Warped minds have warped views!

[m9lc]

No , Let me ask you a Q. Can you see someones forgiveness? You only can see what fruit they bare. Right. What fruit is there in Judas after his , your so called repentance. For I don't see any good fruit .

My so-called repentance? I'm just telling you what the Bible says. This is cherry-picking at its best, folks.

 

[psychedelicist]

Suicide, while wrong, is not sinful because it's "murdering oneself". It's sinful because it's an attempt to correct God. Murder is generally spiteful and selfish but not a correction. Suicide is telling God He made a mistake by creating that person.

but by that logic modern medicine is sinful as well...?

 

[allhart]

My so-called repentance? I'm just telling you what the Bible says. This is cherry-picking at its best, folks.

You are picking and choosing out of principle you are under developed in. Are you growing in truth?

 

[Braunwyn]

*from the prostitution thread*

God's love is greater than our own. For our understanding on love is little. So we don't lean on our own understanding. For God's thoughts are not our thoughts, his way are not our ways. I based my faith in and around his love for all people and things. I think you need to look at the Bible in a subjective way. Based out of love. For God has a concern for and a love for his people. This is how truth is known and views are sewn. With having a personal relationship studing his word out of love an understanding of morality is grown. Which is not based on your own truth, but out of pure love. "His truth." May God bless you, may the love of God always follow you all the days of your life.

Umm, ok. I'm not really sure where we can go from here. I do believe that my morals are based in compassion. I also don't see how my moral code would be improved if I did believe in diety. Do you have something specific in mind?

 

[allhart]

*from the prostitution thread*

Umm, ok. I'm not really sure where we can go from here. I do believe that my morals are based in compassion. I also don't see how my moral code would be improved if I did believe in diety. Do you have something specific in mind?

I gravitate my compassions in a sense of justice form the freedom from sin..Based on Gods greater love,and knowledge of truth We can be slaves to our own demise "impurity's"Look for truth. God has given us freedom to choose. Which is based on the opportunity to sin. We create evil, not him. Your morals are based on the worldly things.On an illusion that God doesn't exist. On false presences. A lie by Lucifer or is there something else like , God getting in your way of your sin. By meaning God loving on you by getting in the way of your demise. Not wanting you to fall.

 

[Braunwyn]

I gravitate my compassions in a sense of justice form the freedom from sin..Based on Gods greater love,and knowledge of truth We can be slaves to our own demise "impurity's"Look for truth. God has given us freedom to choose. Which is based on the opportunity to sin. We create evil, not him. Your morals are based on the worldly things.On an illusion that God doesn't exist. On false presences. A lie by Lucifer or is there something else like , God getting in your way of your sin. By meaning God loving on you by getting in the way of your demise. Not wanting you to fall.

What I'm interested in hearing is how you think my morals would change if I one day believed in a diety...specifically. I understand how it changed for you because you've shared in the past that the choices you were making were damaging to yourself and others. What about people that actively refrain from harming others and themselves even tho they don't believe? Or maybe I'm not being clear with my questions.

 

[allhart]

What I'm interested in hearing is how you think my morals would change if I one day believed in a diety...specifically. I understand how it changed for you because you've shared in the past that the choices you were making were damaging to yourself and others. What about people that actively refrain from harming others and themselves even tho they don't believe? Or maybe I'm not being clear with my questions.

God sees more than we do. Like you and others have said God has hurt people ,but who was Gods compassion and justice given to. The one's that where evil doers Got what he saw as justice and the compassion was given to an individual or a people he was concerned about. Read Acts 28: 26-28 Your morals would take up principles that are developed with a clear understanding of what really liberates God people from sin.Which is in the the best interests of life based on true love,holiness and righteousness. You base decisions on life that are based out of genuine love for others ,but we don't always get it right.You don't have no more control over life than the best of the best ,but we all still sin.

 

[Braunwyn]

God sees more than we do. Like you and others have said God has hurt people ,but who was Gods compassion and justice given to. The one's that where evil doers Got what he saw as justice and the compassion was given to an individual or a people he was concerned about. Read Acts 28: 26-28 Your morals would take up principles that are developed with a clear understanding of what really liberates God people from sin.Which is in the the best interests of life based on true love,holiness and righteousness. You base decisions on life that are based out of genuine love for others ,but we don't always get it right.You don't have no more control over life than the best of the best ,but we all still sin.

Ok, that's all find and good but you aren't answering my questions. You and many others believe in a god but I don't see how that makes you more moral or righteous than anybody else. There are definately other religions that don't subscribe to the christian god that are more moral than what we see in christinaity. The jain's, for example, are morally superior imo.

At best I assume that if there were a god it would be amoral anyway. I really don't think morality extends beyond humans.

 

[allhart]

Ok, that's all find and good but you aren't answering my questions. You and many others believe in a god but I don't see how that makes you more moral or righteous than anybody else. There are definately other religions that don't subscribe to the christian god that are more moral than what we see in christinaity. The jain's, for example, are morally superior imo.

