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[Handmaid for Jesus]

 

[tatteredsoul]

Seeking death and not finding it is not the same as man defeating death himself.

No one is going to "defeat death;" if we are taking score, Christ has already done that.

What we are talking about is immortality vaccines, pills and other longevity technology already existent today.

You can alter your genes so that your healing factor is acfelersted making you seem immortal (transhumanism.) You may not live forever, but as your tongue dissolves in your mouth, you regenerate another tongue and experience the same thing. Over and over again until you have no more energy left to regenerate. Or, you cold survive nuclear holocaust morbidly disfigured, but alive. Transhumanism already allows for extended life, accelerated healing, strength, psionic ability, and many other "abilities." It is already here and has been here for a long time. And, this is by altering only a few fractions of a percent of your genetic makeup. Imagine a 20%, 50%, or even 75%+ genetic overhaul.

 

[ewq1938]

ok, that is a different perspective than mine. I think our Father will allow man to engineer a false immortality by the trans-human technology.

I don't see anything like that described in scripture though. Plus, the verse you are using says they seek death and don't find it not seek a form of eternal life and find it.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I don't see anything like that described in scripture though. Plus, the verse you are using says they seek death and don't find it not seek a form of eternal life and find it.

It implies that they have a form of immortality because they cannot die for some reason even though they seek death.

 

[ewq1938]

It implies that they have a form of immortality because they cannot die for some reason even though they seek death.

You are still missing it. They want to die not want to live. What you are proposing is man wanting to live longer and possibly being able to. The verse shows something totally different. Also there is nothing in the passage about them being altered into different kinds of humans or whatever. They are being tormented and want to die but God doesn't allow it. They will die when God wants them too, it's as simple as that.

 

[tatteredsoul]

First off these are all fiction. Some are literal heroes in the stories not evil demonized people. Lastly, the bible doesn't support that people will be given super human powers by demons or satan.

Art imitates life (not the other way around.) X-men - and most all fantasy comics focusing on superheroes - are a regurgitation of Egyptian, Atlantean, Hebrew, Sumerian, Greek and Phoenician history/tales/legends/etc. Xmen specifically used these histories as story lines in the comics in the form of metaphors for various civil rights issues/activists/icons.

Apocalypse and the 4 horsemen from X-men is obvious.

The 100 is misleading; in truth the literal description of the show takes place after the battle at Har Meggido. This is also the time frame when Christ back, because it is at the seventh bowl/vial pouring (of course, this is not the focus.) The technological advances are implicit of at least mass support of gene manipulation.

I am Number Four is a Lumerian legend. The movie was correct in the legend when it states there was a supposed interplanetary war, and in the process Mars''s atmosphere was stripped away - but planet Lumeria was destroyed. According to the story, it was a highly advanced, possible home based planet of the Atlanteans (and or Terrestrial Lumerians.) The destruction of planet Lumerian is responsible for the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupier.

The originals are about vampires and wearwolves. These characters are from (Eastern) European, African and Asian legends based on Vlad the Impaler obtaining the power of a son of the devil so that he could defeat his enemies (vampires,) and witches/sorcerers with powers of transformation and charm shapeshifting into dogs, jackals, and wolves.

And, the lot of fantasty film, art and literature follows suit based on similar stories.

These are at the core fantasies based on histories and legends of angelic, hybrid and demonic activity. And, a lot of cultures have romanticized thesee entities. The shows I mentioned are a few of many pieces of cultural and artistic work that favor the non-humans and/or altered/powered/magical protagonists.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

I would reply to her with the same information that I used above. The size of the universe is irrelevant. If there is "soul life" elsewhere they're fallen just like we are. They'd be told of a Redeemer just like we are. The thing is, none of this stuff would make any sense to them. Earth? Suffering Servant? Crucifixion? Jerusalem? Bethlehem? Resurrection? Etc. I just don't think God would give such an impossible to understand message to "soul life", which rules out such life regardless of how large the universe is.

Why would beings from another planet inherit the sin of Adam?

 

[tatteredsoul]

You are still missing it. They want to die not want to live. What you are proposing is man wanting to live longer and possibly being able to. The verse shows something totally different. Also there is nothing in the passage about them being altered into different kinds of humans or whatever. They are being tormented and want to die but God doesn't allow it. They will die when God wants them too, it's as simple as that.

