Views On Wicca/Paganism/Witchcraft

[ChaoticPrecision]

In my own searches, I have found a much simpler version of the Ten Commandments. While I am not expounding upon the whole of commandments for these "relegions", I find that the statement of "And it harm non, do what thou will" to be more satisfactory. From a moral standpoint, this covers all situations.

I do not believe that God, in His infinite wisdom, would have provided the abilities of human nature, if it weren't in cooincidence with his thoughts on how humanity should behave.

To create something, knowing it is wrong, then punishing it is, for lack of a better term, sadistic.

There seems to be a massive disconnect between what god wants, and what he has provided or allowed.

When I set up a home theater system, I don't allow for there to be problems. In the case of creation, I wouldn't set my system up in a unbalanced way, and expect it to correct itself. Then punish my equipment, by burning it, and just replace it, with new equipment, not spend the time setting it up, and just repeating the process.

The question is, why allow problems, when you know you're just going to burn the problematic situations.

I've found that the above mentioned relegions, are more fulfilling, by their inherent connection with nature. As it is "natural". Whereas, christianity makes you disconnect yourself from nature. Or allows you to connect to nature when it's convenient to the laws of the relegion.

If you adhere to the principles of nature, and cycle yourself with the cycles of nature, you, most likely, will lean towards the green relegions.

Why create such fulfilling faiths that cooincide with nature, if something that is "natural" is wrong?

 

[talitha]

I can understand your feeling here. As I was reading your post, however, I also understood something else. The whole point of creating this planet and this natural-plane existence was not to make something that would run like a well-oiled machine. This world is temporary. It is a controlled situation in which our responses to God are crucial and have eternal bearing. Crisis points are actually very good for us, eternally speaking, because they tend to move people toward right decisions.

 

[aiki]

In my own searches, I have found a much simpler version of the Ten Commandments. While I am not expounding upon the whole of commandments for these "relegions", I find that the statement of "And it harm non, do what thou will" to be more satisfactory. From a moral standpoint, this covers all situations.

That's nice. Thanks for your opinion. You know, the Bible sums up the Ten Commandments this way: "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; you shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Ga. 5:14) I think this is a far superior guiding principle for personal conduct than the one you offered above. For starters, it is not nearly as self-centered.

I do not believe that God, in His infinite wisdom, would have provided the abilities of human nature, if it weren't in cooincidence with his thoughts on how humanity should behave.

Oh? Why's that? And how do you know God has "infinite wisdom"? Where'd you get that idea from?

To create something, knowing it is wrong, then punishing it is, for lack of a better term, sadistic.

I suppose, but this isn't what God has done. There is a Heaven and a Hell; there is reward as well as punishment. This fact alone defeats the idea that the God of the Bible is "sadistic".

There seems to be a massive disconnect between what god wants, and what he has provided or allowed.

When I set up a home theater system, I don't allow for there to be problems. In the case of creation, I wouldn't set my system up in a unbalanced way, and expect it to correct itself. Then punish my equipment, by burning it, and just replace it, with new equipment, not spend the time setting it up, and just repeating the process.

The question is, why allow problems, when you know you're just going to burn the problematic situations.

What does this question and analogy have to do with the God of the Bible? As far as the Christian faith is concerned, your analogy doesn't accurately reflect the situation it is attempting to describe.

I've found that the above mentioned relegions, are more fulfilling, by their inherent connection with nature. As it is "natural". Whereas, christianity makes you disconnect yourself from nature. Or allows you to connect to nature when it's convenient to the laws of the relegion.

How can you usefully compare degrees of fulfillment between one religion and another unless you have fully experienced the fulfillment of both? Have you experienced the deep, soul-satisfying fulfillment of being at peace with God and having His Holy Spirit living within you? Have you felt the incredible joy and profound contentment that wells up within when you worship Jesus as your Creator and Saviour? If not, how can you legitimately make a comparison between this kind of fulfillment and what fulfillment you say you derive from Wiccan/Pagan involvement?

The truth is, if you had the genuine article, if you were truly born-again and thereby able to taste of the fulfillment only being at peace with God can bring, you would not now be dabbling in Wicca or Pagan religion.

If you adhere to the principles of nature, and cycle yourself with the cycles of nature, you, most likely, will lean towards the green relegions.

Uh, huh.

Why create such fulfilling faiths that cooincide with nature, if something that is "natural" is wrong?

"Create"? What do you mean? Are you saying you think these "green religions" are God's doing?

Peace to you.

 

[heron]

When I set up a home theater system, I don't allow for there to be problems. In the case of creation, I wouldn't set my system up in a unbalanced way.