At best I assume that if there were a god it would be amoral anyway. I really don't think morality extends beyond humans.

O.K. enough said by me. I and others that have a personal relationship with God Take on Jesus character as we come to know him more. We are aren't all seasoned / veterans of the faith and have complete understanding of Gods will. Plainly we are sinners.We are only conduits worked through by Jesus in the world. If I was to convince you by my understanding. Someone else will convince you other wise.

 

[Braunwyn]

These types of questions are what inspired my joining CF. I saw a thread that was addressing similar issues...how can the godless be moral? or something similar.

 

[allhart]

These types of questions are what inspired my joining CF. I saw a thread that was addressing similar issues...how can the godless be moral? or something similar.

Ya know Braunwyn the relationship your needing isn't with me or Christians and it isn't about our failures as a Christian. Thats to easy. Its about God himself and ya know that it grieves him, hurts him. To have you stand against him. When all he wants ,is to love you.

 

[Braunwyn]

Ya know Braunwyn the relationship your needing isn't with me or Christians and it isn't about our failures as a Christian. Thats to easy. Its about God himself and ya know that it grieves him, hurts him. To have you stand against him. When all he wants ,is to love you.

Oh c'mon with the drama allhart lol. I'm not against god because I just don't believe in it. How can a person be against something they don't believe in? I'm just saying that I've heard the "godless folk can't have morals" argument on several occassion here and in RL and I find it to be a load of bull.

 

[allhart]

Oh c'mon with the drama allhart lol. I'm not against god because I just don't believe in it. How can a person be against something they don't believe in? I'm just saying that I've heard the "godless folk can't have morals" argument on several occassion here and in RL and I find it to be a load of bull.

As I referred to you in the scripture Romans 1:18-32 (1:20 states you have no excuse) and for you info. all of romans is doctrine of our faith. Core doctrine, but we take in other parts in context.

 

[Braunwyn]

As I referred to you in the scripture Romans 1:18-32 (1:20 states you have no excuse) and for you info. all of romans is doctrine of our faith. Core doctrine, but we take in other parts in context.

My position though is that Romans 1:18-32 is wrong. I have proof of that and see it in my life every day.

 

[allhart]

My position though is that Romans 1:18-32 is wrong. I have proof of that and see it in my life every day.

Warped minds have warped views. Right. God speed ,I state as you have been granted free will. For however lone he wills it. In my heart, I hope your not at a loss. For there is only two choices heaven or hell. God bless.

 

[Braunwyn]

Warped minds have warped views. Right. God speed ,I state as you have been granted free will. For however lone he wills it. In my heart, I hope your not at a loss. For there is only two choices heaven or hell. God bless.

Do you ever entertain the idea that you may be the one with a warped mind and hence warped views? The passage in question is cruel. When I read it I see the darkness in it and you think I should embrace such negativity? I don't understand why you or anyone would want that for people. And you fail to see how disprespectful you are. You seem to have flooded your brain with the same anger found in romans and you're just trying to pass it around.

 

[allhart]

Do you ever entertain the idea that you may be the one with a warped mind and hence warped views? The passage in question is cruel. When I read it I see the darkness in it and you think I should embrace such negativity? I don't understand why you or anyone would want that for people. And you fail to see how disprespectful you are. You seem to have flooded your brain with the same anger found in romans and you're just trying to pass it around.

You know nothing of what is in one's heart or mind. You can only pass judgment from the fruit one bare, however God sees into your mind and heart felt desires. Which proceeds your notion and inferiority in judgment.How you perceive who get compassion and who get justice is your inferiority. As I have stated before we all deserve death for our transgressions , but out of his grace on the contingency of forgiveness we receive favor /mercy.

 

[Braunwyn]

You know nothing of what is in one's heart or mind.

And neither do you but here we have this thread that you started.

You can only pass judgment from the fruit one bare,

Agreed and it's my position that the fruit you or any christian bears is no more or less than anyone else's.

however God sees into your mind and heart felt desires. Which proceeds your notion and inferiority in judgment.How you perceive who get compassion and who get justice is your inferiority.

This statement ^^^ really doesn't make sense. Can you re-word it?

As I have stated before we all deserve death for our transgressions , but out of his grace on the contingency of forgiveness we receive favor /mercy.

We all deserve death? I disagree with this. It's such a violent way of looking at life imo. Either way, you seem to spend more time focussing your energies on the negative rather than the compassion that Christ taught. Why is this? What do you get out of it?

 

[Beanieboy]

For the deference between Peter and Judas is repentance and restoration from Jesus Christ!

So, you are saying that it would have been better that Christ was not betrayed, and thus, not crucified?

 

[Beanieboy]

There was no change of ideals /mind or the asking of forgiveness! Hitler committed suicide as well and wasn't restored by repentance in Gods forgiveness or they would still be alive! They would stand as rock for righteousness sake! Not as the lost!

How do you know that Hitler didn't repent? Saul, before becoming "Paul" used to kill Christians. Are some people simply unsavable, according to you?