War? Inevitable? Is it the end times.

[FutureAndAHope]

I am interested in what you guys and gals who seek the LORD think on this issue. I have had a couple of dreams about a war with Russia, and how it is linked to the end times being upon us. I saw a war with Russia and its allies followed at the very end by what appeared to be a demonic invasion of earth that took on the visible form of an alien invasion. i.e. demons pretending to be aliens.

 

[God bless Joshua]

The 4th Seal speaks about war that will kill 1/4 of the world.

THE WORLD IS NOW PUSHING ISRAEL TO ACCEPT THE TWO STATE SOLUTIONS AND DIVIDE JERUSALEM WITHOUT ANY GOOD RESULT.
There will be no peace until the antichrist (the prince) comes and make the 7 years covenant
between Israel and Arab enemies.
Dan 9:26...and the PEOPLE OF THE PRINCE THAT SHALL COME shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; 27 And he (the ROMAN PRINCE) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week

History shows there has never been any 7 years covenant between Israel and their Arab enemies, so this ONE WEEK COVENANT IS THE FINAL WEEK OF DANIEL which is the final 7 years of Great Tribulation.

Antichrist cannot make the 7 years peace covenant before the 1st seal is opened where he will be empowered to make peace.
Dan 8:25....and by peace shall destroy many..


Because antichrist is restrained now until the Holy Spirit is removed with the church
2 Thes 2:7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the One who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and abolish by the majesty of His arrival.

The world is now expecting peace in M.E. especially between Israel-Arabs.

We are on the final moment of the end times where the antichrist looking at this situation will come up to seize the whole world, after the Holy Spirit and the church is taken to heaven.

The fake messiah will build the 3rd temple beside the mosque as the symbol of "peace".
Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles:

The court is where the mosque in now built.

1 Thes 5:3 While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

This destruction after peace will happen after the antichrist is launched with the 1st seal opening to make 7 years peace covenant between Israel-Arab enemies (2 States Solution) and other parts of the world (the devil will stop the war he is making), which will begin the final 70th week of Daniel/ 7 YEARS OF GREAT TRIBULATION WILL BEGIN WITH "PEACE".

Jerusalem shall be made an int'l city by the UN
Rev 11:2 ...and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

After that short moment of fake peace people will yell :"Peace and Safety !"
They saw peace made by the "messiah" in the M.E. and the world, the Temple of God side by side with the mosque as the symbol of Peace in an int'l city owned by all nations (Jerusalem), what else would people be expecting ?

Then all of a sudden, after a short period of peace, peace will be removed from the world
Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

2 Thes 2:10 THEY PERISH BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO LOVE THE TRUTH AND SO BE SAVED.

 

[timewerx]

I never had a prophetic dream about WWIII.

But I had tons of dreams of some sort of alien invasion. I can't be so sure it's alien. Because the invaders, they seem synthetic / artificial in nature.

They are microscopic-sized robots that can assemble together to form more familiar shapes as disguises.

They kill by getting inside people and making them sick and could consume any matter (inc non-organic matter like cars, and things) to reproduce.

They can be man-made but the nature is so technologically advanced, it's possibly alien or artificial intelligence.

They seemed to have infected the majority and eventually kill them but left behind a few people unharmed.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

The 4th Seal speaks about war that will kill 1/4 of the world.

THE WORLD IS NOW PUSHING ISRAEL TO ACCEPT THE TWO STATE SOLUTIONS AND DIVIDE JERUSALEM WITHOUT ANY GOOD RESULT.
There will be no peace until the antichrist (the prince) comes and make the 7 years covenant
between Israel and Arab enemies.
Dan 9:26...and the PEOPLE OF THE PRINCE THAT SHALL COME shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; 27 And he (the ROMAN PRINCE) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week

History shows there has never been any 7 years covenant between Israel and their Arab enemies, so this ONE WEEK COVENANT IS THE FINAL WEEK OF DANIEL which is the final 7 years of Great Tribulation.

Antichrist cannot make the 7 years peace covenant before the 1st seal is opened where he will be empowered to make peace.
Dan 8:25....and by peace shall destroy many..


Because antichrist is restrained now until the Holy Spirit is removed with the church
2 Thes 2:7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the One who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and abolish by the majesty of His arrival.

The world is now expecting peace in M.E. especially between Israel-Arabs.

We are on the final moment of the end times where the antichrist looking at this situation will come up to seize the whole world, after the Holy Spirit and the church is taken to heaven.

The fake messiah will build the 3rd temple beside the mosque as the symbol of "peace".
Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles:

The court is where the mosque in now built.

