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Wanting a Tattoo

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Bella, Terene's correct. Based off everything in this thread and in ur modeling thread, u just have a poor understanding of scripture. That's y I don't want to get into it with u. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtXOVKNazYU&feature=youtu.be&t=2m

Sorry but I don't have a poor understanding of scripture. Considering I have actually given historical reference as to what the scripture was talking about on this topic. Instead of just reading it and only focusing on the one word TATOO because there is a whole lot more back story to it than that. And I clearly gave it up above ^^^^
 
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I think you both are being too hard on Bella here, I have read many of her posts and her heart belongs to the Lord I'm sure, the way you two are so easily condemning and chastising your sister in Christ is very sad. These things are not that important.
 
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Perhaps we should all take a deep breath?

Terene, I think a lot of that is passive aggressive retaliation stemming from the other debate. Please don't take it personal. U know ur stuff. U know what I say, don't hate.

Thank you for your advices, brethren. Yes, I am getting a little emotional and anxious, and I need to calm down. Don't worry though, I don't hate anyone nor do I have resentment against anyone. I am just appalled and alarmed and anxious to see a professing Christian saying such words in refute to a direct command from our God.

May God have mercy on her and all of us here. :prayer:
 
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Thank you for your advices, brethren. Yes, I am getting a little emotional and anxious, and I need to calm down. Don't worry though, I don't hate anyone nor do I have resentment against anyone. I am just appalled and alarmed and anxious to see a professing Christian saying such words in refute to a direct command from our God.

May God have mercy on her and all of us here. :prayer:

I was saying they should stop hating on u. But relax some.
 
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It is dangerous to misapply Scripture to refute God's commands. You are totally wrong and misunderstanding what Paul is saying:



Paul, in his admonishment towards the church, is quoting what the church people are saying. The church people say they have a right to do anything, but Paul says not everything is beneficial. He is right in this because indeed, many things are not beneficial to our spiritual health and standing with God. It is the church people demanding their right to do anything, NOT PAUL.

I hope that the rest will not be drawn into this grave error to think that Paul says we can indeed do anything against God's commands as long as our heart is right. This in itself is a contradiction because if we do go against God's commands, OUR HEARTS ARE NOT RIGHT AND WE ARE IN REBELLION AGAINST GOD.


I never said we can do whatever we want to go against God I was simply saying that there is no scripture to base why one can not get a Christian tattoo. I was saying that it is a heart issue and one needs to first examine their reasons for getting one. The one verse in Leviticus has nothing to do with tattoos it has to do with pagan death rituals and worship that were against God along with several other things they were doing. Again none of which applies to today.
 
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Thank you for your advices, brethren. Yes, I am getting a little emotional and anxious, and I need to calm down. Don't worry though, I don't hate anyone nor do I have resentment against anyone. I am just appalled and alarmed and anxious to see a professing Christian saying such words in refute to a direct command from our God.

May God have mercy on her and all of us here. :prayer:

You really should come to terms with the fact that people have different beliefs from you. And interpret the Bible different than you. Tattoos are the least of our issues in this world we have a much bigger battle to fight anyways just being honest. =]

But really we disagree on the scripture it's not that big of a deal it happens all the time. We will just have to agree to disagree on this one.
 
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I think you both are being too hard on Bella here, I have read many of her posts and her heart belongs to the Lord I'm sure, the way you two are so easily condemning and chastising your sister in Christ is very sad. These things are not that important.

SOS, the only reason I am speaking up is bc I feel a little of this aggression is stemming from another thread. I personally am not going back and forth with Bella over scripture verses. I don't think it would be very productive. But to the OP I wouldn't get a tattoo simply bc of what it says in scripture. That's my final say on the word.
 
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I think you both are being too hard on Bella here, I have read many of her posts and her heart belongs to the Lord I'm sure, the way you two are so easily condemning and chastising your sister in Christ is very sad. These things are not that important.

