Wanting a Tattoo

[arj1981]

The only thing I would like to see is for you to answer my questions instead of constantly attacking my biblical literacy.

SOS, those are my answers to the scriptural references u keep posting to justify tattooing. Ur misconstruing scripture. Especially with that Revelation reference.

On His robe and on His thigh He has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS." (Rev. 19:16)

I've been debating on posting this verse, I finally decided to. This verse could be taken to mean that when Jesus comes back He will have a name on His leg...

Here's another:

"They will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads." (Rev. 22:4)

Could these verses mean that some tattoos could be considered "good"?

Again, the answer is no. I am answering ur questions.

 

[SoldierOfSoul]

SOS, those are my answers to the scriptural references u keep posting to justify tattooing. Ur misconstruing scripture. Especially with that Revelation reference.

There you go again.

 

[Boidae]

someone else posted all of those scripture references. Reread this thread for that plz.

Was hoping you would have answered. What the other person posted are the same thing from the same verse.

As far as I can recall, tattoos are only mentioned in the Bible once and Jesus never mentioned them.

In order for scripture to not be for a place such as the issue with woman with shorn hair and actually apply to all it must be mentioned three times in different scriptures or mentioned by Jesus.

I don't have any tattoos (have a fear of needles), but I see nothing wrong with them as long as done in moderation. If you obsess over them then it's probably not healthy for you spiritually.

 

[SoldierOfSoul]

Here are the questions again Arj, try real hard and answer them this time.

Was circumcision acceptable to God?

What about a cross on your arm in honour of the Lord's sacrifice for your soul?

In eternity the Lord Himself will mark His people, if this is the case and scripture clearly reveals it is. What would be the issue of marking a tattoo on yourself in honour of God and the Lord Jesus now in the physical?

 

[arj1981]

There you go again.

I can't help u, SOS. Sorry.

 

[arj1981]

Was circumcision acceptable to God? Yes.

What about a cross on your arm in honour of the Lord's sacrifice for your soul? No. A tattoo made of permanent ink and needles is NOT acceptable to GOD in any capacity. We keep trying to tell u that. This doesn't change anything.

In eternity the Lord Himself will mark His people, if this is the case and scripture clearly reveals it is. What would be the issue of marking a tattoo on yourself in honour of God and the Lord Jesus now in the physical? Again, the passage in Revelation is referring to a supernatural mark ONLY. NOTHING that will occur in the physical is what I keep trying to tell u. U keep misconstruing those verses in Rev. to mean GOD finds some man-made tattooing acceptable. This is not the case. Hopefully this answers ur questions.

Boiade, all of these answers should help u as well. I'm not going to go through and post verses that have been repeatedly posted up by others in this thread. That's a waste of time.
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[SoldierOfSoul]

Was circumcision acceptable to God? Yes.

So you agree that God has no problem with a mark on the flesh in show of a covenant with Him (not only does He have no problem with it, He instituted it)? Yet you only believe that He has a problem with ink, this seems a little extreme to me.

What about a cross on your arm in honour of the Lord's sacrifice for your soul? No. A tattoo made of permanent ink and needles is NOT acceptable to GOD in any capacity. We keep trying to tell u that. This doesn't change anything.

You don't know that for sure. The bible condemns marking for the dead and other pagan rites but it never mentions anything of a mark in honour of God (well other than circumcision of course) which is my point.

Again, the passage in Revelation is referring to a supernatural mark. NOTHING that will occur in the physical is what I keep trying to tell u

Well of course it's supernatural! I don't think God could do anything but supernatural because that is what He is. Yet in my understanding of the NT, Jesus has a resurrected human body now in the spiritual realm, a body that can be touched and nourished by food (John 20:27, John 21:15). Jesus has a supernatural but yet physical body and the same will be true of us when we are resurrected incorruptible through Jesus Christ (assuming you believe this and not in reincarnation). So what you pass off as utterly supernatural could have a much deeper and yet physical meaning then you perceive.

U keep misconstruing those verses in Rev. to mean GOD finds some man-made tattooing acceptable. This is not the case. Hopefully this answers ur questions.

I'm not misconstruing anything, I am only translating and interpretting a meaning as I see it, we disagree that is all. In my opinion I do not think God cares one way or the other about a Christian getting a tattoo as a sign of his/her faith as long as it is done in truth and sincerity.

 

[arj1981]

In my opinion I do not think God cares one way or the other about a Christian getting a tattoo as a sign of his/her faith as long as it is done in truth and sincerity

See, Terene. Sometimes nothing u say will work. It is ok. SOS, sorry. Can't keep repeating it. Peace.