What I am saying and what I think Handmaid is saying is that verse is a consequence of people taking on transhumanism before these judgments - when things are "good." It is already happening now; there is an experimental vaccine that could extend human life to 200 years. If that is mainstream, no doubt they have ways to alter your genetics to speed up your healing.

So, when that judgment does come, it will be torture for those people who chose transhumanism because they forfeited their protection by taking the mark of the beast/literally with their mind and actions doing exactly the abomination that got the people in trouble before Noah. (This is also why the end will be as the days of Noah.) The people that chose transhumanism will want to die, but cannot because they chose to alter their DNA. The entities of the abyss Apollyon will open are specifically charged with torturing them for the time of a season of the locust. It will be a time people will wish they didn't alter their DNA, and "go beyond" the genetic potential of a regular human naturally existent. Can you imagine a solar flare that reaches 400 degrees, and you just burn in agony because the rate of burning you is slightly slower than your healing factor (due to your altered genetics)? A regular human would be dead in moments.

 

[ewq1938]

What I am saying and what I think Handmaid is saying is that verse is a consequence of people taking on transhumanism before these judgments - when things are "good." It is already happening now; there is an experimental vaccine that could extend human life to 200 years. If that is mainstream, no doubt they have ways to alter your genetics to speed up your healing.

So, when that judgment does come, it will be torture for those people who chose transhumanism because they forfeited their protection by taking the mark of the beast/literally with their mind and actions doing exactly the abomination that got the people in trouble before Noah. (This is also why the end will be as the days of Noah.) The people that chose transhumanism will want to die, but cannot because they chose to alter their DNA. The entities of the abyss Apollyon will open are specifically charged with torturing them for the time of a season of the locust. It will be a time people will wish they didn't alter their DNA, and "go beyond" the genetic potential of a regular human naturally existent. Can you imagine a solar flare that reaches 400 degrees, and you just burn in agony because the rate of burning you is slightly slower than your healing factor (due to your altered genetics)? A regular human would be dead in moments.

Show me a verse showing transhumanism. The passage shows the people being tormented not "improved".

 

[tatteredsoul]

Show me a verse showing transhumanism. The passage shows the people being tormented not "improved".

Transhumanism isn't an improvement. It is just marketed as such.

The Bible says it will be just like the days of Noah: the reason God caused the flood was because everyone had become so evil that they were all genetically mixed with fallen seed - except Noah and his sons. The exact same thing is happening today under the guise of "alien" encounters, or direct demonic assault (succubus/incubus) and everything in between. Altering your DNA in terms of transhumanism is what happens in these encounters with demons especially if it is consensual.

Genesis 6
Luke 17:26
Matthew 24:37-39

 

[ewq1938]

Transhumanism isn't an improvement. It is just marketed as such.

The term is irrelevant. I am talking about the passage quoted. Where is any concept of Transhumanism happening?

Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
Rev 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
Rev 9:8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
Rev 9:9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
Rev 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

I don't see Transhumanism happening to the ones who want to die but can't. They clearly want to die because of the torment not because they are transcending humanism.

 

[daleksteve]

I don't believe man will ever defeat death on his own.

I think man will do it in the future.

Pretty dumb thing to do though cause once everybody can live forever what would be the point of starting a new life. Makes the act of sex and marriage a pointless exercise.

 

[daleksteve]

The technology is available to make men and women into ex-humans, call it trans-human where they transcend humanity. Of course like Esau men will trade their birthright of eternal life with our Father for a morsel of temporaary super power. Have you all ever heard of the Crispr cast 9 technology that is available to all the governments of the world?

Technology now also exists, although still ratherl imited to turn humans into part cyborgs. Your going to see a future where limbs and parts of the body are cybernized.

 

[daleksteve]

They are definitely demon hybrids. Either Nephilim, Rephaim, Enim, or Anakim. They may even be something else, but I have heard them being a dying race from Theta Reticula, that they are the pawns of reptilian and do their dirty scout work, and so on.

They are definitely NOT friendly. There are the small grays, and there are gargantuan grays like most other "races." They are very powerful, and intelligent. Dulcee in NM has an area designated as "Hell," where many people have encountered these entities (and even suffered injury or death from attacks.)

