Vishnu, Krishna, Kalki

[arunma]

I know Christ does sound a bit like Krishna, but the word means messiah in greek...They were both gods on earth, but krishna and Christ were extremely different...But both did teach good lessons...that is their common ground.

Msindia, you should know that every time I ask a Hindu about this, I never get a straight answer. Christos in the Greek language means Messiah, but according to Sefroth77, Krishna in the Sanskrit language means "all attractive." Clearly, Christ and Krishna mean entirely different things. The two words are not even in the same language, so the comparison is even worse than "pear" and "pair."

 

[arunma]

Thats what you think, historians have more proofs of Chrishna's existance than Jesus. Sunken city of Dwarka, Kurekshetra, historical temples , Bhagavad Geeta, correct atronomical events etc. are many proofs.

I don't think that your claim that "historians have more proofs of Krishna's existance than Jesus" is correct. I don't know of any historians who doubt Jesus' existence. On the contrary, I don't know of a single reputable historian who believes that Krishna really existed. I'm sure that such people might exist, but they obviously aren't as widely published.

As for accurate description of astronomical events, many ancient civilizations were accomplished astronomers. Correct descriptions of astronomical events proves that the Indian writers had knowledge of astronomy (and it's well known that the ancient Indians were astronomers). It doesn't prove anything about Krishna.

I personally believe, question of Jesus existence is meaningless if Chrishna never existed. Without Chrishna (Christ/God)....existance of Jesus (son-messenger of Christ/Chrishna) is not possible.

OK, but again, that isn't a proof. I understand that Krishna is widely revered in your religious tradition. But in my religion, Krishna is a nobody. So his existence means nothing to me in terms of Christ's importance.

As you know, i believe Jesus(son) and Christ(Chrishna) (God) are two different personalities and i too believe in Jesus in India theory which explains where was Jesus in what we call "missing years of Jesus life" + unlimited similarities between Chrishna's life and events mentioned in Bible.

Well, the "Jesus on Mars" theory would also explain the missing years of his life. As for "unlimited similarities," I don't see any similarities. But again, this has nothing to do with proving Krishna's existence.

 

[rahul_sharma]

Msindia, you should know that every time I ask a Hindu about this, I never get a straight answer. Christos in the Greek language means Messiah, but according to Sefroth77, Krishna in the Sanskrit language means "all attractive." Clearly, Christ and Krishna mean entirely different things. The two words are not even in the same language, so the comparison is even worse than "pear" and "pair."

Most Basic - "God" is that meaning which define both Chrishna and Christ whereas pear and pair are in no way connected.


When Jesus said, " Our Father who art in heaven hallowed be Thy name," the name of God was Chrsta ". Jesus, as the son of God, has revealed to us the actual name of God: Christ. We can call God "Father", but if we want to address Him by His actual name, we have to say "Christ".

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Christ comes from the Greek word 'Christos', which means "the anointed one". Again, the word 'Chrishna' in Greek is the same as 'Christos'. A Bengali rendering of Chrishna is 'Christo', which is the same as the Spanish for Christ — 'Cristo'. [/font]

 

[Ram]

Okay, I understand when he is coming now...Do you really think Islam and Christianity will be gone by then? Juaism has been around for some 3,500 years and christianity for some 2,000 years...It would be strange for them to just disappear....I guess 427,000 years is enough time for anything to happen.

Yeah, a lot of things will happen. The bhavishya purana says that in 2000 years from now, a major calamity will strike which will wipe out half the world population. In 8000 years from now, an even bigger tradgedy will strike nearly wiping off all life on earth. But things will recover slowly. At the time of kalki incarnation, all major religions would be gone. There would be handful of Hindus and the world full of evil men, and the world controlled by the Chinese. India and most other counties would be under Chinese rule for several centuries before Kalki will destroy all evil men to establish total peace on earth.

 

[arunma]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Christ comes from the Greek word 'Christos', which means "the anointed one". Again, the word 'Chrishna' in Greek is the same as 'Christos'. A Bengali rendering of Chrishna is 'Christo', which is the same as the Spanish for Christ — 'Cristo'. [/font]

Rahul, I'm not sure you realize how convoluted that logic sounds to an outside observer. If you need to transliterate and translate Sanskrit into Bengali into Spanish and then into English to draw the parallel, you ought to realize the fallacy in your argument.

 

[rahul_sharma]

Rahul, I'm not sure you realize how convoluted that logic sounds to an outside observer. If you need to transliterate and translate Sanskrit into Bengali into Spanish and then into English to draw the parallel, you ought to realize the fallacy in your argument.

No, there is no difference because in every language....Most important and basic meaning of this word is same and that is "God".

 

[arunma]

No, there is no difference because in every language....Most important and basic meaning of this word is same and that is "God".

Again, that isn't a valid linguistic argument that the words Christ and Krishna are related.

 

[rahul_sharma]

Again, that isn't a valid linguistic argument that the words Christ and Krishna are related.

