Vicarage guidelines

[TheCosmicGospel]

Are there vicarage guidelines that allow the vicar in special circumstances to consecrate the elements without a pastor? Is this new or a recent development?

I was under a pastor in my vicarage and this seemed to be the rule back in the old days of 1983. Vicars don't consecrate! Every vicar has a supervisory pastor and if not on site, I felt arrangements were made to have the elements pre-consecrated by the vicarage pastor.

I am getting more and more weary with lay-led services and where vicars consecrate elements. Feel free to straighten me out. This too me is not that far from the grape juice communion down at the E-Free and at least that guy can preach.

The good news is that the new candidate will be arriving soon. If I can only hold out.

Peace,
Cos

 

[DaSeminarian]

Are there vicarage guidelines that allow the vicar in special circumstances to consecrate the elements without a pastor? Is this new or a recent development?

I was under a pastor in my vicarage and this seemed to be the rule back in the old days of 1983. Vicars don't consecrate! Every vicar has a supervisory pastor and if not on site, I felt arrangements were made to have the elements pre-consecrated by the vicarage pastor.

I am getting more and more weary with lay-led services and where vicars consecrate elements. Feel free to straighten me out. This too me is not that far from the grape juice communion down at the E-Free and at least that guy can preach.

The good news is that the new candidate will be arriving soon. If I can only hold out.

Peace,
Cos

Cos,

As a seminarian at Fort Wayne, I can tell you that we are not allowed to consecrate the elements. I don't know if they can be consecrated prior by the pastor, but since communion is not a necessity sacrament it can be with-held one Sunday if the Vicar is the only one officiating. He can do Matins or one of the other offices, or he can do the Divine Service without the sacrament.

 

[filosofer]

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If a vicar is assigned a congregation in which the supervising pastor is separated, then the District President (in LCMS) can authorize and the elders support the vicar in conducting the Lord's Supper while on vicarge, but limited to that congregation.

In Christ's love,
filo
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[TheCosmicGospel]

Thank you, filo. I should have known there was a "magic wand" somewhere. "Abracadabra! Wooosh!"

Ok, anyone know the origins of "abracadabra"? Did it come from the latin formula of the trinity?

Peace,
Cos

 

[DaRev]

Are there vicarage guidelines that allow the vicar in special circumstances to consecrate the elements without a pastor? Is this new or a recent development?

I was under a pastor in my vicarage and this seemed to be the rule back in the old days of 1983. Vicars don't consecrate! Every vicar has a supervisory pastor and if not on site, I felt arrangements were made to have the elements pre-consecrated by the vicarage pastor.

I am getting more and more weary with lay-led services and where vicars consecrate elements. Feel free to straighten me out. This too me is not that far from the grape juice communion down at the E-Free and at least that guy can preach.

The good news is that the new candidate will be arriving soon. If I can only hold out.

Vicars are not to consecrate elements for the Lord's Supper. Neither are they to pronounce absolution. Bith of those fall under the office of the keys whuch they do not yet possess.

Also, I have never heard of "preconsecrating" the elements. The Verba must be recited during the service of the Sacrament to be heard by the congregation. The Sacrament is the union of the Word and the elements. Without the Word, there is no Sacrament.

Thank you, filo. I should have known there was a "magic wand" somewhere. "Abracadabra! Wooosh!"

Ok, anyone know the origins of "abracadabra"? Did it come from the latin formula of the trinity?

While this is allowed in those circumstances, I am not in agreement with it, again because the vicar is not regularly called and does not possess the keys.

I don't know about "abracadabra", but "hocus pocus" came from the Latin form of the Verba "hocus corpus" which means "This is My body."

 

[TheCosmicGospel]

I really appreciate your input on this. I have just become more and more uneasy with this church's "we can get by without a pastor" attitude. Half the time it is entirely lay led because the vicar shares duties with the other congregation.

I think I know what I should be doing. I just hate to do it too.

Peace,
Cos

 

[ctay]

I really appreciate your input on this. I have just become more and more uneasy with this church's "we can get by without a pastor" attitude. Half the time it is entirely lay led because the vicar shares duties with the other congregation.

I think I know what I should be doing. I just hate to do it too.

Peace,
Cos

Almost the same thing with my church except the president of the congregation thinks he can get voted in and if anyone agrees can give communion. I let him know that I didn't think it was right. We just lost our pastor, he took a call. They are having guest pastors come. They found out they had to go by LCMS rules. We had a guest pastor come yesterday, he is retired and going to one of the LCMS churches locally don't know where he came from.