Warning, the website www.carm.org

[Brooklyn Knight]

Slick, is this the guy who countered a Catholic by saying something like "irrelevant because you" or "Catholics are going to hell" when he gets stumped?

 

[freezerman2000]

I agree, this website is also very anti Catholic is most forums such as the Baptist Forum, the Theology forums and so forth. They ask questions like, why do Catholics worship the pope, then laugh about it afterwards. It's ridiculous, plus in a Baptist forum were I was debating a Baptist on once saved always saved ofcorse they report me and kick me out there threads, what heretics.

Are they heretics or hypocrites? The latter would describe them better to me.
Both to me are just as bad as the other.

Some folks think that the report button is a cure all if they run out of "umph" for their position, which is sad, because in the long run it isn't.

 

[RomanRite]

Slick, is this the guy who countered a Catholic by saying something like "irrelevant because you" or "Catholics are going to hell" when he gets stumped?

Yup

 

[RomanRite]

Are they heretics or hypocrites? The latter would describe them better to me.
Both to me are just as bad as the other.

Some folks think that the report button is a cure all if they run out of "umph" for their position, which is sad, because in the long run it isn't.

It's very sad, I actually have to go to my old Protestant Church next month some time in July to help babysit children, and since the Pastors know I'm a Catholic now, there going to want to debate me as they wanted to last year.

It's sad because all Protestants want to do is debate because they think they can interpurate scripture correct which is false, because there are 35,000+ denominations in Protestantism trying to interpurate scripture and claim the holy spirit is guiding all of them, but they all have different doctrines. Who speeks for God today in Protestantism? They are all false, Jeaus wanted One Flock which is the Catholic Church, not 35,000 sheep stealing groups. They all are wolves in sheeps clothing if you ask me, right? They contradict scripture and claim the Catholic Church does, yet our teachings were taught for 2000 years, and yet Protestants don't get it that there interpurations are false, the bible does mention that people will twist scripture to fit there doctrines, which is sad.

For example once saved always saved contradicts scripture.

Getting saved through a pastor to accept God as your personal Lord and savior isent in scripture eather.

And you know what's very sad about Protestantism? They take almost everything symbolic such as the Euchurist. What's even worse is that some Protestant denominations such as Presbyterians take Baptism symbolic when Christ clearly states it saved you, and those who arnt born of water and spirit will not enter the kingdom.

 

[freezerman2000]

Do you feel the same about Episcopalians? I'm one of those.

 

[John the Roman]

I've been to that website just to read a few of their threads...it's totally ridiculous. I'm often left scratching my head: do those people seriously believe what they believe about Catholics or is it just a trolling against Catholics website? It seems to be both. Oddly enough, I think I remember dropping into their Orthodox discussion sub-forums. There's almost like 0 activity in that sub-forum, but there's a gajillion active threads condemning Catholicism and calling us stupid.

It's almost like the Christian version of 4chan (thesitethatshallnotbenamed) minus the porn+anime, and reminds me of a video game forum I visit where the majority are evangelical atheists.

How ironic that website is about apologetics, yet Catholics are not allowed to defend their position. It will be an entertaining road to Hell, that's for sure.

Then again, CF is almost just as bad. You won't believe the rampant anti-Catholicism on this website, and the stupidity I read. It's a good thing that these forums are at least moderated, because you could be rest assured that if it wasn't, OBOB would become CARM-Jr.

HAH I can sympathize with this! I think a lot of it certainly seems like a place for trolls who aren't really serious about learning anything. I also go to mariokartwii.com forums and it's filled with secular fundamentalists and evangelical atheists!

Orthodoxy has many of the same beliefs as we do so it is curious how little they are attacked (except for the even more wackadoodle Westboro Baptists!). In case an Easterner happens to read this, I just tell them that yes, I know we Westerners are so "juridical" "hyper-rational" and "alien to the ways of the East" but you can't deny how much we actually do have in common!

 

[RomanRite]

Do you feel the same about Episcopalians? I'm one of those.

Well the Episcopalian Church is a Protestant sect, and I do welcome you to come home to Rome. The Roman Rite Catholic Church aka Latin Rite and the Episcopal Church have lots in common when it comes to liturgy, but the doctrine of the Episcopal Church is not fully correct such as wemon priests, invalid sacraments etc.

I welcome you to come to the Church. The one Jesus Established.

God Bless

 

[John the Roman]

I'm in agreement about Episcopalians. There are many holy and Christ-loving protestants out there, Episcopalians included, but they are not in communion with Rome, and Apostolicae Curiae speaks on the invalidity of Anglican Orders. It wasn't just a change in Ordination rites, but also a change in the understanding of the priesthood.

I say all this as charitably as I can but it is hard to sugarcoat it. Rome has spoken!

God bless, Freezerman!

 

[RomanRite]

I'm in agreement about Episcopalians. There are many holy and Christ-loving protestants out there, Episcopalians included, but they are not in communion with Rome, and Apostolicae Curiae speaks on the invalidity of Anglican Orders. It wasn't just a change in Ordination rites, but also a change in the understanding of the priesthood.

I say all this as charitably as I can but it is hard to sugarcoat it. Rome has spoken!

God bless, Freezerman!

