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Luther073082
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I agree with you there, I don't feel its a waste of time if you agree with the core tenants of the church and the majority of what they teach.
I'm speaking mostly of people who attend church faithfully but don't make their faith a major part of their life Monday through Saturday.
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Well for me, I beleive that Jesus died for me and gave me salvation so im not going to throw away my faith becuase some legalist comes along and says my wife cant give me OS to completion. I am not going to let someone steal my joy under the premise of faith, I will defend what is actually writen, or not writen. Im not going to loose my faith and salvation because someone wants to make something up to upset my life unnessicarily. That is a control tactic used by cults, well if your a TRUE follower you will do/give up X, Y and Z. Satan is the only one that is out to steal ones joy and happieness.
It would be like dropping out of a math major becuase some joker was telling you 1+1=3. The problem is credibility and authortiy is to freely given in christianity. You could say that catholisism has fairly regimented standards however alot of it is bunk (like the whole OS thing which is a pretty major deal breaker at least for my wife and I) so we would never follow it.
It would be like dropping out of a math major becuase some joker was telling you 1+1=3. The problem is credibility and authortiy is to freely given in christianity. You could say that catholisism has fairly regimented standards however alot of it is bunk (like the whole OS thing which is a pretty major deal breaker at least for my wife and I) so we would never follow it.
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twins15
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Agreed totally with this... relationships are about trust and respect... and if he would dump you for not caving in on something that is very important to you, then he is not worth your time. To put it simple. Making a concession on such an important point is not a sign of love and acceptance, it is giving in to temptation for physical pleasure. Keep up the good work!!
Any time that a man would [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] outside of normal sexual intercourse within marriage, that would be a sin.
I have heard this saying about the Catholic faith, and I am sure it is true about all of Christianity... nobody really hates the Catholic Church, they just hate what they think it is. And the reason people get a bad understanding of the Catholic or any Christian faith is that people who claim to be of the faith don't actually practice it at all. It is like the poster said, in their area the Catholics argue, have premarital sex, etc. The average person is going to see that and think that behavior is acceptable in the Catholic Church, and be totally turned off (if they were looking for a religious comfort)... that is very sad.
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This is really the whole crux with roman catholisism, and its actually a really big deal, most guys like to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] in a womans mouth, so this single issue (which is not even biblical) is really a deal breaker.
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VA Pinay
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Wouldn't it be a much greater sin to not wish to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] with your wife present, regardless of where things end up?
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lol yea, and considering 98% of the time this is how we end sex we would not be a good fit for the catholic church.
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Luther073082
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I agree thats true of the entire Christian faith.
But having said that and also being Lutheran and having a simliar theological outlook, I can tell you, no there are people who hate the Roman Catholic church for what it is. There are a lot of people who hate it for what they think it is, but there are plenty that hate it for what it really is too.
BTW: You may notice, but because of the important meaning of the word "Catholic" I never refer to the Roman Catholic Church as just "The Catholic Church".
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Eh thanks for your replies. Eh just a bit from me in regards the Roman Catholic Church-
I dislike a number of reasons about the Roman Catholic Church:
The whole handling of the abuse scandals and the abuse that took place
The whole richness of the Vatican..
In saying that, i have looked into other aspects of Christianity such as being a member of a Protestant church. Although, i decided to stay as a Roman Catholic Church, because I believe the love that Our Lady (Mary) can bring into my life, that Our Lady conceived as a virgin and I believe other common teachings in the Roman Catholic Church, such as belief in Jesus and God. As a Roman Catholic i also believe one can pray to the Saints and belief the Sacraments. I have also met some really inspiring and lovely priests in my time who are doing their best in difficult times for the Church today.
In regards to people practising their religion but not carrying out in action- Yes that really does annoy me, especially when someone goes to Mass for instance but is mean or a gossip later. But i can't judge, i'm not free of sin. Anyhow i hope this doesn't go into a Roman Catholic bashing
God bless
Thanks everyone for responses
I dislike a number of reasons about the Roman Catholic Church:
The whole handling of the abuse scandals and the abuse that took place
The whole richness of the Vatican..
In saying that, i have looked into other aspects of Christianity such as being a member of a Protestant church. Although, i decided to stay as a Roman Catholic Church, because I believe the love that Our Lady (Mary) can bring into my life, that Our Lady conceived as a virgin and I believe other common teachings in the Roman Catholic Church, such as belief in Jesus and God. As a Roman Catholic i also believe one can pray to the Saints and belief the Sacraments. I have also met some really inspiring and lovely priests in my time who are doing their best in difficult times for the Church today.
