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So in what parts of the universe is the speed of light not 186,000 mps?


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I have read that ships are launched in the direction in which Earth is travelling in order to add Earth's velocity to the ship. Earth is travelling around the Sun at a relative speed of 65,000 mph. Yet, a ship is never described as going much faster than perhaps 47,000 mph even with gravity fly-by assists. The math doesn't add up. Am I missing something here?
 
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That, plus apathy.
Apathy might simply be an expression of our inherent tendency to self-destruct. You ever notice how we sometimes tend to sabotage ourselves and then can't quite figure out why we did it? Makes one wonder where such a tendency comes from. Reminds me of the film Forbidden Planet with its monsters from the Id.
 
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In other words you are basically talking about a huge gravity wave. Something not exactly easy to detect, even when it is being produced by something the size of a binary star.
 
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When we learn or shortly after harnessing the power of an matter/antimatter explosions, or merges, as in fusion of some sort...

By being able to harness, to have an matter/antimatter reactor or "engine" of some sort, would be when a type of warp drive could become a reality, if matter can go beyond the speed of light, that is...?

If not, with that kind of power source, many other options open up for us for the Good, I hope, of all humankind, and probably of course, ever more destructive weapons, and new ways to destroy ourselves in new, more inventive ways...

With that kind of power source, who knows what were capable of...

But, I'm certainly no expert... But, that would be my guess...

Peace,

God Bless!
 
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Sounds fascinating until one starts considering all the hazards.
Then all the glitter seems to fade.

 
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I don't see how one could warp space, or create a wormhole
without any passengers experiencing extreme distortion.

At some point I imagine your body being stretched out
over a few hundred miles (at least.) We are not that elastic.


That would prove extremely painful! Especially in the groin!
 
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Warp has already been discovered. It isn't knowledge because the world isn't ready for a cashless, free energy society.

You can't introduce warp without introducing the concept and reality of free energy - which would collapse most all world markets in a month - as they are now.
 
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How is warp drive theory related to a cashless society?
 
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How is warp drive theory related to a cashless society?

Because cash societies - especially between nations that use fiat currency - still rely on resource management and control as the backbone of capital generation. Not only would the world need to be cashless, but the would have to be an elimination of even the notion of a superpower, and the world nations must be united working together as citizens of the planet. No nation could solely own warp technology without being targeted for erasure, or unless every other nation could develop the technology too. This is one reason why nuclear arms races happened, and why "rogue" nations are trying to work the technology.

Free energy would kill the entire energy market (and capitalism altogether,) and before we get to warp drives, we would have to introduce free energy on a consumer level (it is already a reality, Tesla has crude working models.) There would have to be a justification (progression, LTE) as to how such a technology came to be - for the sake of the "thinking layperson."

But free energy would also allow for everyone's needs to be met, which would (ideally) catapult the world into the space age (as we will more likely work together for the common good of the world since we don't have to compete with each other for resources.) Basically, the predictive psychology is that we would need to be in a form of worldly socialism in order to be in the space age. This same philosophy was shown in most Sci if movies and shows.

It is also the philosophy of the "illuminaughty," but the means to which they reach the goal is the troubling part. But, you can see why they believe their logic is undeniable: it will propel the world into "unity, safety, and peace" where we can explore, learn and grow unbound, as all of our energy needs would be met. No more war, no more system, no more horrors...
 
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Yes, I am sure that predictive psychology would justify the scenario you describe given the general variables proposed. But what exactly are those technological variables which instigate the whole process is what seems to remain unclear. Please explain exactly what aspect of warp technology, which is initially directed at space exploration, would make this eventuality as unavoidable as described?
 
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Distorting spacetime itself, or finding a way to manipulate energy so that we you get an exotic matter boundary of protection to prevent your ship from breaking apart from FTL friction (space still has an alleged background radiation) takes enormous amounts of energy. It takes CERN 1/3 of the energy needs of Geneva to speed up proton beams to nearly the speed of light - with Lotentz factor going to infinity. So, we need a "limitless" energy source, or a way to manipulate waves so that they produce high energy effeciencies.

That is how it all flows from now to a cashless society with warp technology - the parameter is a perpetual energy source with efficency of at least 100%, or a limitless, concentrated energy source.
 
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It sounds like the math works out for he albucierre variety, the big catch is it requires negative energy, or negative gravity, for which there is very little support (possibly the universal expansion and maybe the casimir experiments hint that such negatives might be feasible). But if we can figure out a way to stretch space without the use of speed or mass we would clear one of the hurdles for it.

It is also going to require a lot of energy. Also it might be too costly to stretch and compress space to the point where you are getting a sort of ftl effect... But it might be more feasible to use it to augment a standard engine.

If it is doable, id say its still a long ways off (however i am optimistic that it iscdoable in some manner)
 
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The destructive imagination of mankind is definitely something to be wary of when we consider technological advancements. The discovery of how to harness nuclear energy was initially hailed as a panacea until its hideous destructive possibilities became evident during WWII. So it isn't hard to imagine that advancement in FTL or Warp Drive technology would also pose the same kind of horrifying eventualities.

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Just recently I read an article on how an entire lunar colony could be obliterated by rods which would depend on only their kinetic energy for their destructive potential. How these could easily be deployed in orbit or used during some far future military conflict in space was meticulously described. So mankind is always tinkering with both aspects of its creative capabilities.
 
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I prefer travel VIA stargate.

This is actually a lot more practical - punching holes in dimensions adjacent to the place in space you want to go.

It wouldn't require as much energy as a warp drive.
 
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I guess we will be restricted to attempts at approaching a significant percentage of light speed for a long while. Only four ship days to Alpha Centauri system at 99% light speed. Four years Earth time.
 
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