Many Episcopal/Anglican Churches are coming back to Rome, same with most Lutheran Churches as well.

 

[WarriorAngel]

CARM is chick tracts in living motion.
Lets face it - if they couldnt criticize the CC - they wouldnt even exist.
Just a way to bully Catholics - and feel superior.
I learned a while ago not to waste time with obtuse minions.

RomanRite - dont go to the other forums and debate - which thankfully is a rule we have at CF - or OBOB - would be CARM as was already mentioned - and basically - as we can report - they can report. GO to GT - keep it there.

 

[Noldoxis]

I honestly think Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and other "cultists" attacked by that website are more Christian than the people at Carm; the "cultists" have a sense of God actually delegating authority to those he chooses; whereas people like those at Carm are like, "I studied the Bible and Christianity at a Seminary, I'm conservative, and I'm American, so, logically, I can define the parameters of Christianity and act in God's name." So Carm.

 

[Shadow316]

Catholics on here do the same thing to the non Catholics.

And CA is horribly nasty to and about those who aren't Catholic. I've read on CARM too - the Catholics on there can't support their beliefs with scripture, talk in circles (not unusual for Catholics) and ignore questions others ask them because they have no answers.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

Catholics on here do the same thing to the non Catholics.

And CA is horribly nasty to and about those who aren't Catholic. I've read on CARM too - the Catholics on there can't support their beliefs with scripture, talk in circles (not unusual for Catholics) and ignore questions others ask them because they have no answers.

Ummm yeah, I've never really noticed this out of Catholics. They're typically intelligent and knowledgeable in the faith. They typically answer everything thrown at them, it's just that hardcore Protestants don't accept their answers because it isn't always from Scripture.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

Also, I like CAF, but I'm in the minority here on CF. They're hardcore in the faith and there's very little liberalism and PC nonsense.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

The lack of bleeding heart liberals is the only thing about CAF that I like infinitely better than OBOB. OBOB has a tremendously liberal group, and they love to play devil's advocate and debate the smallest issues. They go out of their way to defend the LGBT agenda, and it is mind-blowing.

But CAF is an ugly type of Catholicism if you ask me. It's the "packaged" talking points brand of apologetics Catholicism. It's a Jimmy Aiken propaganda Scott Hahnish memorized bunch of tracts and defense fliers type of Catholicism that is thoroughly unpleasant. I have observed over the years that a great deal of Catholics on that site are former evangelicals who were sola scriptura who found an allure with Catholicism for all the wrong reasons. They took using the Bible as a manual for debate and apologetics and feeling a sense of superiority rubbing it in people's faces and then converted to Catholicism using the PAPACY and magisterium as the new manual and superiority go-to for debate and talking points preaching.

There are SO MANY REASONS to become Catholic. CAFers seem to always seek the wrong reasons.

Conservative or not, that site is ruthless, the mods are brutally jealous and personal, and the place is toxic.

Also, I like CAF, but I'm in the minority here on CF. They're hardcore in the faith and there's very little liberalism and PC nonsense.

 

[SalusaSecundus]

Avoid the website CARM - Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

This is a anti Catholic website Carm which stands for Christian Apologetics Research Ministries, which is a very misleading anti Catholic website ran by Matt Slick, which he teaches that the Catholic Church isent Christian, it's Pagen in his view and is the W.O.B.

He also twists up versus from the Catechism saying we as Catholics worship Mary and Saints and the Pope and many more. As you can see he makes up things about the Catholic Church on what he wants the Church to believe by his own negative false opinions.

God Bless

Carm is an arena.

And it's a remarkably tolerant one. Much more so than Catholic Answers. No one ever got banned from Carm for "Contempt for Protestantism".

I cross swords there a lot. I enjoy it. Being a Lutheran puts me in a weird position though as it usually does. But I don't want a website where everyone will simply agree with me.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Being a prison planet used by padisha emperors with conditions almost as nasty and harsh as Arrakis where Sardukar train for the toughest environments, you should know that you'd bring conflict to CAF!

Carm is an arena.

And it's a remarkably tolerant one. Much more so than Catholic Answers. No one ever got banned from Carm for "Contempt for Protestantism".

I cross swords there a lot. I enjoy it. Being a Lutheran puts me in a weird position though as it usually does. But I don't want a website where everyone will simply agree with me.

 

[pdudgeon]

agreed, CARM is toxic for a lot of people, including those who are WOF (Word of Faith). On the CARM site it is perfectly legal to wage all out war against anyone who is WOF.

Likewise people from CARM seemingly delight in coming here to CF and habitually attacking our members in a number of various CF forums...not just in OBOB.

basically their goal is not just to win debate points, but to do so in a way that is designed to decimate the posting numbers of the site being attacked, and to drive away site members, leaving a shell of a forum behind them.

They do this via heated debate which creates a hostile atmosphere for other posters that they engage in debate, and also by reporting against the site members to the site staff; essentially using that staff against it's own members.

There are some folks who come in that it's ok to engage in debate, as they have a respect for the site rules. That's not true about members from CARM.

 

[SalusaSecundus]

Being a prison planet used by padisha emperors with conditions almost as nasty and harsh as Arrakis where Sardukar train for the toughest environments, you should know that you'd bring conflict to CAF!

The spice must flow.

 

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