To Terene,

Two-Decader, I think ur gonna frustrate urself into oblivion if u don't realize something crucial here. Many people who don't put in the work like u've been doing for the past 5 years just DON'T know their BIBLES too well. It is just a lot of regurgitated gibberish that they are spittin' - I got of the phone with a caller the other day who admitted this in fact. 'AJ, I thought this was right and that was right and u were wrong! Then I went to look this stuff up in the Word of GOD and I said Holy crap I really didn't know what I was talking about this entire time! She was right and I was wrong.' That's how it typically goes, TD. It is like a late reaction or delayed response type of thing. That's what I was saying about Bella. That girl's KNOWS that pic aint right. She just doesn't want to acknowledge it in front of all of us. She'll change her mind and take it down eventually. That's what I mean about relax some. Y they keep justifying tattooing IS bc they don't know their bibles too well. They really do think that GOD is saying this stuff just applied to the Israelites. NOT to the Christians of today. I know this is incorrect but he's not making ANY of it up to be difficult. In fact it is a common misconception that MANY Christians use to justify their sins. The next line will always be well I'm saved and I'm a Christian so that means Christ loves me no matter what. That same caller I spoke of earlier, found out he was wrong about that part too and he learned this lesson the hard way. He learned later that the Lord Jesus Christ will indeed convict us for our bad behavior and actions no matter how grave or small the sin. So ur on the right path and u recognize others aren't but don't work urself up into a tissy. It will all resolve itself in time.

Wouldn't u say the part I underlined is basically the point he's making in so many words? Told u I got the gift. The Lord will resolve all eventually.

 

[arj1981]

He learned later that the Lord Jesus Christ will indeed convict us for our bad behavior and actions no matter how grave or small the sin.

I think who I am referring to in this above statement should speak up. It is a great teachable moment. Not the specifics, just one or two words about GOD and Christ's conviction and how it really does exist and how real it is even for those who call themselves Christians. It is a common problem. So anyone can speak on this matter about Christ's conviction. It is a great teachable moment for ALL. Don't hesitate to share ur testimony.

 

[arj1981]

I'm really sorry for my question starting such a heated debate.

But I'm glad I still asked. I thought about this a lot tonight and then coming here this morning and reading more I finally decided to not go ahead with the tattoo, or any tattoo.

For the reasons listed here and for the fact that I'm too heavily unsure of it, and that must be for a reason. Therefore, I'll more than likely regret it way too much afterwards.

I've done enough in the past that I've regretted and been ashamed of, this will not be another one.

Thank you so much for helping me come to this conclusion.

I'm glad u made that choice. Missed this earlier. Stay pure. Don't compromise. NEVER listen to anyone telling u or instructing u to compromise either. That's a load of crap. It is a slippery slope from there on out. Still a teachable moment for all involved who want to talk about the Lord's conviction. I guess this is another post that proves this point as well.

 

[Boidae]

I'm glad u made that choice. Missed this earlier. Stay pure. Don't compromise. NEVER listen to anyone telling u or instructing u to compromise either. That's a load of crap. It is a slippery slope from there on out. Still a teachable moment for all involved who want to talk about the Lord's conviction. I guess this is another post that proves this point as well.

Not all will get convicted though and that's the thing.

I watch horror movies and have never felt conviction for doing so, but others I know have been convicted for whatever reason. The same can be said for tattoos.

The Holy Spirit knows best and will convict whom He convicts, but not all are convicted.

 

[SoldierOfSoul]

Not all will get convicted though and that's the thing.

I watch horror movies and have never felt conviction for doing so, but others I know have been convicted for whatever reason. The same can be said for tattoos.

The Holy Spirit knows best and will convict whom He convicts, but not all are convicted.

Something could be a sin to someone and not to another person. Example: Some have the freedom to drink a glass of wine or two but not another person, who may have struggled with addiction all his life, to drink even one glass would be sin to him.

Another example: A person who is ministering to people in the streets, who loves the Lord Jesus and is thankful for salvation, decides a good way to witness to the world would be to get a cross on his arm. Contrast this with someone who gets a tattoo of a gang sign or a naked woman and I think you will see my point.

 

[Boidae]

Something could be a sin to someone and not to another person. Example: Some have the freedom to drink a glass of wine or two but not another person, who may have struggled with addiction all his life, to drink even one glass would be sin to him.

Another example: A person who is ministering to people in the streets, who loves the Lord Jesus and is thankful for salvation, decides a good way to witness to the world would be to get a cross on his arm. Contrast this with someone who gets a tattoo of a gang sign or a naked woman and I think you will see my point.

Exactly!

 

[arj1981]

Boidae, I don't care. I was saying Christians should share their testimony ABOUT Christ's conviction. A lot of Christians don't realize it even exists. That's y I brought it up. The holy spirit will do the work in their hearts like in the case with the OP.

I just made a thread about it so it wouldn't confuse other posters or get missed. This is a huge subject change and I didn't want these two things running together. Plz post in this thread if u want to add to this conversation.