1 Thes 5:3 While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

This destruction after peace will happen after the antichrist is launched with the 1st seal opening to make 7 years peace covenant between Israel-Arab enemies (2 States Solution) and other parts of the world (the devil will stop the war he is making), which will begin the final 70th week of Daniel/ 7 YEARS OF GREAT TRIBULATION WILL BEGIN WITH "PEACE".

Jerusalem shall be made an int'l city by the UN
Rev 11:2 ...and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

After that short moment of fake peace people will yell :"Peace and Safety !"
They saw peace made by the "messiah" in the M.E. and the world, the Temple of God side by side with the mosque as the symbol of Peace in an int'l city owned by all nations (Jerusalem), what else would people be expecting ?

Then all of a sudden, after a short period of peace, peace will be removed from the world
Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

2 Thes 2:10 THEY PERISH BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO LOVE THE TRUTH AND SO BE SAVED.

Hmmm ... I have to disagree on one point the suffering of the church. The antichrist persecutes the church, so I don't see us leaving any time soon, we will be around to suffer.

I am in the process of doing up a document to inform Christians on this matter. My draft follows:

It is my feeling that we may soon be entering the time when Jesus returns. As opposed to what some say, I don’t believe that there will be any rapture, Christians will not leave the earth before the time of tribulation. I would like to present some thoughts on what to expect as a Christian, and how to hopefully deal with it. There are some key scriptures to lean on at this time. The first is the scriptures of faith, Jesus told His disciples that they could ask anything, and God would do it, he said that small faith could move even physical mountains, a real hill, a real mountain. God has injected that kind of power into the earth, the bigger the problem the bigger the action needed to overcome it. You can pray for and seek protection in God’s power. However for some God will allow physical suffering to take place. A passage from Daniel describes this:


Dan 11:32-35 … but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.



The above passage I believe is saying, at the time of the end, which I feel may be coming, that the following things will happen. People of understanding, those who know God, you and me, will do Spiritual exploits, be kept safe in trouble, be given power to survive things that may be other won’t. Yet there will come a time where we shall be put to death, imprisoned, and despoiled of possessions. Some of us will suffer, to purge us of ourselves, to make us fit to carry Christs name.



But not every one will suffer through death, some will be imprisoned, there will most likely be levels of loss to us, some may suffer more than others. The more you suffer the greater your reward in heaven.



Rev 13:7-10 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.



Will you suffer, I don’t know. Will I, again I don’t know. Just be prepared to stand up for your faith, and know that there may come a time of suffering.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

But I had tons of dreams of some sort of alien invasion. I can't be so sure it's alien. Because the invaders, they seem synthetic / artificial in nature.

The dreams I had they were also synthetic looking, blue, kind of small, pointy ears. Hope you don't think I'm crazy, but that was my dream.

The second End Times dream that I had, was very vivid it appeared very real, and I had an urgency that it was happening now. I saw an army approaching me, and about to be upon me, in the middle of them was a Russian fighting vehicle, and at their head was a totally evil man with a beard, who was so evil, he had sown the breast of a woman to his chest. I felt like he was a rapist or a murderer. I saw three or four computer screens, and it felt like demons were plotting some thing. Then Aliens came toward the army. I saw aliens deceiving people, in some kind of flying car like things. When they deceived a person they would take them away in their vehicle, the person would become like the aliens, and suffer dreadful torment. Then the dream ended.

The dream felt like there was to be a war right now, or at least very soon, then I saw the slightly comical looking alien deception occuring during that war, or maybe after.

 

[timewerx]

The dreams I had they were also synthetic looking, blue, kind of small, pointy ears. Hope you don't think I'm crazy, but that was my dream.

Appearance wouldn't seem to matter since they can assume any form when I saw them in a dream.

They initially appeared in silicon semiconductor material in my dream but rapidly assimilated other materials which practically made them indestructible.

They first looked like computer chips...so it's funny to think, it may be possible, we created them by accident... But it thinked like a living being. All the tiny individuals were networked in some way and collectively, they functioned like a single, giant mind or computer.

They weren't entirely indiscriminate and didn't kill everyone. They killed most but left a few people behind, unharmed. They selected a few people for preservation.

Then Aliens came toward the army. I saw aliens deceiving people, in some kind of flying car like things. When they deceived a person they would take them away in their vehicle, the person would become like the aliens, and suffer dreadful torment. Then the dream ended.

The aliens in my dream wasn't this evil though so it could be different. When they killed, it didn't seem to cause much pain. They either killed swiftly and painlessly or caused sickness which eventually killed the person but not really with great pain.

