Views of Evolution Depend on Knowledge

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

If we have problems that should be easily solved there is usually gridlock somewhere, and it's often that the problem is still "being studied" by the experts.

Your assumption is painfully and woefully incorrect.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Then you're a fool.

Ouch!

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Your assumption is painfully and woefully incorrect.

It's an observation, not an assumption.

Science: "Be nice and people will change."
Reality: "Be tough and people must change."

People take advantage of 'nice', but they also understand 'tough'. Scientists often live in their 'nice' bubble insulated from reality. Many problems require tough, practical solutions however.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It's an observation, not an assumption.

No, it's most definitely an assumption. And a very incorrect one too.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, it's most definitely an assumption. And a very incorrect one too.

And you know that how?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

And you know that how?

Who hires the scientists do to studies on anything that involves the government in any way shape or form?

 

[DogmaHunter]

If one believes in creation why study evolution?

Indeed. That's the intellectual lazyness that one ends up with when pretending to have the answers before actually asking and investigating the questions.

 

[DogmaHunter]

It's like the concept of design. Science says there is no purposeful design in nature

Science says no such thing.
Such negative statements are without any merrit or value.

This doesn't make sense to me as I see design all over the place;

And my 3-year old son "sees" faces in clouds.

like birds wings are designed not only to fly 'straight and level' but to do some pretty complicated aerial acrobatics as well.

Really? Pinguin and ostrich wings disagree.
Also, such physical traits were "designed" by the evolutionary process.

 

[DogmaHunter]

You do not have choice. You have to worship knowledge.

What do you mean by the word "worship"?
Because in the traditional definition of that word, that statement doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I'm more concerned with the logical consequences of the theory than with the process.

So, your objection is emotional?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So, your objection is emotional?

Logical conclusions are hardly emotional.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Science says no such thing.
Such negative statements are without any merrit or value.



And my 3-year old son "sees" faces in clouds.



Really? Pinguin and ostrich wings disagree.
Also, such physical traits were "designed" by the evolutionary process.

Penguins do some amazing 'flying' under water using their 'wings'. Ostriches use their wings defensively and as balancers when running.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Indeed. That's the intellectual lazyness that one ends up with when pretending to have the answers before actually asking and investigating the questions.

The road of evolutionary study leads to a giant rabbit hole.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Who hires the scientists do to studies on anything that involves the government in any way shape or form?

Many government policies take scientific studies into consideration. Congressional hearings often involve scientists. Government also funds many scientific programs.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Also, such physical traits were "designed" by the evolutionary process.

I thought evolutionary changes weren't really designed,
but happen accidently,
and if useful might give an advantage,
that might be passed on.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Penguins do some amazing 'flying' under water using their 'wings'. Ostriches use their wings defensively and as balancers when running.

...and Emus? What are Emu wings used for?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

...and Emus? What are Emu wings used for?

Large buffalo wings?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Large buffalo wings?

not even close since we generally don't eat Emu, there's no musculature to their...<cough> "wings" to eat anyway. so Again, Why are they there?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Many government policies take scientific studies into consideration. Congressional hearings often involve scientists. Government also funds many scientific programs.

You are so close to the answer I'm driving at, but you keep swerving off the road!

 

[Ophiolite]

The road of evolutionary study leads to a giant rabbit hole.

Yet deep as this rabbit hole is, it does not reach to Cambrian. All is well Ms. Liddell.