 

[Terene]

My brother you are so off. If you want to go by that logic well we can't celebrate Christmas and Easter because both of those were originally pagan holidays. And really evil ones at that! That is a faulty logic.

Please brother, do not accuse me of sinning! I have not and I have no need to repent! (Atleast not for my tattoos) You should check your facts too, getting a tattoo from a sterile and clean place is perfectly safe! I do not appreciate what you are saying and how you are saying it. What you are saying is out of legalism not love. With an ounce of contextual study of the Bible it is easy to see that modern tattoos are not forbidden! I am in no way "risking" my salvation! I do not serve a God that is petty about things, especially since my tattoos are about Him!

Please stop my friend... You are only hurting the body of Christ by making these accusations. I know hundreds of young men and women going into full time ministry that tattoos... And you know what? They love Jesus so much, they would give up everything in pursuit of Him... They are doing great things for God's Kingdom. All this with Tattoos.

Brother, I never celebrate Christmas and Easter, simply because none of Jesus' true disciples celebrated them. Do you not understand the severity of following human traditions rather than the Word of God in serving Him?

Tattooing, celebrating Easter and Christmas etc are ALL human traditions, invented by humans which does NOT take into account the Word of God and its commands to us. I don't mean to judge the hearts and intents of those who do these things in the Name of Christ, but YOU should know full well how Jesus Himself REBUKED the Pharisees for breaking God's commands by their human traditions!

The same applies to tattooing and celebrating festivals that are pagan in original. If the Lord rebuked the Pharisees two thousand years ago for following after human traditions, do you suppose He will relent and not rebuke YOU for following human traditions? Do you think He really approves of what YOU are doing when you IGNORE His commands?

I don't need to show my devotion to God by doing all these outward things, my devotion is in the heart and I show it by my obedience to His Word, NOT choosing my own ways to serve and worship Him. We worship Him in Spirit and in Truth, not with tattoos and Easter and Christmas! Repent and start obeying His Word today!

 

[Terene]

Two-Decader, I think ur gonna frustrate urself into oblivion if u don't realize something crucial here. Many people who don't put in the work like u've been doing for the past 5 years just DON'T know their BIBLES too well. It is just a lot of regurgitated gibberish that they are spittin' - I got of the phone with a caller the other day who admitted this in fact. 'AJ, I thought this was right and that was right and u were wrong! Then I went to look this stuff up in the Word of GOD and I said Holy crap I really didn't know what I was talking about this entire time! She was right and I was wrong.' That's how it typically goes, TD. It is like a late reaction or delayed response type of thing. That's what I was saying about Bella. That girl's KNOWS that pic aint right. She just doesn't want to acknowledge it in front of all of us. She'll change her mind and take it down eventually. That's what I mean about relax some. Y they keep justifying tattooing IS bc they don't know their bibles too well. They really do think that GOD is saying this stuff just applied to the Israelites. NOT to the Christians of today. I know this is incorrect but he's not making ANY of it up to be difficult. In fact it is a common misconception that MANY Christians use to justify their sins. The next line will always be well I'm saved and I'm a Christian so that means Christ loves me no matter what. That same caller I spoke of earlier, found out he was wrong about that part too and he learned this lesson the hard way. He learned later that the Lord Jesus Christ will indeed convict us for our bad behavior and actions no matter how grave or small the sin. So ur on the right path and u recognize others aren't but don't work urself up into a tissy. It will all resolve itself in time.

I think every christian should conform themselves to look as much like the rest of the world as possible, since many people don't tell you tattoos are addicting and most don't stop with just one, I personally think you should go extreme and have a Jesus face tattooed right over your face, NOW THAT WOULD BE MAKING A STATEMENT! just make sure you go to a reputable tattoo parlor, dirty needles are a nasty thing these days........while your in the tattoo place you will have a great opportunity to use your God given Spiritual Discernment......look around the room does the art work reflect godliness or things of the demonic, take a look in the tattoo book what is a popular tat these days........Oh an just so you understand, demons are alot like gang members they always tag their turf!

Dear brother and sister,

Please, don't give satan a chance to blaspheme the way of truth. Posting with sarcasm and impatience is also not acceptable. I urge you two to repent to God and ask for forgiveness, and ask God to guide you if you two want to expound the truth in this thread and expose satan's lies and false arguments.

We must be careful that satan does not incite us to impatience and sarcasm but rather let God's Holy Spirit guide us into all truth and in meekness and humility.

 

[znr]

Dear brother and sister,

Please, don't give satan a chance to blaspheme the way of truth. Posting with sarcasm and impatience is also not acceptable. I urge you two to repent to God and ask for forgiveness, and ask God to guide you if you two want to expound the truth in this thread and expose satan's lies and false arguments.

We must be careful that satan does not incite us to impatience and sarcasm but rather let God's Holy Spirit guide us into all truth and in meekness and humility.