 

[Tayla]

a war with Russia, and how it is linked to the end times being upon us.

Personally, I doubt anything in the news has anything to do with the Bible. Perhaps the final end will be when the earth dissolves when the sun expands to become the size of the earth's orbit 6 billion years from now.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

An old woman of 90 from Valdres in Norway had a vision from God in 1968. The evangelist Emanuel Minos had meetings (services) where she lived. He had the opportunity to meet her, and she told him what she had seen. He wrote it down, but thought it to be so unintelligible that he put it in a drawer. Now, almost 30 years later, he understands he has to share the vision with others.

The woman from Valdres was a very alert, reliable, awake and credible Christian, with a good reputation among all who knew her. This is what she saw:

"I saw the time just before the coming of Jesus and the outbreak of the Third World War. I saw the events with my natural eyes. I saw the world like a kind of a globe and saw Europe, land by land. I saw Scandinavia. I saw Norway. I saw certain things that would take place just before the return of Jesus, and just before the last calamity happens, a calamity the likes of which we have never before experienced.

She mentioned four waves:

1. "First before Jesus comes and before the Third World War breaks out there will be a ‘détente’ like we have never had before. There will be peace between the super powers in the east and the west, and there will be a long peace. (Remember, that this was in 1968 when the cold war was at its highest. E. Minos) In this period of peace there will be disarmament in many countries, also in Norway and we are not prepared when it (the war) comes. The Third World War will begin in a way no one would have anticipated - and from an unexpected place.

2. "A lukewarmness without parallel will take hold of the Christians, a falling away from true, living Christianity. Christians will not be open for penetrating preaching. They will not, like in earlier times, want to hear of sin and grace, law and gospel, repentance and restoration. There will come a substitute instead: prosperity (happiness) Christianity.

"The important thing will be to have success, to be something; to have material things, things that God never promised us in this way. Churches and prayer houses will be emptier and emptier. Instead of the preaching we have been used to for generations -like, to take your cross up and follow Jesus, - entertainment, art and culture will invade the churches where there should have been gatherings for repentance and revival. This will increase markedly just before the return of Jesus.

3. "There will be a moral disintegration that old Norway has never experienced the likes of. People will live together like married without being married. (I do not believe the concept ‘co-habitor’? existed in 1968 - E. Minos.) Much uncleanness before marriage, and much infidelity in marriage will become the natural (the common), and it will be justified from every angle. It will even enter Christian circles and we pet it - even sin against nature. Just before Jesus return there will be TV- programs like we have never experienced. (TV had just arrived in Norway in 1968. E. Minos)

"TV will be filled with such horrible violence that it teaches people to murder and destroy each other, and it will be unsafe in our streets. People will copy what they see. There will not be only one ‘station’ on TV, it will be filled with ‘stations.’ (She did not know the word ‘channel’ which we use today. Therefore she called them stations. E. Minos.) TV will be just like the radio where we have many ‘stations,’ and it will be filled with violence. People will use it for entertainment. We will see terrible scenes of murder and destruction one of the other, and this will spread in society. Sex scenes will also be shown on the screen, the most intimate things that takes place in a marriage." (I protested and said, we have a paragraph that forbids this kind of thing. E. Minos.) There the old woman said: "It will happen, and you will see it. All we have had before will be broken down, and the most indecent things will pass before our eyes."

4. "People from poor countries will stream to Europe. (In 1968 there was no such thing as immigration. E. Minos.) They will also come to Scandinavia - and Norway. There will be so many of them that people will begin to dislike them and become hard with them. They will be treated like the Jews before the Second World War. Then the full measure of our sins will have been reached (I protested at the issue of immigration. I did not understand it at the time. E. Minos.)

The tears streamed from the old woman’s eyes down her cheeks. "I will not see it, but you will. Then suddenly, Jesus will come and the Third World War breaks out. It will be a short war." (She saw it in the vision.)

"All that I have seen of war before is only child’s play compared to this one, and it will be ended with a nuclear atom bomb. The air will be so polluted that one cannot draw one’s breath. It will cover several continents, America, Japan, Australia and the wealthy nations. The water will be ruined (contaminated?). We can no longer till the soil. The result will be that only a remnant will remain. The remnant in the wealthy countries will try to flee to the poor countries, but they will be as hard on us as we were on them.

"I am so glad that I will not see it, but when the time draws near, you must take courage and tell this. I have received it from God, and nothing of it goes against what the Bible tells.

"The one who has his sin forgiven and has Jesus as Savior and Lord, is safe."