Then please, brother, tell me why she is refuting God's commands by misapplying Scripture and why is she posting in such a way that she values her passion more than pleasing God. Yes, if it is possible to prove that I am blind to her heart's devotion to God, then prove it and I will apologise from my heart.

If her heart belongs to the Lord, why do I fail to see her earnest desire to obey God, even if it means forsaking her passions and desires? If her heart belongs to the Lord, why is she asking a sister to follow her own desires rather than pointing her to God's commands and making sure the OP obeys God? Please tell me what is wrong here.
 
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I never said we can do whatever we want to go against God I was simply saying that there is no scripture to base why one can not get a Christian tattoo. I was saying that it is a heart issue and one needs to first examine their reasons for getting one. The one verse in Leviticus has nothing to do with tattoos it has to do with pagan death rituals and worship that were against God along with several other things they were doing. Again none of which applies to today.

'Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.

Do not cut your bodies for the dead, and do not mark your skin with tattoos. I am the LORD.

You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I am the LORD.

You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD.

Never slash your body to mourn the dead, and never get a tattoo. I am the LORD.

Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I [am] the LORD.

Do you see the conjunctions used? Clearly, cutting yourself for the dead and printing marks on your body are TWO DIFFERENT things, and God forbids BOTH.
 
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Again people can disagree with me if they like. But to the OP the scripture given is not even talking about tattooing in the way we use it/see it today. It was talking about pagan rituals and worship. If I were you I would do some Bible study on the passage more in depth. Also talk to your pastor and see what their views are on it and the scripture go over it together ect. Finally examine your heart and why it is you want the tattoo in the first place what does it represent to you, and your reasons behind getting it. =]
 
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I was saying they should stop hating on u. But relax some.

It is the devil and his hordes of demons that incite such things, but I fear not them. I will speak up for the truth and defend God's Word, even if it means losing my life.

But thank you for your warm-hearted words, sister. :hug: I need to take heed to myself also not to get too emotional. :S
 
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Then please, brother, tell me why she is refuting God's commands by misapplying Scripture and why is she posting in such a way that she values her passion more than pleasing God. Yes, if it is possible to prove that I am blind to her heart's devotion to God, then prove it and I will apologise from my heart.

If her heart belongs to the Lord, why do I fail to see her earnest desire to obey God, even if it means forsaking her passions and desires? If her heart belongs to the Lord, why is she asking a sister to follow her own desires rather than pointing her to God's commands and making sure the OP obeys God? Please tell me what is wrong here.

If something in her life is against the will of God, the Lord will show it to her in time. She disagrees on certain passages but the disagreement is rather minor when look at from a whole. The main reason we are communicating on this forum is to fellowship in the love of Christ. Jesus loves us all and these meaningless arguments on the law are not profitable.
 
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Lets look at this a little deeper in a Bible study format....