They are basically a slave race to really nasty reptilian Aliens called reptiiods. These reptile Aliens are not ones to mess around with, they are the master strategists for galaxy wide domination. It is also alleged that they live on human blood.

There are similar reptile Aliens or a hybrid type of reptoids living on earth right now called Chupacabras known as the vampire goat sucker. Weather these Aliens are trapped here on or choose to live here is another matter. they like to terrorise Puerto Rico and surrounding islands, they have also been spotted in Mexico and Florida.

 

[daleksteve]

Why would beings from another planet inherit the sin of Adam?

They have not. There would have been an Adam on their own world who sinned against god at some stage. Satan has pretty much screwed up the WHOLE of gods creation on a big scale causing sin wherever he goes.

Some of these worlds would have existed before God had even made our earth and Adam. one thing i still don't get is why God decided to create our world when he knew that Satan would come around and mess it up.

All though we seem to know very little about what went on heaven pre creation of earth it seems god was well at war with Satan and his army of fallen angels.

 

[daleksteve]

They are definitely demon hybrids. Either Nephilim, Rephaim, Enim, or Anakim.

Nope they are none of these. The Greys have only been visiting since the 20th century, these are new guys. There is hardly any evidence of Greys popping up through out most of human history, although they may have visited ancient Egypt.

These are a new type of alien/demon that have little links to biblical events or human history. Why have they only shown up in the 20th century? That could be because we are now drawing attention to ourselves. Sending messages and probes into space, intelligences in our milky way galaxy certainly know we are here.

 

[MelissaUK]

Never really thought about it. It's scary. Think it is most likely stories, make-believe and imagination.

 

[tatteredsoul]

Nope they are none of these. The Greys have only been visiting since the 20th century, these are new guys. There is hardly any evidence of Greys popping up through out most of human history, although they may have visited ancient Egypt.

These are a new type of alien/demon that have little links to biblical events or human history. Why have they only shown up in the 20th century? That could be because we are now drawing attention to ourselves. Sending messages and probes into space, intelligences in our milky way galaxy certainly know we are here.

Hmm...

Would make sense seeing as they conduct themselves like scouts, or specimen harvesters.

I would say the "new" 4ft - 6ft grays are genetc creation of the larger species/race - definitely hybrids of some sort. You think the 9ft - up tall, shape shifting, assault entities are new/not classic hybrids also? The ones at Dulcee have maimed and killed many armed humans. The usual abductor sized grays seem to rely on psychic ability like sleep paralysis, hypnosis and reality warping. I have heard abduction stories describing the small ones as fragil, with people describing killing them with their bare hands.

 

[tatteredsoul]

They are basically a slave race to really nasty reptilian Aliens called reptiiods. These reptile Aliens are not ones to mess around with, they are the master strategists for galaxy wide domination. It is also alleged that they live on human blood.

There are similar reptile Aliens or a hybrid type of reptoids living on earth right now called Chupacabras known as the vampire goat sucker. Weather these Aliens are trapped here on or choose to live here is another matter. they like to terrorise Puerto Rico and surrounding islands, they have also been spotted in Mexico and Florida.

I know about reptoids. A lot of scary lore is based on those entities (like Vampires.) The movie "Dark Angel" touches on them, where an alien pumps heroine into random people, causing their blood to be filled with endorphins and other hormones. The blood is food for the alien, and the hormones in human blood give the alien a rush - like cocaine.

Reptoids like to induce fear in their victims because the adrenaline in the blood makes it like a delicacy. Pain and fear. They are known for vicious attacks.

 

[MelissaUK]

They are basically a slave race to really nasty reptilian Aliens called reptiiods. These reptile Aliens are not ones to mess around with, they are the master strategists for galaxy wide domination. It is also alleged that they live on human blood.

There are similar reptile Aliens or a hybrid type of reptoids living on earth right now called Chupacabras known as the vampire goat sucker. Weather these Aliens are trapped here on or choose to live here is another matter. they like to terrorise Puerto Rico and surrounding islands, they have also been spotted in Mexico and Florida.

daleksteve - how do you know? Are you talking about Dr Who?