 

[GTW27]

"The one who has his sin forgiven and has Jesus as Savior and Lord, is safe"

 

[God bless Joshua]

Christians will not leave the earth before the time of tribulation.

Do you refuse to be taken alive ?
1 Cor 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds

In the vision of the Grief Tribulation, John saw a great multitude of people in heaven

John has been explained who are these multitude,
14....These are they which came out of great tribulation,
These multitude with their physical bodies wont suffer from hunger or heat or thirst any longer.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

Because their bodies will become incorruptible as prophesied by Paul :
1 Cor 15:52 in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come to pass: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

THE GREAT MULTITUDE CONSIST OF THE RESURRECTED CHRISTIANS SINCE THE EARLY CHURCH AND THE LIVING SAINTS.
1 Thes 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

JOHN HAS ALSO SEEN THE SOULS OF THE MARTYRS IN HEAVEN, THESE WERE ASKED TO BE PATIENT.

11...they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

THE MARTYRS UNDER THE ALTAR WHO DIED IN 7 YEARS OF GRIEF TRIBULATION WILL BE RESURRECTED TO RULE WITH CHRIST WHEN THE TRIBULATION IS OVER.
Rev 20:4 ....and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived again....

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them....
(1 Cor 6:2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world ?)

JESUS WILL THEN LEAD THESE PEOPLE TO BATTLE AT ARMAGEDDON AND TO CLAIM BACK THE WORLD
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

ANTICHRIST AND HIS ARMIES WILL KNOW THE TIMING OF THE 2ND COMING AND THEY WILL PREPARE TO BATTLE IN THE ARMAGEDDON FIELD AS THEY KNOW JESUS WILL COME TO CLAIM BACK THE WORLD.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.14...to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Do you refuse to be taken alive ?
1 Cor 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds

In the vision of the Grief Tribulation, John saw a great multitude of people in heaven

John has been explained who are these multitude,
14....These are they which came out of great tribulation,
These multitude with their physical bodies wont suffer from hunger or heat or thirst any longer.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

Because their bodies will become incorruptible as prophesied by Paul :
1 Cor 15:52 in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come to pass: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

THE GREAT MULTITUDE CONSIST OF THE RESURRECTED CHRISTIANS SINCE THE EARLY CHURCH AND THE LIVING SAINTS.
1 Thes 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

JOHN HAS ALSO SEEN THE SOULS OF THE MARTYRS IN HEAVEN, THESE WERE ASKED TO BE PATIENT.

11...they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

THE MARTYRS UNDER THE ALTAR WHO DIED IN 7 YEARS OF GRIEF TRIBULATION WILL BE RESURRECTED TO RULE WITH CHRIST WHEN THE TRIBULATION IS OVER.
Rev 20:4 ....and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived again....

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them....
(1 Cor 6:2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world ?)

JESUS WILL THEN LEAD THESE PEOPLE TO BATTLE AT ARMAGEDDON AND TO CLAIM BACK THE WORLD
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

ANTICHRIST AND HIS ARMIES WILL KNOW THE TIMING OF THE 2ND COMING AND THEY WILL PREPARE TO BATTLE IN THE ARMAGEDDON FIELD AS THEY KNOW JESUS WILL COME TO CLAIM BACK THE WORLD.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.14...to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Sorry to disappoint you? But I feel believe that you are wrong. The verse you quoted refers to those who actually killed and suffer IN the tribulation. The whole of scripture else where says that the beast will persecute the church, in both revelation and Daniel.

Rev 7:14-16 I told him, "Sir, you know." Then he told me, "These are the people who are coming out of the terrible suffering. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb. That is why: "They are in front of the throne of God and worship him night and day in his Temple. The one who sits on the throne will shelter them. They will never be hungry or thirsty again. Neither the sun nor its heat will ever beat down on them,

The reason this group of people get to be before the throne is that they gave their lives during the tribulation, they receive a place of honour.

How do you explain the church being persecuted by the beast?

Dan 11:32-35 … but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

Rev 13:7-10 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

You and I will suffer.

 

[God bless Joshua]

you are wrong.

Do you refuse to be taken alive ?
1 Cor 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Please look more carefully at scripture. ALL scripture shows the church will suffer. What you are showing is the verse which show what will happen when Jesus finally returns to earth. Do you not realise that we (who are alive) will be caught up to see Jesus.

Mar 13:24-6 "But after the suffering of those days, 'The sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light, the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of heaven will be shaken loose.' Then people will see 'the Son of Man coming in clouds' with great power and glory. He will send out his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven."

Look at that scripture, clearly the son of man comes AFTER the suffering of those days. And who is caught up AFTER the suffering? The church.