View on aliens.

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I don't believe in them I believe what's in the Bible.

Do you believe in angels? They are in the Bible.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I saw this and found it relevant to this thread(not that I believe it mind you.

 

[daleksteve]

No I don't. I don't believe that UFOs are visitors from other planets either.

They are vistors from other planets

Well, I think there are some "legitimate" Unidentified Flying Objects, but I also think that if we had more information that we'd be able to explain what they are. I think they are earthly, that they are not spiritual, and are most likely common things like helicopters, airplanes, weather balloons, drones, etc. The ones that haven't been explained by natural phenomena are likely (imo) something of this ilk but can't be proven. And again, although I don't currently think this, I wouldn't rule out a secret government program.

If they are earthly then they could be secret military aircraft. A lot of UFO sightings often happen near top secret bases such as area 51.

However i i think they are Alien spacecraft because UFO sightings are not a modern phenomenon. UFO's have been seen for thousands of years, they appear in the bible and are often described as fiery chariots, they pop up in every religion and ancient culture on earth. Even Astronauts have claimed to see UFOs while in space.

 

[daleksteve]

Why? A lot of UFO experts say there is a supernatural element to them, and other people say that Jesus's name stops alien abductions.

The word supernatural is just a term to explain something that we don't understand or comprehend. A lot of UFO abductees speak of time distortions when abductions happen. Such an experience can feel supernatural but all that is at play here is just Advanced Alien Technology.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

The word supernatural is just a term to explain something that we don't understand or comprehend. A lot of UFO abductees speak of time distortions when abductions happen. Such an experience can feel supernatural but all that is at play here is just Advanced Alien Technology.

Well, I believe in angels. I think we will see angel manifestations the closer we get to the return of the Lord Jesus. That imho is supernatural/spiritual,extraterrestrial whatever you might want to call it. It is funny how back in the time of the Bible writers, they understood supernatural occurrences , but intelligent us in the 21st century are always trying to make the supernatural mundane.

 

[daleksteve]

Well, I believe in angels. I think we will see angel manifestations the closer we get to the return of the Lord Jesus. That imho is supernatural/spiritual,extraterrestrial whatever you might want to call it. It is funny how back in the time of the Bible writers, they understood supernatural occurrences , but intelligent us in the 21st century are always trying to make the supernatural mundane.

Actually your wrong. Its because bible writers did not possess the knowledge we now have in the 21st century that they often saw these occurrences as supernatural.

This is nothing new, it has happened a lot through history. Pretty much anything that was never fully understood was classed as supernatural. In the middle ages they used to burn people with epilepsy as witches as they were possed by supernatural evil spirits. Of course today we are smart enough to know that epilepsy is an just an illness and not a sign or mark of the devil or any other supernatural mumbo jumbo.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Actually your wrong. Its because bible writers did not possess the knowledge we now have in the 21st century that they often saw these occurrences as supernatural.

This is nothing new, it has happened a lot through history. Pretty much anything that was never fully understood was classed as supernatural. In the middle ages they used to burn people with epilepsy as witches as they were possed by supernatural evil spirits. Of course today we are smart enough to know that epilepsy is an just an illness and not a sign or mark of the devil or any other supernatural mumbo jumbo.

No, you are wrong. Let God be true and every man a liar.

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

The word of God does not lie. If the bible says there are angels and evil spirits then there are angels and evil spirits.

Nebuchadnezzar saw an angel...
Dan. 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

He saw four men in the fire but he only threw three into the furnace. There is no mundane way to explain how these three came out of that fire with not even a hair singed and not even the smell of smoke was upon them.
And here...

Mark 9:
17 And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit;

18 And wheresoever he taketh him, he teareth him: and he foameth, and gnasheth with his teeth, and pineth away: and I spake to thy disciples that they should cast him out; and they could not.

This is clearly what today's doctors call epilepsy, but the child's father recognized an evil spirit. Lord Jesus agreed with the father and not today's doctors. Look...

Mark 8:
25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.

26 And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead.

27 But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he arose.

There is no mundane way to explain this supernatural event. All doctors can do for epilepsy today is medicate. They do not deal with the spirit that is at the root of the problem. The Bible does not lie.

 

[daleksteve]

No, you are wrong. Let God be true and every man a liar.

Mark 9:
17 And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit;

18 And wheresoever he taketh him, he teareth him: and he foameth, and gnasheth with his teeth, and pineth away: and I spake to thy disciples that they should cast him out; and they could not.