26 ‘You shall not eat anything with the blood, nor practice divination or soothsaying. 27 You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard. 28 ‘You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD. 29 ‘Do not profane your daughter by making her a harlot, so that the land will not fall to harlotry and the land become full of lewdness. 30 ‘You shall keep My sabbaths and revere My sanctuary; I am the LORD. 31 ‘Do not turn to mediums or spiritists; do not seek them out to be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God. Leviticus 19:26–31 — New American Standard
In this passage God is speaking to his covenant people Israel. He is specifically telling them to stay far from the religious practices of the surrounding people groups. The prohibited religious practices in these verses include eating bloody meat, fortune telling, certain hair cuts related to the priests of false cults, cutting or marking the body for dead relatives, cultic prostitution and consulting psychics. All these practices would lead God's beloved people away from Him and toward false gods that were not Gods at all. In the midst of this context we find the word translated “tattoo marks” in verse 28. It is important to note here that the context of this passage is not one of body décor but one of marking one's self in connection with cultic religious worship. Bible commentaries tell us much about the eastern religious practices that God was warning His people to shun.
These prohibitions seem to relate to pagan religious customs which should be avoided, including pagan mourning rites (vv. 27-28) Walvoord, J. F., Zuck, R. B., & Dallas Theological Seminary. (1983–c1985). The Bible knowledge commentary: An exposition of the scriptures. Wheaton, IL: Victor Books.
The practice of making deep gashes on the face and arms and legs, in time of bereavement, was universal among the heathen, and it was deemed a becoming mark of respect for the dead, as well as a sort of propitiatory offering to the deities who presided over death and the grave. The Jews learned this custom in Egypt, and though weaned from it, relapsed in a later and degenerate age into this old superstition (Is 15:2; Je 16:6; 41:5). “nor print any marks upon you” (v:28 )—by tattooing, imprinting figures of flowers, leaves, stars, and other fanciful devices on various parts of their person. The impression was made sometimes by means of a hot iron, sometimes by ink or paint, as is done by the Arab females of the present day and the different castes of the Hindus. It it probable that a strong propensity to adopt such marks in honor of some idol gave occasion to the prohibition in this verse; and they were wisely forbidden. Jamieson, R., Fausset, A. R., Fausset, A. R., Brown, D., & Brown, D. (1997). A commentary, critical and explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments. On spine: Critical and explanatory commentary. (Le 19:28). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
“Make any cuttings in your flesh” (v:28): the reference here is to the practice of making deep gashes in the skin while mourning the death of a relative. This was done to provide life blood for the spirit of the dead person rather than to express sorrow. On account of the dead: as indicated above, this describes the purpose of all the actions in verse 27 as well as verse 28. Péter-Contesse, R., & Ellington. (1992). A handbook on Leviticus. UBS handbooks; Helps for translating (Page 296). New York: United Bible Societies.
The “tattoo” marks described in Leviticus 19:28 were clearly related to false religious practices. The word translated tattoo in our English Bibles is the Hebrew word “qa aqa”, this word appears only one time in the Bible, here in this passage Leviticus. The word “qa aqa” means literally “to cut” but taken with the surrounding words indicates a cutting that left a mark imprinted in the skin. This could have been a form of branding, scarring, cutting or a process where ink was inlaid into the skin; there is not enough data to fully define exactly what this word meant. However we translate the word “qa aqa” though, in this passage, it is certainly used in the context of cultic religious worship. The prohibition against “qa aqa”, (translated tattoo) was to keep the Israelites from being involved or affiliated with cultic worship practices.
The tattoo of today is much different than it was for those who originally received the Pentateuch. Today tattoo is a decorative means of self expression and personal decoration. In our current culture people modify their appearance for beauty in many ways such as clothing choice, makeup, plastic surgery, hair cutting and coloring, weight loss, body-building, and ear piercing. Some of these practices have a history in ancient ritual and false religion, but in our cultural context they do not denote a connection with evil or false faith. In the same way tattoos today do not link the wearer to cultic worship practices and is not generally practiced for ancient religious purposes, tattoos today are for ornamentation.
 
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That command was only to Jews. If you're not a Jew, it's not a sin. However, I can't say it's a particularly good idea. Lots of people get tattoos that they swear they'll never regret, but they wind up regretting it anyway. They're just not as cool 10 years later.
 
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If something in her life is against the will of God, the Lord will show it to her in time. She disagrees on certain passages but the disagreement is rather minor when look at from a whole. The main reason we are communicating on this forum is to fellowship in the love of Christ. Jesus loves us all and these meaningless arguments on the law are not profitable.

But until now, I have not seen her doing anything to amend her life. The Lord will show her, but if she is not willing to change, there will come a point when the Lord will not longer strive with her. It is not a minor disagreement, brother, but a total distortion and misapplication of the commands of God that DOES apply to us today.

Yes, I have not forgotten to fellowship in the love of Christ, but does it mean we can see a brethren in error and rebellion and not speak up for the sake of fellowshipping in love? No, such is not fellowshipping in love. Love means we admonish rightly when the situation calls us to it so that truth is not forsaken and God's commandments are obeyed. The apostles were not stingy in their rebuke and admonishment of the early churches, but they exhorted, rebuked, and admonished babes in Christ often for their benefit.

