And that Jesus made an invisible return on 1914. So how could the LDS be correct in this matter?

FB: I am not sure what this has to do with Modern revelation through a living breathing prophet, since JW do not believe in revelation. I have studied the JW religion for a few years also. I have never heard of the invisible return in 1914. Could you elaborate on this?

 

[dnich163]

In Hebrew, Adam means "out of the earth".

Adama is the Hebrew word for the earth; hence Adam is from the earth.

This is why we say ashes to ashes, dust to dust at christian funerals as we are going back to our roots in a sense.

In the Christian sense, Adam stands for humanity; mankind without the distinction of the sexes.

David

 

[fatboys]

In Hebrew, Adam means "out of the earth".

Adama is the Hebrew word for the earth; hence Adam is from the earth.

This is why we say ashes to ashes, dust to dust at christian funerals as we are going back to our roots in a sense.

In the Christian sense, Adam stands for humanity; mankind without the distinction of the sexes.

David

FB: What definition are you using. I have looked and looked and found that Adam means Man, or first man. Could you give me the reference to where you got your definition from?

 

[Serapha]

FB: I am not sure what this has to do with Modern revelation through a living breathing prophet, since JW do not believe in revelation. I have studied the JW religion for a few years also. I have never heard of the invisible return in 1914. Could you elaborate on this?

Hi there!



Watchtower Society teaches that Christ returned invisibly (second advent) in 1914.

"This book set forth their belief that Christ's second presence began invisibly in the fall of 1874 and thereby commenced a forty-year harvest period. Then, remarkably accurately, they set forth the year 1914 as the end of the Gentile times..." (found in Qualified to Be Ministers, published in 1955 by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society).


Now, back to the subject of this thread.


~serapha~

 

[Serapha]

FB: Not sure I follow. How did we come from Adam and Michael to Jesus?

Hi there!



You posted that Adam was "Michael" when it is clear that Jesus was "Michael", therefore, Adam must be Jesus?



Daniel 12:1-3 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever
That passage isn't talking about "Adam" but "Christ".


~serapha~

 

[Atkin]

Hi there!



You posted that Adam was "Michael" when it is clear that Jesus was "Michael", therefore, Adam must be Jesus?



Daniel 12:1-3 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever
That passage isn't talking about "Adam" but "Christ".


~serapha~

Michael is a separate figure from Christ. Christ is seen here in Daniel talking about Michael

as a separate one, that is Christ is different from Michael.

Note that Daniel never knows the name of the one He refers to as Lord (the one who refers to Michael)

Daniel however knows Gabriel by name but He does not know the name of the one who speaks

in Daniel 10:5-21

Daniel 10:13
but the prince of the kingdom of Persia stood in my way for twenty-one days, until finally
Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me. I left him there with the prince of the
kings of Persia,

Christ is not the same as Michael.. of that there is no doubt.

Christ has a mother, Michael has no mother.

 

[Serapha]

Michael is a separate figure from Christ. Christ is seen here in Daniel talking about Michael

as a separate one, that is Christ is different from Michael.

Note that Daniel never knows the name of the one He refers to as Lord (the one who refers to Michael)

Daniel however knows Gabriel by name but He does not know the name of the one who speaks

in Daniel 10:5-21

Daniel 10:13
but the prince of the kingdom of Persia stood in my way for twenty-one days, until finally
Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me. I left him there with the prince of the
kings of Persia,

Christ is not the same as Michael.. of that there is no doubt.

Christ has a mother, Michael has no mother.

Hi there!



and who in charge of all the angels in heaven?

There are many examples of Jesus Christ appearing as an angel in the Old Testament. He is, in fact, the archangel who is over all of the angels. Is he a created being as the angels were created .... no. He is the archangel, Michael, whose name is "who is as God". No created being can be "who is as God", for there is only one who is as God, or is God, and that is Jesus Christ.

~serapha~

 

[solar_mirth]

ok, that's really unfounded scripturally. if you want to discuss that, start another thread.

the thing that God gave man that angels do not have is a soul. angels are of a completely spiritual nature. man is a combination of spirit and flesh. the meeting place of the two is the soul. for proof read the spiritual man by watchman nee. you can find it online to read for free. adam did not exist before being created by God in the six days of creation. if so, God would not have breathed His breath into man's flesh. he would have simply put the angel in. but He didn't. He breathed a whole new life into man. Michael being Adam is completely unproven by scripture.

 

[DCP 32° K.T]

... Michael, whose name is "who is as God". No created being can be "who is as God", for there is only one who is as God, or is God, and that is Jesus Christ. ...

Unfortunately for your position, Michael is in the form of a question and means Who is like God? rather than who is as God.

Mi = Who?

(is) is implied in the construction but is not in the Hebrew of the name or word.

Cha = like

'El = God
​

Arranged interlinearly, we have:

Mi	 Cha  'El
 
Who (is) like God?

Also, your premise that no created being can be as God is incorrect. There are ways in which created beings can be as God. See Genesis 3:5, 22, for starters. Further still, recent biblical scholarship is moving toward understanding the statement of Revelation 3:14 that Christ is 'the beginning of the creation of God' means that he is first first created. The latest edition of the standard Greek-English Lexicon in scholarship today states that this is the probable meaning of the passage. This, of course, puts a serious hole in your argument, if you don't mind my saying so.

 

[Serapha]

Unfortunately for your position, Michael is in the form of a question and means Who is like God? rather than who is as God.

Hi there!



Would you mind quoting the source that you used to determine that the meaning of "Michael" is to be determined to be a question?


~serapha~