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Then why the immediate change in your behavior after I pointed out the key differences?Incorrect.
How do you explain the immediate change in your behavior after I pointed out the key differences?
No more attempted quips.
What change are you imagining took place?Then why the immediate change in your behavior after I pointed out the key differences?
"Union" is this odd label that gets applied to the armed forces of the United States (US Army, US Navy, USMC, state troops) under the command of the President of the United States. It seems to be nothing more a euphemism to paper over the fact that the "confederates" were fighting the US.Union vs United?
I stand corrected, the United States Army kept its racist policies until WW2."Union" is this odd label that gets applied to the armed forces of the United States (US Army, US Navy, USMC, state troops) under the command of the President of the United States. It seems to be nothing more a euphemism to paper over the fact that the "confederates" were fighting the US.
Lee and Jackson went to war against the United States. It is not any simpler than that.What do you mean by "anti-USA" and why do you accuse Lee and Jackson by such?
Military leaders on all sides in any war are responsible for killing lots of people. (And it is not "the North" it is "The United States of America".) It was only the confederate generals that made war against the USA.Could it not be argued that the military leaders of the North were just as responsible for killing a lot of people?
Secessionism, slavery, etc.What "delusional ideology" are you referring to?
Okay, me too, but I have to think that you oppose it on moral grounds, and not on the grounds that the coup plotters were unsuccessful.I oppose what the Nazis did because I wish the Nazis would have just let themselves be overthrown.
If you read the exchanges between me and GreatLakes you'd probably understand why I'm pressing the moral aspect, as regards the OP.It's not a question of "right" or "wrong". The Nazis did what most countries do after a failed coup - they got rid of the perpetrators.
As far the delusional ideology:What do you mean by "anti-USA" and why do you accuse Lee and Jackson by such?
Could it not be argued that the military leaders of the North were just as responsible for killing a lot of people?
What "delusional ideology" are you referring to?
I understand well enough that you're pressing the moral aspect. The why though? Not so much.If you read the exchanges between me and GreatLakes you'd probably understand why I'm pressing the moral aspect, as regards the OP.
History and people are never that simple.Lee and Jackson went to war against the United States. It is not any simpler than that.
The Civil War was fought among the Northern and Southern States. The Union and the Confederacy.Military leaders on all sides in any war are responsible for killing lots of people. (And it is not "the North" it is "The United States of America".)
Yes - after their attempt to secede was resisted by Buchanan and Lincoln took office.It was only the confederate generals that made war against the USA.
How are these "delusional ideologies"?Secessionism, slavery, etc.
Did you go to war against the United States? If you did, that would be a problem.History and people are never that simple.
Am I "anti-USA" when I disagree with US leaders and the Federal Government?
Nope. The United States of America went to war with the so-call "Confederate States of America".The Civil War was fought among the Northern and Southern States. The Union and the Confederacy.
Now you venturing into neo-confederate apologetics. (I didn't pick this avatar for nothing.)Yes - after their attempt to secede was resisted by Buchanan and Lincoln took office.
They had the audacity to believe that they could withdraw from a Union that did not value them and their interests.
The Constitution offers no mechanism for unilateral secession. Others have already discussed the slavery apologetics.How are these "delusional ideologies"?
I think my posts have been short, simple and straightforward. I'm not sure what else I can say without just repeating myself.I understand well enough that you're pressing the moral aspect. The why though? Not so much.
True, but you have to admit the Declaration of Independence, which many around the world have deemed one of the greatest political statements in history, does provide the moral legitimacy for it.The Constitution offers no mechanism for unilateral secession.
The DoI is fine political philosophy, for sure, but had the British won, it’d’ve been burned.True, but you have to admit the Declaration of Independence, which many around the world have deemed one of the greatest political statements in history, does provide the moral legitimacy for it.
You can burn documents, but you can't burn great ideas.The DoI is fine political philosophy, for sure, but had the British won, it’d’ve been burned.
Nearly four years ago, the Shenandoah County School Board ... moved to rename Stonewall Jackson High School and Ashby Lee Elementary School. The schools had been named after Confederate Gens. Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson, Robert E. Lee and Turner Ashby.
That 2020 move was part of a resolution condemning racism and affirming the district’s “commitment to an inclusive school environment,” according to school board documents.
The schools have been called Mountain View High School and Honey Run Elementary School since July 2021, according to board documents.
But the composition of the school board is different now than it was during the 2020 decision – all six seats are held by different people.
The 5-1 vote came after hours of public comment during a meeting that began Thursday evening from people speaking on both sides of the issue. Vice Chairman Kyle L. Gutshall was the sole opposing vote.
“I ask that when you cast your vote, you remember that Stonewall Jackson and others fighting on the side of the Confederacy in this area were intent on protecting the land, the buildings and the lives of those under attack,” said a woman urging the board to restore the Confederate names. “Preservation is the focus of those wishing to restore the names.”
Sarah Kohrs, a mother of two students attending schools in the district, is among several parents and residents who said ahead of the vote that they were opposed to restoring the Confederacy-tied names and were frustrated it was being considered.
“It’s very frustrating to know that here we are four years after that, and we still have a small portion of the community that just refuses to move on,” Kohrs told CNN.
No historical individuals who attacked our country shouldn't be named. You know that the North had slaves before and after the Civil War. It was a war of two groups of like-minded Americans fighting for their way of life and their rights. As a modern man, I believe it to be wrong but you have to understand that slavery was part of socioeconomics since man could capture other men to do work for them. It didn't start in America.
There is a reason for the statues and names to be preserved. To ensure that there is reconciliation and restoration of the nation. You should all take a lesson from General Grant. Grant ordered his troops to stop all celebration, saying the "war is over; the rebels are our countrymen again."
Self righteous people will think annihilation of one side is the only way unity can be achieve. Reality rang and she wants critical thinking back. Stroking old hatred is a good way to start a new civil war. Guess if more people actually take lessons in history there wouldn't be so much self righteous virtue signaling.
What keeps this country from moving forward is people looking backward.Remembering people like Stonewall Jackson as heroes that need to have their names plastered everywhere is precisely what is keeping this country from moving on.
What keeps this country from moving forward is people looking backward.
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