As you can see from my original posts, I do not mean to stir an argument about the law or God's commands. But Bella has been trying to refute our admonishment and justify her own understanding when it is clear that her notions are false and misleading. I have given her nothing but the truth, but she not only ignored, she went on to misapply Scripture to confuse the OP and the rest of what God really commanded. God is not a God of confusion. If He clearly forbade tattooing (which after a little readup does mean imprinting marks on our body) in the Old Testament, why would He now allow it in the New Testament? I see nothing but an attempt by satan and his demons to wreck havoc (I mean it in the spiritual realm) in the Body of Christ by confusing us about God's clear commands to His chosen people, which includes us who believe in His Son Jesus.
 
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Lets look at this a little deeper in a Bible study format....

26 ‘You shall not eat anything with the blood, nor practice divination or soothsaying. 27 You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard. 28 ‘You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD. 29 ‘Do not profane your daughter by making her a harlot, so that the land will not fall to harlotry and the land become full of lewdness. 30 ‘You shall keep My sabbaths and revere My sanctuary; I am the LORD. 31 ‘Do not turn to mediums or spiritists; do not seek them out to be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God. Leviticus 19:26–31 — New American Standard

In this passage God is speaking to his covenant people Israel. He is specifically telling them to stay far from the religious practices of the surrounding people groups. The prohibited religious practices in these verses include eating bloody meat, fortune telling, certain hair cuts related to the priests of false cults, cutting or marking the body for dead relatives, cultic prostitution and consulting psychics. All these practices would lead God's beloved people away from Him and toward false gods that were not Gods at all. In the midst of this context we find the word translated “tattoo marks” in verse 28. It is important to note here that the context of this passage is not one of body décor but one of marking one's self in connection with cultic religious worship. Bible commentaries tell us much about the eastern religious practices that God was warning His people to shun.
These prohibitions seem to relate to pagan religious customs which should be avoided, including pagan mourning rites (vv. 27-28) Walvoord, J. F., Zuck, R. B., & Dallas Theological Seminary. (1983–c1985). The Bible knowledge commentary: An exposition of the scriptures. Wheaton, IL: Victor Books.

The practice of making deep gashes on the face and arms and legs, in time of bereavement, was universal among the heathen, and it was deemed a becoming mark of respect for the dead, as well as a sort of propitiatory offering to the deities who presided over death and the grave. The Jews learned this custom in Egypt, and though weaned from it, relapsed in a later and degenerate age into this old superstition (Is 15:2; Je 16:6; 41:5). “nor print any marks upon you” (v:28 )—by tattooing, imprinting figures of flowers, leaves, stars, and other fanciful devices on various parts of their person. The impression was made sometimes by means of a hot iron, sometimes by ink or paint, as is done by the Arab females of the present day and the different castes of the Hindus. It it probable that a strong propensity to adopt such marks in honor of some idol gave occasion to the prohibition in this verse; and they were wisely forbidden. Jamieson, R., Fausset, A. R., Fausset, A. R., Brown, D., & Brown, D. (1997). A commentary, critical and explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments. On spine: Critical and explanatory commentary. (Le 19:28). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

“Make any cuttings in your flesh” (v:28): the reference here is to the practice of making deep gashes in the skin while mourning the death of a relative. This was done to provide life blood for the spirit of the dead person rather than to express sorrow. On account of the dead: as indicated above, this describes the purpose of all the actions in verse 27 as well as verse 28. Péter-Contesse, R., & Ellington. (1992). A handbook on Leviticus. UBS handbooks; Helps for translating (Page 296). New York: United Bible Societies.

