War On Christmas?

[Chesterton]

Pro-Palestinian protesters, one carrying swastika, swarm Midtown in bid to derail Rockefeller Center Christmas tree lighting

Waving Palestinian flags and signs calling for the “end to genocide,” the ralliers gathered along Sixth Avenue alongside hordes of tourists waiting in line to see the iconic ceremony.

nypost.com

Obviously nothing symbolizes Israel or Jews more than a Christmas tree, right? Makes perfect sense to try to derail the lighting that so many people enjoy. Or maybe there's something more on the minds of the barbarians inside our gates...

 

[Pommer]

Yes, this is how “protesting” is done.
Unrelated people and issues are disrupted because of protests (for/against) [ISSUE HERE].
And here we are talking about it.
Protest successfully done!

 

[Chesterton]

I think I see what you're saying. You're affirming the old showbiz adage that "there's no such thing as bad publicity". I disagree. I'm not going to "protest" radical Islam by derailing some innocent people's Easter egg hunt. It would only make me look stupid and mean.

 

[Pommer]

I think I see what you're saying. You're affirming the old showbiz adage that "there's no such thing as bad publicity". I disagree. I'm not going to "protest" radical Islam by derailing some innocent people's Easter egg hunt. It would only make me look stupid and mean.

What was the last thing that got you out into the streets to voice your opinion over?

 

[Chesterton]

What was the last thing that got you out into the streets to voice your opinion over?

No but seriously, that would be the time I protested the Columbia Broadcasting System cancelling Gilligan's Island in 1967. Unfortunately I was the only one out in the street and I got hit by a car, but that's okay, it only adds victimhood to my virtue. But I'll admit I've held mildly racist sentiments against Columbians ever since then.

No but seriously, I grew up in a small walnut farming community. Every year we had a walnut parade where someone was chosen as Walnut King and got to ride on a float in the parade. This one year I just knew I deserved to be chosen but instead they gave the title to that jerk Todd again, no doubt due to his dad's illicit underground business operation if you know what I mean. I protested that but again, I was the only one in the street and this time I got hit by a float, but that's on me because I've never been very quick or agile.

No but seriously, I don't get the point of your question.

 

[Pommer]

No but seriously, that would be the time I protested the Columbia Broadcasting System cancelling Gilligan's Island in 1967. Unfortunately I was the only one out in the street and I got hit by a car, but that's okay, it only adds victimhood to my virtue. But I'll admit I've held mildly racist sentiments against Columbians ever since then.

No but seriously, I grew up in a small walnut farming community. Every year we had a walnut parade where someone was chosen as Walnut King and got to ride on a float in the parade. This one year I just knew I deserved to be chosen but instead they gave the title to that jerk Todd again, no doubt due to his dad's illicit underground business operation if you know what I mean. I protested that but again, I was the only one in the street and this time I got hit by a float, but that's on me because I've never been very quick or agile.

No but seriously, I don't get the point of your question.

Other people feel strongly about an issue and “disrupt things” on purpose to raise awareness about what has them doing these crazy things.
I have protested various injustices and grave environmental policies; granted I haven’t hit the pavements in decades but I did some sign holding and picketing and such.
I was curious what got your hackles up enough to do such.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Pro-Palestinian protesters, one carrying swastika, swarm Midtown in bid to derail Rockefeller Center Christmas tree lighting

Waving Palestinian flags and signs calling for the “end to genocide,” the ralliers gathered along Sixth Avenue alongside hordes of tourists waiting in line to see the iconic ceremony.

nypost.com

Obviously nothing symbolizes Israel or Jews more than a Christmas tree, right? Makes perfect sense to try to derail the lighting that so many people enjoy. Or maybe there's something more on the minds of the barbarians inside our gates...

It looks to me like there's quite a bit of misunderstanding and disorientation on both sides of the picket line ...

Let's see what we have here:

1) On one side of things, we have some overly liberal folks who apparently don't realize the incongruence of associating Judaism and/or modern political concepts of "Israel" with a Christmas time celebration.

2) On the other side of things, we have some others----a mix of liberal, traditional, maybe a pinch of conservative folks----who want to enjoy the lighting of a winter time tree but who don't realize the confusion it brings to plant that tree right over a statue of Prometheus but still call it a "Christmas Tree."

Gee.............................................. whiz................................................... people!!! It doesn't get any better than this. Good Times!

 

[Chesterton]

Other people feel strongly about an issue and “disrupt things” on purpose to raise awareness about what has them doing these crazy things.
I have protested various injustices and grave environmental policies; granted I haven’t hit the pavements in decades but I did some sign holding and picketing and such.
I was curious what got your hackles up enough to do such.

I've never done such things.

 

[Chesterton]

It looks to me like there's quite a bit of misunderstanding and disorientation on both sides of the picket line ...

Let's see what we have here:

1) On one side of things, we have some overly liberal folks who apparently don't realize the incongruence of associating Judaism and/or modern political concepts of "Israel" with a Christmas time celebration.

