Victory Over Sin

[Byfaithalone1]

What does this phrase mean?

BFA

 

[Cribstyl]

What does this phrase mean?

BFA

It means 2 things to me.

1. There will be no condemnation by the law to those in Christ Jesus.

1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, [fn1]
2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, [fn2] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. [fn3] And so he condemned sin in sinful man, [fn4]
4 in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.



2. Jesus has triumph over the penalty of sin by His resurrection from the dead. And imputed rightoeusness is credited to believers.
23The words “it was credited to him” were written not for him alone,
24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness–for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.
25 He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.

 

[StormyOne]

It may mean nothing..... or perhaps it means victory over sinning willfully, but it may not even mean that... I mean at what point can a human declare that they have the victory over sin and will never sin again? I don't think that declaration can be made until one is changed by God to not "sin" again i.e. "then we are changed in a twinkling of an eye...."

 

[Joe67]

What does this phrase mean?

BFA

BFA,

Here is a witness whereby the Lord Jesus has spoken to my heart and mind concerning this question.

Rom 5:8-10
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. KJV

Rom 8:24-25
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
KJV


Joe

 

[singpeace]

It is a gift from God to us; delivered through the death of his Son, Jesus Christ. We are made free from the penalty of sin and given the gift of eternal life.

1 Corinthians 15:57
But thank God! He gives us victory over sin and death through our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Do humans need to experience "victory over sin" in order to be "right with God?"

BFA

 

[Adventtruth]

BFA,

Here is a witness whereby the Lord Jesus has spoken to my heart and mind concerning this question.

Rom 5:8-10
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. KJV

Rom 8:24-25
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
KJV


Joe

That is total victory over sin. Good for you!

AT

 

[Adventtruth]

What does this phrase mean?

BFA

It discribes what the position of all who have placed total trust in Christ. Our personal and corporate sin(s) are not held against us because we trust by faith alone.

AT

 

[Adventtruth]

Do humans need to experience "victory over sin" in order to be "right with God?"

BFA

Being right with God only comes one way.....through trusting in the Spotless Lamb of God. Any other way is to miss the mark.

AT

 

[Joe67]

The apostle John's witness in the 1st Epistle concerning the 3 fold experience in the love of God is vital.

1 John 2:12-14
12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.

13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one. KJV

1 John 5:6-8
6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. KJV

White light is the color of all three in one.

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Being right with God only comes one way.....through trusting in the Spotless Lamb of God. Any other way is to miss the mark.

AT

Does God bring us into "right relationship with Him" or do we do something to become "right with God?"

BFA

 

[Avonia]

Does God bring us into "right relationship with Him" or do we do something to become "right with God?"

BFA

A binary metamorphosis to or from "right with God" is a paralyzing human projection.

We are perfect just as we are and hopefully will get even better as we go along.

If God didn't want it this way, we wouldn't have been afforded the degrees of freedom defining our present creative context.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

A binary metamorphosis to or from "right with God" is a paralyzing human projection.

Particularly when we claim that it is human.

We are perfect just as we are and hopefully will get even better as we go along.

I've found no evidence to support that we're getting better or worse. I'd be interested in your definition of perfection.

If God didn't want it this way, we wouldn't have been afforded the degrees of freedom defining our present creative context.

Degrees of freedom?

BFA

 

[Adventtruth]

Does God bring us into "right relationship with Him" or do we do something to become "right with God?"

BFA

I dont think He brings us any where. He just declares us righteous and we are. When we finally realize and believe that He was born, lived, died and rose from the grave we are given the gift of His Spirit and saved from eternal death.

AT

 

[Avonia]

I've found no evidence to support that we're getting better or worse. I'd be interested in your definition of perfection.

We have two movements in our lives. One happens when we learn. And the other happens when we fail to learn and find ourselves in more difficult conditions.

When we fail to learn a lesson it does not make us less perfect. Nor does it make us more perfect when we learn a lesson.

 

[Joe67]

We have two movements in our lives. One happens when we learn. And the other happens when we fail to learn and find ourselves in more difficult conditions.

When we fail to learn a lesson it does not make us less perfect. Nor does it make us more perfect when we learn a lesson.

The Lord has preserved a witness to guide us.

Ezek 28:15
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. KJV

Ezek 28:18
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. KJV

Joe

 

[Avonia]

We know from experience that we can learn from our mistakes and treat each other lovingly, or we can be further consumed by fear and treat each other poorly.

When we choose the former, we coexist in more heavenly conditions. When we choose the latter, we coexist in more hellish conditions.

Whatever the mix, we are always in conditions that support learning. This is the insight of karma – or sowing and reaping.

 

[Joe67]

The Lord our God has left us another witness, through the Spirit of Jesus, the comforter of promise.

Gal 6:7-10
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith. KJV

This is true under the new covenant through the blood of the everlasting covenant, the blood of Jesus Christ our Lord.

Joe