Wait until you're a parent. All that will fly out the window.

You can't allow people to be creative, inquisitive, inventive, and caring without giving them freedom to move.

 

[talitha]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to heron again.

that was a good word, sis!

 

[Merlin]

If you seek only *religion* there are many options.
Christianity is more.

As for your home theater, what do you do if it doesn't work?
Jesus is the 'service tech' who fixes defective equipment.
Only in humans, the equipment can choose to be repaired or not.

 

[MelissaShae]

If you seek only *religion* there are many options.
Christianity is more.

As for your home theater, what do you do if it doesn't work?
Jesus is the 'service tech' who fixes defective equipment.
Only in humans, the equipment can choose to be repaired or not.

Couldn't have said it better myself!!

 

[heron]

again.

Hey, what did I miss! Thanks.

Whereas, christianity makes you disconnect yourself from nature.

? Not sure where that came from. I feel very connected with nature... except right now when I'm in front of my computer. I don't talk with trees, but I do chat with visiting dogs and squirrels. (Eek, my secrets are revealed!)

I realize that what you're saying comes from study of the cycles and other concepts of your faith, but be careful of making blanket statements about people of other religions -- you're pulling down one to build up another. (Yeah, we do the same thing....)

Why create such fulfilling faiths that cooincide with nature, if something that is "natural" is wrong?

Needs clarification-- what specifically is wrong with nature within Christianity?

 

[Deren]

In my own searches, I have found a much simpler version of the Ten Commandments. While I am not expounding upon the whole of commandments for these "relegions", I find that the statement of "And it harm non, do what thou will" to be more satisfactory. From a moral standpoint, this covers all situations.

Quite to the contrary, because your tenet is based upon ethical relativism, meaning that justice cannot be served. Instead, whoever happens to wield the most power at any given times determines what is harmful and what is not. And given the darkness of men's hearts, if enough people were foolish enough to follow your dictum, it wouldn't be long until those same foolish people would be clamoring for a tyrannical dictator to get rid of the tyrannical dictator oppressing them. So, your statements has absolutely zero merit to it when the big picture is taken into view.

I do not believe that God, in His infinite wisdom, would have provided the abilities of human nature, if it weren't in cooincidence with his thoughts on how humanity should behave.

Just because God provided human ability does not mean that humanity has subscribed to everything God has commanded; and it hasn't. So, I'm not exacty sure what you're saying here, but it seems pretty far out of balance.

To create something, knowing it is wrong, then punishing it is, for lack of a better term, sadistic.

Yet, to create something, inform it that certain behavior will result in certain judgment is what? I'd call that loving and merciful if you ask me. And for someone to ignore the plain warning? Well, since you seem pretty high on human ability, I'll let you determine that one.

There seems to be a massive disconnect between what god wants, and what he has provided or allowed.

Only someone who has never taken the time to read God's revelation would come to such a conclusion.

[quot]When I set up a home theater system, I don't allow for there to be problems.[/quote]

Are your home theatre systems living, breathing creatures that have been instilled with a will to decide whether to cause problems? For some reason, I doubt it. Hence, your analogy is an immediate "massive disconnect" right from the get-go.

The question is, why allow problems, when you know you're just going to burn the problematic situations.

Again, your ignorance of God's revelation is revealing itself. Where does it say anywhere in God's book that the only solution to man's problems is to burn it?

I've found that the above mentioned relegions, are more fulfilling, by their inherent connection with nature. As it is "natural". Whereas, christianity makes you disconnect yourself from nature. Or allows you to connect to nature when it's convenient to the laws of the relegion.

One more time, your ignorance is revealing, since only Christianity can give an accurate accounting of just what nature is for, and the Christian's place in nature.

If you adhere to the principles of nature, and cycle yourself with the cycles of nature, you, most likely, will lean towards the green relegions.

Otherwise known as paganistic idolatry which God abhors and will torch one day.

Why create such fulfilling faiths that cooincide with nature, if something that is "natural" is wrong?

God didn't create idolatrous "nature" religions, though. Man did in his effort to fill a huge, religious vacuum in his soul when he decided to rebel against God. And it is only when God intercedes in behalf of religious men and women to regenerate their otherwise spiritually dead and rebellious souls, that they are reconciled back to Him. So, sorry to burst your bubble, but what you're following, and have offered as an alternative to truth, falls way short of reality.

There is only one way that God has provided whereby men may discover truth, not only about nature, but about God Himself, and that way is the person of Jesus Christ and the redemption he provides. Anything else is merely the machinations of men wanting to exalt themselves to seat of God, as gods, and God has already stated that that is not going to happen.