That is a valid arguement. There pronounciation and common meaning is a valid agruement. Remeber, coincidences dont happen on a very large scale starting from pronunciation of names and similar events mentioned in Holy books.

Did you know, Even word "Man" is derived from "Manu"?

Ma·nu ([font=verdana, sans-serif] P [/font]) Pronunciation Key (mä

n

, m

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n. Hinduism
The primordial father of the human race and sovereign of the earth who first instituted religious ceremonies and devised a code of laws.
[Sanskrit Manu, from manu, man. See man-[size=-1]1[/size] in Indo-European Roots.]

 

[arunma]

That is a valid arguement. There pronounciation and common meaning is a valid agruement. Remeber, coincidences dont happen on a very large scale starting from pronunciation of names and similar events mentioned in Holy books.

Did you know, Even word "Man" is derived from "Manu"?

The etymology of the word man isn't at issue here. We're talking about the Greek Christos and the Sanskrit Krishna. The two words have different definitions, and so far, you haven't provided any etymological link.

 

[rahul_sharma]

The etymology of the word man isn't at issue here. We're talking about the Greek Christos and the Sanskrit Krishna. The two words have different definitions, and so far, you haven't provided any etymological link.

already provided many times, but you are a christian whose building will collapse* if they will accept this. ...unlimited similarities exist starting from pronounciation till events of holy books..noone can deny this.



*They think there building will collapse, i think there building will become more spiritual.

 

[rahul_sharma]

The etymology of the word man isn't at issue here. We're talking about the Greek Christos and the Sanskrit Krishna. The two words have different definitions, and so far, you haven't provided any etymological link.

Not just Greek Christos and Sanskrit Chrishna but Bengali Christo and Spanish Cristo also.
No they dont have different definations.
There defination is same and that is "GOD".

 

[msindiausa]

Wow...A lot of debate on Christ and Krishna...Okay, the Word Krishna was around a little beopre the word Christos in Greece...While Sanskrit is an Indo-european language, Greek is not...It is a hellanic language...the two aren't connected...They sound the same, but they aren't connected. Latin, Sanskrit, English, and other european langiuges have a lot in common, like the words "man" and "me", but there arent many similarities between Sanskrit and Greek.

Also, there is a lot more proof of the existence of Jesus than of Krishna...Even atheist understand that Jesus was a real person...For me, since there is no proof of Krishna(that is widely publicized), I believe that the extremely strong faith of Hindus proves the existence of a man like Krishna, or maybe the blue mangod did actually exist exactly as it is told.

@Rahul...what is the "The bhavishya purana"?...I have heard from christian endoftimes people that China will control the world also, but much sooner than 2,000 years...Will these calamities strike because of the sins of humans?

 

[rahul_sharma]

Wow...A lot of debate on Christ and Krishna...Okay, the Word Krishna was around a little beopre the word Christos in Greece...While Sanskrit is an Indo-european language, Greek is not...It is a hellanic language...the two aren't connected...They sound the same, but they aren't connected. Latin, Sanskrit, English, and other european langiuges have a lot in common, like the words "man" and "me", but there arent many similarities between Sanskrit and Greek.

Yes , you are right Some of these languages have different origins but remember we are not talking about any vegetable name or chair, table and glass whose words will change according to Language. Here we are talking about that Specific name of God, which is similar irrepective of the origins of these languages. Only common major source can have such similar name in many different languages.

 

[msindiausa]

I didnt know that the specific name of god was Krishna.

 

[rahul_sharma]

I didnt know that the specific name of god was Krishna.

I didnt said "specific name", i said "that specific name of God" which is similar and most influential. Chrishna/Christ is the lastest incarnation of Bhraman.

 

[msindiausa]

Do you think Jesus Christ was an incarnation of a god?

 

[vajradhara]

Namaste Mis,

thank you for the post.

and buddhist are expecting Maitreya(another incarnation of buddha) soon.

actually, we aren't expecting Maitreya Buddha to arise for quite awhile. Skaymuni Buddhas turning of the Wheel will last in this world system for roughly 15,000 years.

as Shakyamuni Buddha turned the Wheel some 2,500 years ago, we have quite a while before Maitreya Buddha will arise.

we are in the True Dharma stage, after this, the middle 5,000 years will be the Sembelance Dharma stage and, the final 5,000 will be the False Dharma stage.

once this is complete, Maitreya Buddha will arise in this world system to Turn the Wheel of Dharma again.

metta,

~v

 

[rahul_sharma]

Do you think Jesus Christ was an incarnation of a god?

I believe Jesus and Christ as 2 different personalities. Yes Christ (Chrishna) is Supreme reality (God), Yes Jesus is Son/messenger/devotee of God.

 

[msindiausa]

O okay...Well, in christianity he is Jesus the Christ.

 

[rahul_sharma]

O okay...Well, in christianity he is Jesus the Christ.

yeah , maybe thats why Islam was born and maybe thats why Jesus warned in advance, maybe thats why Jesus said ..you know something, you dont know many things.