Our church offers two services each Sunday. Both are liturgical. We have two services because we have too many people for one service.
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Ukrainia, if I may be so bold, what elementary and high school did you attend? Being WELS and having family in WI, I might be familiar with it. I would've attended a Lutheran High School here in Michigan but the only one close was Michigan Lutheran Seminary, and my parents just didn't think I was ready for boarding school - not to mention the fact that my brother totally blew it.
Anyhoo...to the OP. While Lutheran services are generally not "happy-clappy" the greatest joy can be found in them. Even the hymns share the great news, and there are times in church where I do get a little emotional because the word is touching me. I hope you continue to attend - you'll get used to the "formality" and pretty soon it won't seem so formal.
Anyhoo...to the OP. While Lutheran services are generally not "happy-clappy" the greatest joy can be found in them. Even the hymns share the great news, and there are times in church where I do get a little emotional because the word is touching me. I hope you continue to attend - you'll get used to the "formality" and pretty soon it won't seem so formal.
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I will not be apart of contemporary crap when I am called to a congregation. I've heard the congregation interviews you along with your call, and I would make it known that I would not. Hopefully the seminary knows this and can guide my call to a confessional congregation.
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Just a thought. Perhaps God wants to call you such a congregation for the purpose of consistently teaching and leading them (over a period of years) to appreciate the liturgy.
You have time to think this through, but remember that it is God's call, not yours.
... from one who has learned over the past 35+ years that God can do things through circumstances that we never would have asked for nor expected. He is a pretty big God.
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While I'm not a big fan of contemporary worship, I have seen contemporary services done that were very liturgical.
My husband doesn't like them either, but if he is called to a congregation that does them, he will enter the call with an open mind (if he accepts the call anyway) and take it from there. If the CW services aren't theologically sound, then you bet he will take a stand in the matter.
My husband doesn't like them either, but if he is called to a congregation that does them, he will enter the call with an open mind (if he accepts the call anyway) and take it from there. If the CW services aren't theologically sound, then you bet he will take a stand in the matter.
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The only one's I know of who were interviewed prior to their first call from seminary were those who were engaged in some special ministry situation. The fact is that we have no say and no idea where our first call will be until Call Day when they call your names and hand you your first call. And it is strongly inadvisible to turn down your first call because you may not get another one. You really have little to no say in the matter. And don't even think about saying "I don't want such and such" because you are likely to get just that.
And I'm still curious as to why you have a monstrance next to your CF character.
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For me that is the beauty of call day. I look forward to seeing where God thinks I will do the most for his kingdom. We kind of get a small taste of that with vicarage but it is still not the same.
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And he's pretty awesome. He reigns from heaven above with wisdom power and love...Just a thought. Perhaps God wants to call you such a congregation for the purpose of consistently teaching and leading them (over a period of years) to appreciate the liturgy.
You have time to think this through, but remember that it is God's call, not yours.
... from one who has learned over the past 35+ years that God can do things through circumstances that we never would have asked for nor expected. He is a pretty big God.
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I remember when I first started seminary, many of us couldn't understand the facial expressions of the fourth year guys. We didn't know whether or not the seminary experience was responsible for their apparent perpetual scowls. But once we returned from vicarage, we understood completely!
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I remember when I first started seminary, many of us couldn't understand the facial expressions of the fourth year guys. We didn't know whether or not the seminary experience was responsible for their apparent perpetual scowls. But once we returned from vicarage, we understood completely!
Let me guess... You come back from Vicarage all pumped up and really wanting to get into your own parish, but instead you are stuck here in school for another whole year. Is that close?
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So LCMS sends the student back to school after vicarage? How long is your vicarage?
In the ELS, the student vicars for 1 year - that is their last year of seminary, and then they get their first assignment as a pastor (for 1 yr) - they have no choice as to where they will go, I don't believe - the Seminary tries to put them where they feel will be the best 'fit'.
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Vicarage is typically 12 months and normally occurs during the third year of seminary. The reason for this is there are a few classes that Vicarage is a prerequisite for.
Now, there are exceptions to this. In the Alternate Route (non-degree) program, the student attends classes for 2 years and then is placed in his congregation first as a vicar or 1 year and then is ordained. There is also what is called "convertible vicarages" where an MDiv student will do three years at seminary and then be placed at his first call, first as a vicar for one year and then ordained. Convertible vicarages are rare and require a specific set of circumstances. The norm for MDiv students is vicarage durinb the 3rd year.
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WELS vicars also serve during their third year of seminary.
In rare cases, we have seminary students who get ordained early so they can serve an emergency call, but I haven't heard of that happening lately.
My husband loved his vicar year. Said he learned way more in that one year than he could've hoped to learn in seminary. He had a good teacher, apparently!
In rare cases, we have seminary students who get ordained early so they can serve an emergency call, but I haven't heard of that happening lately.
My husband loved his vicar year. Said he learned way more in that one year than he could've hoped to learn in seminary. He had a good teacher, apparently!
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Thank you for your replies It is interesting to hear how other Synods' seminaries conduct their training.
It is interesting to hear how other Synods' seminaries conduct their training.
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It's just I have seen my Pastor struggle for years to get weekly communion at a pretty confessional church. I could handle that, but having to show people that a contemporary service is bad...that would be years upon years. I guess if you have to accept the call even if the parish does have a contemporary service, I would. It seems like it would be crushing to go through so much education to be a Pastor and end up with a praise band. I'm gagging right now just thinking about it. Oh and the monstrance looks cool, just assume theres nothing in it
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It's just I have seen my Pastor struggle for years to get weekly communion at a pretty confessional church. I could handle that, but having to show people that a contemporary service is bad...that would be years upon years. I guess if you have to accept the call even if the parish does have a contemporary service, I would. It seems like it would be crushing to go through so much education to be a Pastor and end up with a praise band. I'm gagging right now just thinking about it. Oh and the monstrance looks cool, just assume theres nothing in it
What's worse is to go through seminary and then have your church members tell you that what you learn at seminary is wrong and you have to do it their way.
Talk about clashes.
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Actually continuing Bible study and catechetical instruction with reference to worship, it can happen in 2-3 years. On the larger scale of time, that is relatively short.
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Well I can see some hope even if I do get a call to a Church with a contemporary worship service. Sweet! Does the LCMS view the Divine Service as the only way to adminster the Sacrament of the Altar? If not what are the guidelines for a contemporary service, and can we hope for a future with no contemporary services?
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