Virgins as Lords share?

[Nihilist Virus]

It is definitely is not permanent since the year of Jubilee applied to all slaves, jew and gentile. All slaves had to be freed. Exodus 22:21-24 shows that not putting someone in involuntary slavery applies to gentiles. The term sojourner means foreigner or gentile and it says they could not oppress or act unjustly toward them, that certainly would apply to involuntary slavery. It also says they are to be treated like a jew, read Leviticus 19:34. So therefore, it had to be voluntary like it was for the jew in Leviticus 25:47. In addition, if you didn't like your master you could try to escape and make it to a sanctuary city and could not be turned in to your master. So this was very unlike American slavery. More like indentured servitude. Regarding charging interest, how could that be racist when both the Hebrews and the nations around them were all the same race? They were all Semites. But yes God allowed them to charge interest to the pagans around them because they were evil people. It is similar to what Donald Trump is doing to the Chinese who have been ripping us off for 40 years and so now we are charging them tariffs. And they are evil people too, actually quite similar to some of those ancient middle eastern nations. Nations have a right to treat other nations they consider potential enemies differently.




Deuteronomy 22:25 uses the term betrothed because in ancient times single women were practically non existent but we know from the context that it applies to non betrothed women as well. Verse 26 says it is similar to a man attacking and murdering his neighbor irrespective of marital status. The ancient Hebrews used case law and the judges could make decisions based on similar but not identical cases. And if you are including Gods new covenant law men are required to treat young women like their sister so would you rape your sister? So Plainly the bible teaches that raping women is wrong including your wife.


I think you are referring to verse about women captured in war, but I explained earlier that they had a month to see if they were compatible but they could not have sex with them because they were not officially married. The seventh commandment forbids not only adultery but also fornication, the Hebrew term for adultery meant ANY sex outside marriage. After a month, the soldier could decide if he wanted to marry her and if he didn't then she had to be freed.


The second one I am not sure what verse you are referring to.

Of all your last chances, that was the last one. You want me to believe that God didn't kill David's son despite the fact that the text says it in black and white. The Bible says you may own a slave for life and you deny it.

Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.

You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

Leviticus 25:44-46, NIV translation. As I said, different treatment for Jews.

Thanks for the Orwellian experience but I am now returning to reality. You have nothing that interests me.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Of all your last chances, that was the last one. You want me to believe that God didn't kill David's son despite the fact that the text says it in black and white. The Bible says you may own a slave for life and you deny it.

Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.

You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

Leviticus 25:44-46, NIV translation. As I said, different treatment for Jews.

Thanks for the Orwellian experience but I am now returning to reality. You have nothing that interests me.

And IF those foreign slaves.........................wish to ....................... join with Israelite and become one with them?

Then what, oh mighty interpreter? Then what?

 

[Nihilist Virus]

And IF those foreign slaves.........................wish to ....................... join with Israelite and become one with them?

Then what, oh mighty interpreter? Then what?

Ah, so you seem to be implying that if these slaves disgrace their heritage and allow their penises to be mutilated, then their lifetime of slavery will be reduced to seven years of indentured servitude.

To see if that's a good option, let me ask you a modern-equivalent question:

Suppose you were in prison for a crime you didn't commit. You have been sentenced to life without the possibility of parole. Would you surgically alter your penis and renounce Christ in order to commute your life sentence down to seven years?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Ah, so you seem to be implying that if these slaves disgrace their heritage and allow their penises to be mutilated, then their lifetime of slavery will be reduced to seven years of indentured servitude.

To see if that's a good option, let me ask you a modern-equivalent question:

Suppose you were in prison for a crime you didn't commit. You have been sentenced to life without the possibility of parole. Would you surgically alter your penis and renounce Christ in order to commute your life sentence down to seven years?

If there were a less than perfect analogy for the slavery that 'strangers,''sojournors,' and 'foreigners' in Israel encountered, your's is it, NV. Your's is it!

 

[Nihilist Virus]

If there were a less than perfect analogy for the slavery that 'strangers,''sojournors,' and 'foreigners' in Israel encountered, your's is it, NV. Your's is it!

Talking to you is like going on a date... it all has to be perfect, apparently.

OK. Would you, 2PhiloVoid, renounce your religion to emancipate yourself from slavery?

Notice this is a direct comparison, apples to apples. Would you do it? Thanks.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Would you renounce Christ to get yourself out of slavery?

I might involuntarily. But I know one thing's for sure, I wouldn't voluntarily put myself in prison in the first place.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Would you renounce Christ to get yourself out of slavery?

...and yes, I said INvoluntarily. Te-he! Tricky me!

 

[Ed1wolf]

Of all your last chances, that was the last one. You want me to believe that God didn't kill David's son despite the fact that the text says it in black and white. The Bible says you may own a slave for life and you deny it.

Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.

You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

Leviticus 25:44-46, NIV translation. As I said, different treatment for Jews.

Thanks for the Orwellian experience but I am now returning to reality. You have nothing that interests me.

Yes it means you may buy from the nations around you people who sell themselves to you. And they can be slaves for life IF they choose to. In the year of Jubilee, they can either choose to leave or stay for another 50 years. The Bible plainly says that the foreigners were to be treated the same as the jews, see the verses I provided in my previous post. I know for some reason you want to have a basis for hating Christianity. Sorry you dont want to learn the truth about Christianity.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

I might involuntarily. But I know one thing's for sure, I wouldn't voluntarily put myself in prison in the first place.

First you dispute the premise of my modern-day hypothetical, so I modified my question to your liking. Then you ignored the direct question and returned to my modern-day hypothetical, but ignored a premise. If you are convicted of a crime you didn't commit, then your "I wouldn't put myself in prison voluntarily" is completely irrelevant. You've got no answers, none whatsoever, so you've dusted off the ol' tapdancing shoes. Spare me the same song and dance. What a sad state of affairs if you have to play game after game instead of answering a simple question!

 

[2PhiloVoid]

First you dispute the premise of my modern-day hypothetical, so I modified my question to your liking.

I never said it was to my liking. That's your false assumption.

Then you ignored the direct question and returned to my modern-day hypothetical, but ignored a premise. If you are convicted of a crime you didn't commit, then your "I wouldn't put myself in prison voluntarily" is completely irrelevant. You've got no answers, none whatsoever, so you've dusted off the ol' tapdancing shoes. Spare me the same song and dance. What a sad state of affairs if you have to play game after game instead of answering a simple question!

I didn't tap dance around. It's just that you failed to offer a truly decisive and valid/sound analogy. You're assuming a whole lot where "foreigners" in ancient Israel are concerned. So.................don't assume. Actually, how about you DO the hermeneutical work required? I know your I.Q. is through the roof, so that 'should' mean that you have no excuse for avoiding the proper, more robust intellectual work you need to do when handling topics in the Bible.

So far, your analogies [plural] here fail, and they do so in so many ways. And why? Because as usual, you refuse to account for the hermeneutics that HAS to be part and parcel of our attempts to understand the slavery in Old Testament books.

And frankly, I'm not giving you a free pass. No, I'm going to go all-out "Samson" on your thinking ... !

Not convinced? Shall I start again and give your post #283 a shake down, line by line, sentence by sentence?