Take your own advice and stop telling everyone to repent whose scriptural interpretation and application you happen to disagree with. I know you have a tender heart toward God, and I want you to know that I appreciate that; it is beautiful. But I'm starting to get pretty tired of being distracted by reading you shouting at everyone to repent. I'm getting close to filing a complaint about it. And I thought it would be fair to tell you first.

 

[arj1981]

TD, gospelisgood was using sarcasm. He just threw his hands up in the air and got sick of hearing all the excuses. That's y he responded like that. read his last statement. AND NEVER stop encouraging people to repent of their sins. ALL prophets in scripture were assigned that task. Repent for the kingdom of heaven is near. Thank you Jesus there is a GOD and He just proved 19 yr olds have a voice and they know how to use them. Oh no, I wasn't posting with impatience. I was telling u how to be more patient with others.

 

[Terene]

Please check your heart! Don't get down on someone like that! Especially a sister in Christ! Really, how can you justify that? You say we're hurting the body, but really your doing so much damage by judging something you don't even kind of understand! How can you say Bella is doing a "bad job" when you don't even know her? Seriously, check yourself!

And you're right I have I haven't always done a good job. I've made a lot of mistakes and I'm ok admitting that. Always being right isn't the point, always chasing after God is. And that is what I strive to do everyday. Tattoos are such trivial that have no significance to the Christian walk or life. They do not keep you from God and that is arrogant of anyone to say so! That's not fight about such dumb issues when there is a lost and hurting world out there that needs Jesus! I'll band together with my tattoos and all with people that don't have any and we'll go out and tell the world. You can come, or stay hooked on this small insignificant issue.

I'm done with this thread, nothing is getting solved and its just bickering back and forth. I hope you all seek Jesus in this issue, and don't just assume you're right in your presuppositions. Remember in all things use love for one an other, don't breed hate. I pray you all move on from this minuscule issue and go out to serve the lost and the hurting.

Peace out

If you have not realised, brother, all those who have spoken the truth in Bella's modelling thread are under MUCH spiritual ATTACK from the dark side. We did not all start out like this, but satan is wearing us out by his lies and false arguments that justify going against God's commands as "trivial" and "of no significance". How will the Lord respond to this when He sees His own children agreeing with the devil and taking sides with him against God!

You need to read how Bella responded to us in her modelling thread before you go on to say we are judging her and putting her down. Bella herself admitted that at least one of her photos is INAPPROPRIATE as a Christian, but yet she has not taken it down from this site and CONTINUES to put it up as an occasion of stumbling for the brethren! Now, do you think we are really putting her down and trying to make her life difficult? Or does not her ACTIONS tell you something about her faith and devotion to God?

Read my earlier response to you and decide if you would rather follow human traditions against God's commands, or would obey God and forsake all human traditions that are not pleasing to Him. I hope you will repent!

Without much regard to the topic at hand, if a non-christian was to stumble into this thread, I would be personally embarassed for Christians worldwide. There were great points throughout the discussion but they way that they were delivered was at times inappropriate. I personally have 4 tattoos and that probably wasn't the best thing I ever did but it definately isn't the worst. I honestly don't know if it right or wrong. I now have a renewed interest in finding out This thread didn't really help because I couldn't see past the arguing and personal vendettas. We all need to get our acts together. We are all brothers and sisters in Christ so let's at least be civil.

There is a battle going on here, and is being aggravated by the fact that some on this thread are agreeing with the devil's lies and arguments that tattooing is a trivial matter and can be done even if it means defying God's commands and ignoring His Word.

If we all will have a desire to obey God's Word and not follow after human traditions and our own desires, NONE of this would have happened. But unfortunately, satan has been given a chance to create tension in the Body of Christ because not all who posted here sees the importance of adhering to God's Word, and not all want to obey God even if it means giving up some "tattooing" pleasure.

 

[arj1981]

Please, don't give satan a chance to blaspheme the way of truth. Posting with sarcasm and impatience is also not acceptable.

Oh no, I wasn't posting with impatience. I was telling u how to be more patient with others.

TD, I might have worded this wrong initially. U DO have to use more finesse when talking with others. U want to be universal to draw more people to Christ. Not turn them off. For instance, Christ spoke in parables and got His message across. He didn't come across all fire & brimstone 100% of the time. That's what some of the posters here are commenting on. That's y I was trying to address this issue with u. So u can articulate ur point and be soft spoken or a little more level-headed at the same time. It is called being savvy. I'm like that. I'm saying I pick and choose my battles wisely and only play that fire & brimstone hand when I really need to. But every time I speak I never fail to get my point across. In fact, it is bc I know how to hold my composure and NEVER get heated that I can handle any confrontation LONG haul. So I have TONS of patience and forgiveness. Believe me. Some of these other posters will tell u.