I think it's high time we stop calling such folks "liberal". I never took hate, violence and genocide as being liberal values, but, maybe I've always been wrong.

2) On the other side of things, we have some others----a mix of liberal, traditional, maybe a pinch of conservative folks----who want to enjoy the lighting of a winter time tree but who don't realize the confusion it brings to plant that tree right over a statue of Prometheus but still call it a "Christmas Tree."

Gee.............................................. whiz................................................... people!!! It doesn't get any better than this. Good Times!

If a pagan or an atheist or a Jew stands next to a Christmas tree, that doesn't somehow make it not a Christmas tree.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I think it's high time we stop calling such folks "liberal". I never took hate, violence and genocide as being liberal values, but, maybe I've always been wrong.

Would you rather than I call them "Neo-Marxists"?

If a pagan or an atheist or a Jew stands next to a Christmas tree, that doesn't somehow make it not a Christmas tree.

 

[Chesterton]

Would you rather than I call them "Neo-Marxists"?

If you refer back to the OP you'll see that I called them barbarians. I think that's fitting.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

If you refer back to the OP you'll see that I called them barbarians. I think that's fitting.

Maybe so, but I'm not sure that you're getting the gist of what I was saying in my first post. My whole point is that there is ideological confusion all over, even on "both" [are there two sides?] political sides, even where this thing called "Christmas" is concerned.

But yeah, where simply acknowledging that a peaceful gathering of people who have come together to celebrate the lighting of a "yuletide" tree has been made the center of an attempted disruption by hyper-ventilating and caustic social warriors, I suppose we could lean toward citing the attempted incursion as being a group of "barbarians."

 

[Chesterton]

Maybe so, but I'm not sure that you're getting the gist of what I was saying in my first post. My whole point is that there is ideological confusion all over, even on "both" [are there two sides?] political sides, even where this thing called "Christmas" is concerned.

I guess you're right, I'm not getting it. I'm not experiencing any ideological confusion.

But yeah, where simply acknowledging that a peaceful gathering of people who have come together to celebrate the lighting of a "yuletide" tree has been made the center of an attempted disruption by hyper-ventilating and caustic social warriors, I suppose we could lean toward citing the attempted incursion as being a group of "barbarians."

I agree.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I guess you're right, I'm not getting it. I'm not experiencing any ideological confusion.

I wasn't implying that you, yourself, are experiencing ideological confusion. I was merely implying that I think that where the specific "Christmas" event under discussion is concerned (which I saw part of in dazzling display on T.V. the other night), there was apparent confusion about "Christimas" exhibited on both "sides" (with both sides being diverse in nature, ironically) represented at that event.

My problem is that I'm just not a fan of Prometheus. When I see that sort of thing, it's makes me want to go all Mary Shelley on people.

 

[Chesterton]

I wasn't implying that you, yourself, are experiencing ideological confusion. I was merely implying that I think that where the specific "Christmas" event under discussion is concerned (which I saw part of in dazzling display on T.V. the other night), there was apparent confusion about "Christimas" exhibited on both "sides" (with both sides being diverse in nature, ironically) represented at that event.

I still don't get it. The people who came out to watch a Christmas tree lighting are confused about Christmas? I don't know where you're getting that. It wasn't in the article I linked.

My problem is that I'm just not a fan of Prometheus. When I see that sort of thing, it's makes me want to go all Mary Shelley on people.

Well you better not go near the U.S. Supreme Court building then. There is sculpture of pagans there. Even a depiction of Muhammad. A bit of a wonder why his followers haven't blown that building up yet. Any day now, I'm sure.

 

[Goonie]

Have we won yet?

 

[Pommer]

I've never done such things.

I’m very glad that you’ve lived such a charmed (blessed?) life that nothing riled you up to the point of going out into the streets to protest the goings-on that might have left you with no choice but to take to the streets to voice your displeasure.

 

[Hans Blaster]

If a pagan or an atheist or a Jew stands next to a Christmas tree, that doesn't somehow make it not a Christmas tree.

But they do wilt.

 

[Desk trauma]

But they do wilt.

Add sprite or ginger ale to the water, perks them right up.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I still don't get it. The people who came out to watch a Christmas tree lighting are confused about Christmas? I don't know where you're getting that. It wasn't in the article I linked.

You probably would get it if you've seen the Prometheus statue I'm referring to. I guess some folks thinks it's a "Christian Angel" or something, along with the astrological signs that were also floating around the background.

Of course, I have to admit that Cher looked pretty good for the age she is. There was that at least.

Well you better not go near the U.S. Supreme Court building then. There is sculpture of pagans there. Even a depiction of Muhammad. A bit of a wonder why his followers haven't blown that building up yet. Any day now, I'm sure.

I think you're misunderstanding me and reading too much into what it is you 'think' I'm implying. I fully realize there are a boat load of statues here, there and everywhere that aren't so appropos from a Christian standpoint. I'm not going to do anything about any of that other than flick my tongue at it with the wisdom of a serpent.