In regards to people practising their religion but not carrying out in action- Yes that really does annoy me, especially when someone goes to Mass for instance but is mean or a gossip later. But i can't judge, i'm not free of sin. Anyhow i hope this doesn't go into a Roman Catholic bashing
God bless
Thanks everyone for responses
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twins15
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I am having a little trouble understanding what you are saying here (your wording is just throwing me for a loop), but no, I don't believe so. Could you explain a little further what exactly you mean? What do you mean by "not wish to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]?"
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twins15
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I don't want to argue semantics at all, that is not my objective here... but I would say that these things are not things that people dislike about the Roman Catholic Church. It is things they dislike about things people associated with the Roman Catholic Church did.
When I think of the Church I think of the teachings... as you mention later in your post, the Church is its love of Mary, belief in the Saints, etc. It is not how people (very wrongly, I might add) handled a certain situation. I dislike how they handled the abuse scandals too, it was very bad... but this is something that I dislike about certain people per se, not the Church.
Do you see the distinction or agree/disagree with it?
A lot of people have huge problems with the Church because of those abuse scandals... but if that is the problem you have with the Church, you don't hate the Church, because it does not condone that, it was individuals making huge mistakes.
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Eh thanks for your replies. Eh just a bit from me in regards the Roman Catholic Church-
I dislike a number of reasons about the Roman Catholic Church:
The whole handling of the abuse scandals and the abuse that took place
The whole richness of the Vatican..
In saying that, i have looked into other aspects of Christianity such as being a member of a Protestant church. Although, i decided to stay as a Roman Catholic Church, because I believe the love that Our Lady (Mary) can bring into my life, that Our Lady conceived as a virgin and I believe other common teachings in the Roman Catholic Church, such as belief in Jesus and God. As a Roman Catholic i also believe one can pray to the Saints and belief the Sacraments. I have also met some really inspiring and lovely priests in my time who are doing their best in difficult times for the Church today.
In regards to people practising their religion but not carrying out in action- Yes that really does annoy me, especially when someone goes to Mass for instance but is mean or a gossip later. But i can't judge, i'm not free of sin. Anyhow i hope this doesn't go into a Roman Catholic bashing
God bless
Thanks everyone for responses
I don't entirely blame you even though I don't share some of your beliefs on Mary and praying to the saints.
I just want to say that if Lutheranism ceased to exist I would most certainly join a Roman Catholic Church or an Eastern Orthodox Church. There is no way I would join a "protestant church"
Martin Luther himself was credited as saying "I'd rather drink blood with a papist, then wine with a zwiligian" A statement I'm in total agreement with.
Even though you may look at Lutheranism as Protestant, I actually consider it Evangelical catholic, because we have so many differences with protestants that it makes very little sense to put us in the same category as the reformed and baptist traditions.
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hey everyone just need some advice please
so i'm big into my faith and i recently started going out with this lovely guy. We only know each other for a few weeks. I know i shouldn't say this but he really makes the grade for a potential mate, i've been praying for a while to meet the One. He is so lovely, kind, caring and funny.
He prays, used to go to Mass but is more lapsed. He is interested in my faith and we talk about it alot. The thing is he knows how i want to wait. But lately he's been asking me whether i would do other stuff as regards like oral s'x and stuff. Now i was like "no way" and all that.
Do you's all think it would break my chastity if i engaged in this? It's not like he is putting pressure on me he is more just asking, although i told him all about my boundaries before officially we are boyfriend and girlfriend. So the plan i was thinking was tell him that i may engage in that in a few months time, but in the mean time (between waiting for these few months to pass to 'do it') i think he will ask me to marry him in a few months, i just get this feeling! I can't really explain it! So therefore, if we do get married in a few months, i don't have to engage in these acts outside marriage and i can still keep my chastity!
I dunno like i really really like him and I love God and my faith and Jesus. I wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for my faith but i'm just thinking (i don't know do you's feel that too..) that because he doesn't really believe in chastity like me that one day he is going to wake up and decide to dump me??
Argh any advice would be really really appreciated thanks
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Hie, I think you are one among many people who are going through the same thing especially at the time of praying for a partner and waiting.The thing is you should know God first and how He does His works. God is perfect and He doesn't compromise His standards, so does He want His children to be. Know also that everything from God is perfect, pure and good; the Bible says in the book of James. So if you think that this man is yours, then the Bible made a mistake, but if you believe in God and His word that it is infallible, then think again. If God has given you this man you would not have been finding faults with him because what is from God is perfect. God bless you. P/s for more questions plz feel free to replay.
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