This is clearly what today's doctors call epilepsy, but the child's father recognized an evil spirit. Lord Jesus agreed with the father and not today's doctors.

There is no mundane way to explain this supernatural event. All doctors can do for epilepsy today is medicate. They do not deal with the spirit that is at the root of the problem. The Bible does not lie.

This is utter nonsense. Epilepsy has nothing to do with evil spirits or the supernatural. It is caused by electrical activity in the brain. A seizure is caused by an abnormal electrical discharge in the brain, in other words a short circuit. Your brain is actually just a very advanced super computer that controls your whole body. You only use about 30% of the Brain. Scientist and doctors are still not clear what the other 70% does if it actually does anything.

Yes there are evil spirits and demonic possesion does occur but they have nothing to do with Epilepsy or mental illness etc. This sort of religious voodoo supernatural nonsense should stay in the middle ages where it belongs.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

This is utter nonsense. Epilepsy has nothing to do with evil spirits or the supernatural. It is caused by electrical activity in the brain. A seizure is caused by an abnormal electrical discharge in the brain, in other words a short circuit. Your brain is actually just a very advanced super computer that controls your whole body. You only use about 30% of the Brain. Scientist and doctors are still not clear what the other 70% does if it actually does anything.

Yes there are evil spirits and demonic possesion does occur but they have nothing to do with Epilepsy or mental illness etc. This sort of religious voodoo supernatural nonsense should stay in the middle ages where it belongs.

So you are saying that doctors and scientists know more than Lord Jesus Christ! OK Gotcha.

 

[daleksteve]

No, you are wrong. Let God be true and every man a liar.

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

The word of God does not lie. If the bible says there are angels and evil spirits then there are angels and evil spirits.

Of course there are angels and evil spirits but you are confusing them with Aliens and think they are one and the same, they are not. Aliens are physical beings like you and me and they can die or be killed. You cannot kill an Angel or an evil spirit. Supernatural Angels don't require lots of advanced technology to travel across the universe. When they appear in the bible its supernaturally. When Aliens appear in the bible its normally in fiery chariots of silvery clouds as the bible writers like to describe their spacecraft. The prophet Ezziekel saw Aliens and describes them and the craft he saw.

Both Angels and Aliens appear in the bible.

 

[dysert]

Both Angels and Aliens appear in the bible.

If you don't mind, would you post a Scripture reference that's talking about aliens? Thanks.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Of course there are angels and evil spirits but you are confusing them with Aliens and think they are one and the same, they are not.

I am not confusing them. According to scripture in Genesis 6.
Gen. 6:
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

In the book of Enoch.
Enoch 7:
1. It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful.

2. And when the angels, the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.

Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Enoch 7:
10. Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.

11. And the women conceiving brought forth giants,

12. Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labour of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;

13. When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them;

It is the offspring of angels and women who can be killed.

 

[daleksteve]

So you are saying that doctors and scientists know more than Lord Jesus Christ! OK Gotcha.

I am not saying that at all. Your just being rather foolish by twisting scripture to portray people with Mental Illness and Epilepsy as somehow being under the control of an evil spirit. I am also rather offended by the suggestion because my father suffers from Epilepsy and he is not possessed by a demon or any other supernatural being.

I also have the advantage that i know more about the condition than you do. Did you know some forms of the condition are hereditary which places me in a risk group of perhaps getting a form of it myself in the future. So going by your perverting of scripture i can look forwards to the possibility of my father passing an evil demon onto me that will cause me to have sezuires in the future.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Supernatural Angels don't require lots of advanced technology to travel across the universe. When they appear in the bible its supernaturally. When Aliens appear in the bible its normally in fiery chariots of silvery clouds as the bible writers like to describe their spacecraft. The prophet Ezziekel saw Aliens and describes them and the craft he saw.

Where in scripture does the Word make this distinction? I have not seen this.

 

[daleksteve]

If you don't mind, would you post a Scripture reference that's talking about aliens? Thanks.

Ok i will kindly do so. This is the best of the lot.

Ezekiel 1

Genesis 6:1-22

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I am not saying that at all. Your just being rather foolish by twisting scripture to portray people with Mental Illness and Epilepsy as somehow being under the control of an evil spirit. I am also rather offended by the suggestion because my father suffers from Epilepsy and he is not possessed by a demon or any other supernatural being.