The “tattoo” marks described in Leviticus 19:28 were clearly related to false religious practices. The word translated tattoo in our English Bibles is the Hebrew word “qa aqa”, this word appears only one time in the Bible, here in this passage Leviticus. The word “qa aqa” means literally “to cut” but taken with the surrounding words indicates a cutting that left a mark imprinted in the skin. This could have been a form of branding, scarring, cutting or a process where ink was inlaid into the skin; there is not enough data to fully define exactly what this word meant. However we translate the word “qa aqa” though, in this passage, it is certainly used in the context of cultic religious worship. The prohibition against “qa aqa”, (translated tattoo) was to keep the Israelites from being involved or affiliated with cultic worship practices.
The tattoo of today is much different than it was for those who originally received the Pentateuch. Today tattoo is a decorative means of self expression and personal decoration. In our current culture people modify their appearance for beauty in many ways such as clothing choice, makeup, plastic surgery, hair cutting and coloring, weight loss, body-building, and ear piercing. Some of these practices have a history in ancient ritual and false religion, but in our cultural context they do not denote a connection with evil or false faith. In the same way tattoos today do not link the wearer to cultic worship practices and is not generally practiced for ancient religious purposes, tattoos today are for ornamentation.

Giving us all these information will not support your argument. Again, let me say: Cutting your body for the dead (a pagan ritual) and tattooing yourself (imprinting marks on your body) are TWO DIFFERENT acts. BOTH are FORBIDDEN by God.
 
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It is the devil and his hordes of demons that incite such things, but I fear not them. I will speak up for the truth and defend God's Word, even if it means losing my life.

But thank you for your warm-hearted words, sister. :hug: I need to take heed to myself also not to get too emotional. :S

Wow. Commendable. Only 19, Hun? Goodness.
 
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That command was only to Jews. If you're not a Jew, it's not a sin. However, I can't say it's a particularly good idea. Lots of people get tattoos that they swear they'll never regret, but they wind up regretting it anyway. They're just not as cool 10 years later.

God's commands are for His chosen people, Israel in the OT, we Christians in the NT. So saying tattooing is not a sin is against what God teaches and commands. Please do repent of this error and ask God for guidance.
 
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To the OP, please have a look at the links below and do not do what you will regret for eternity:

TATTOOS & THE BIBLE
http://www.biblebelievers.com/watkins_tattoos/health.html
http://www.biblebelievers.com/watkins_tattoos/pagan.html
http://www.biblebelievers.com/watkins_tattoos/rebel.html
http://www.biblebelievers.com/watkins_tattoos/death.html
http://www.biblebelievers.com/watkins_tattoos/blood.html
http://www.biblebelievers.com/watkins_tattoos/regret.html

An excerpt of one of the articles:

I have many friends before they were saved received a tattoo. And without exception, everyone of them is ashamed, and as much as possible they cover it. But before they got saved – like the pagan tribes – they proudly displayed their tattoo. And let me add – most of the time, this is before they’ve read Leviticus 19:28, or before anyone even told them a tattoo is wrong. After receiving the Lord Jesus Christ, with the help of the indwelling Holy Spirit, they KNEW the tattoo was displeasing to their God. What about you?

A booming testimony to the author of the tattoo is recorded by Steve Gilbert:
"When Cortez and his conquistadors arrived on the coast of Mexico in 1519, they were horrified to discover that natives not only worshipped devils in the form of status and idols, but also had somehow managed to imprint indelible images of these idols on their skin. The Spaniards, who had never heard of tattooing, recognized it at once as the work of Satan."
(Gilbert, Steve, Tattoo History: A Source Book, p. 99)​
Do not listen to anyone who says tattoo is ok and can be pursued with a good heart. The fact that you are coming here with doubts show that tattooing is against God's will and God is trying to turn your mind away from it by letting us warn you about its spiritual dangers. Say a definite NO to tattooing and obey God! Reject the devil and he will flee from you!
 
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I'm really sorry for my question starting such a heated debate.

But I'm glad I still asked. I thought about this a lot tonight and then coming here this morning and reading more I finally decided to not go ahead with the tattoo, or any tattoo.

For the reasons listed here and for the fact that I'm too heavily unsure of it, and that must be for a reason. Therefore, I'll more than likely regret it way too much afterwards.

I've done enough in the past that I've regretted and been ashamed of, this will not be another one.

Thank you so much for helping me come to this conclusion.
 
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