I am sorry to hear about your father. But I stand by the word of God. I do not intend to offend you. But I will suggest you believe the word of God .

I also have the advantage that i know more about the condition than you do. Did you know some forms of the condition are hereditary which places me in a risk group of perhaps getting a form of it myself in the future. So going by your perverting of scripture i can look forwards to the possibility of my father passing an evil demon onto me that will cause me to have sezuires in the future.

If you are a believing Christian,, a child of God, you have the same authority that the Apostles had man, don't you know this? Get off of the milk bottle and deliver your family. You don't really know more than I do because I have worked in the mental health field where demons manifest and doctors don't want you to mention the name of Jesus. Why, because of money. If the person gets delivered and set free, doctors make no more money. We see that in the book of Acts.

Acts 16:
16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:

17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

19 And when her masters saw that the hope of their gains was gone, they caught Paul and Silas, and drew them into the marketplace unto the rulers,

20 And brought them to the magistrates, saying, These men, being Jews, do exceedingly trouble our city,

21 And teach customs, which are not lawful for us to receive, neither to observe, being Romans.

22 And the multitude rose up together against them: and the magistrates rent off their clothes, and commanded to beat them.

23 And when they had laid many stripes upon them, they cast them into prison, charging the jailor to keep them safely:

24 Who, having received such a charge, thrust them into the inner prison, and made their feet fast in the stocks.

25 And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.

26 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.

27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.

28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.

29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

See how her handlers got angry because their source of income had been delivered. All sickness and disease is from Satan. Our Father does not make us sick. Lord Jesus gave us authority over sickness, but today's church does not know this. Jesus said this...
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Do you believe this? If you do, then you should speak to the problem in the name of Jesus and the person shall be delivered. That is what scripture teaches. It is true whether people believe it or not.

James said this

James 5:
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

So follow those simple instructions.

 

[daleksteve]

Where in scripture does the Word make this distinction? I have not seen this.

There are beings who travel in flying machines in the bible. That is clear in scripture. Now from what the bible tells us Angels are spiritual beings have inate power so don't need technology or vehicles to travel around from place to place.

This is how you tell the difference. There are also biblical reference to Angels having sex and even eating with humans. Spiritual beings can't have sex and they don't need food.

Most people believe that angels are in heaven, and demons, or fallen angels, are trapped in hell. Aliens, on the other hand, if they exist, are free to roam about in outer space. People generally define heaven and hell as spiritual places beyond our reality, while outer space is within our reality.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

There are beings who travel in flying machines in the bible. That is clear in scripture. Now from what the bible tells us Angels are spiritual beings have inate power so don't need technology or vehicles to travel around from place to place.

This is how you tell the difference. There are also biblical reference to Angels having sex and even eating with humans. Spiritual beings can't have sex and they don't need food.

Most people believe that angels are in heaven, and demons, or fallen angels, are trapped in hell. Aliens, on the other hand, if they exist, are free to roam about in outer space. People generally define heaven and hell as spiritual places beyond our reality, while outer space is within our reality.

I see you need to study more.

 

[dysert]

Ok i will kindly do so. This is the best of the lot.

Ezekiel 1

Genesis 6:1-22

Thanks, but Ezek. 1 sounds a whole lot like angels (cf. Rev. 4), and there's great debate about the "giants" (or the "sons of God") of Gen. 6. If this is "the best of the lot", I'll stick to my belief that there are no aliens.

 

[daleksteve]

I am sorry to hear about your father. But I stand by the word of God. I do not intend to offend you. But I will suggest you believe the word of God .


If you are a believing Christian,, a child of God, you have the same authority that the Apostles had man, don't you know this? Get off of the milk bottle and deliver your family. You don't really know more than I do because I have worked in the mental health field where demons manifest and doctors don't want you to mention the name of Jesus. Why, because of money. If the person gets delivered and set free, doctors make no more money. We see that in the book of Acts.

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I am a child of God but i believe God can heal people but i don't prescribe to medieval claptrap about mentally ill people being possessed by demons, i am way to smart for that. Do you have the gift of Discerning of spirits or Deliverance, if so i might take you a little more seriously.

I have read the same scriptures as you its just that i interpret them differently than you do. I apply a bit of reason and common sense when looking at Gods word. Faith and religion can become a dangerous thing if you don't do this.

The only demons are the drink, illegal drugs and social issues that often lead to some mental health issues and them demons can be banished by creating a better and fairer society for everybody to live in.