Verses That Disprove SDA Sabbath

[Standing Up]

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Both Paul and Luke are highly aware of Jewish customs as they “break bread” on Sunday in the Greek town of Troas. The previous verse:


“But we sailed from Philippi after the Festival of Unleavened Bread, and five days later joined the others at Troas, where we stayed seven days.”
--Acts 20:6 NIV



In other words, Paul stayed at one town, Philippi, long enough to complete the Festival of Unleavened Bread, or the Feast of the Passover. Verses 4&5 make it clear that others of his entourage had already moved on but Paul stayed in one place to celebrate Passover.



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What do you make of the fact these people and Paul were still observing unleavened bread in Phillipi c50ad?

 

[DeaconDean]

You guys always place the emphasis the wrong place. Read hebrews 8 - 10. What were the problems with the first covenant? How many times does it talk about the law there. The main emphasis placed when speaking about the difference in the covenant has to do with the Levitical priesthood and ceremonial ordinances. However, you do not talk about that at all because you are not being a tad objective. In the new covenant it says in Hebrews just like Jeremiah that God would place his laws in our hearts. What laws was God referring to in Jeremiah? Jesus taught about what it means to keep the law in the heart and it goes beyond the letter of the law. The letter of the law says thou shall not commit adultery. Keeping the law in the heart (spirit of the law) says that lusting after a woman means that you have already committed adultery. So in the new covenant God's moral code is embedded in our hearts. That's what the bible teaches.

Never argued against that. (Laws written on the heart)

But what I have a problem with, is the teaching of Seventh Day Adventists of ritual observance of the Law/Commandment.

And what did the first Apostolic Council, convened in 33 AD in Jerusalem say about the ritual, ceremonial, and moral laws?

"And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood." -Acts 15:15-20 (KJV)

Are you a Jew?

If not, then your a Gentile, and the extent of the Law that pertains to Gentiles is laid out here.

I see nothing in James' address or even Peter's that says Gentiles have to keep a Saturday sabbath.

When you get to heaven, and stand before your Maker, are you gonna plead how well you kept the sabbath?

It will do no good.

The Law as a mediator has been disposed. (That is why its called grace)

Paul, the Apostle to the uncircumcised, said:

"Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way." -Rom. 14:4-13 (KJV)

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[Going Merry]

It proves that Paul and Luke held Communion on Sunday, the first day of the week, which probably wouldn't be worth mentioning unless it was the regular day of worship.

As for your suggestion that "it would be more correct to say they came together after the Sabbath," you seem to be rewriting the Bible.


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Or just stating what the bible says.
Sabbath was and is always the seventh day.
It never changed :/

People worship on sunday though which i dont care about either.
saturday, sunday, make it wednesday, i dont care it doesnt even matter.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Never argued against that. (Laws written on the heart)

But what I have a problem with, is the teaching of Seventh Day Adventists of ritual observance of the Law/Commandment.

And what did the first Apostolic Council, convened in 33 AD in Jerusalem say about the ritual, ceremonial, and moral laws?

"And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood." -Acts 15:15-20 (KJV)

Are you a Jew?

If not, then your a Gentile, and the extent of the Law that pertains to Gentiles is laid out here.

I see nothing in James' address or even Peter's that says Gentiles have to keep a Saturday sabbath.

When you get to heaven, and stand before your Maker, are you gonna plead how well you kept the sabbath?

It will do no good.

The Law as a mediator has been disposed. (That is why its called grace)

Paul, the Apostle to the uncircumcised, said:

"Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way." -Rom. 14:4-13 (KJV)

God Bless

Till all are one.

So from this scripture all we have to worry about is to abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. So can I commit adultery or steal?

 

[IOWLBNIF]

So from this scripture all we have to worry about is to abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. So can I commit adultery or steal?

no, because you failed to understand this verse



The apostles and elders, your brothers,

To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

Farewell.


fornication is the same thing as sexual immorality, stop being legalistic

Definition for fornication:
Web definitions:
voluntary sexual intercourse between persons not married to each other.

Definition for sexual immorality:
Web definitions:
the evil ascribed to sexual acts that violate social conventions




when are you people going to learn to look at the Bible for the whole context



^and no, since they didnt mention it, it doesnt mean you should stop loving your neighbor as yourself.........again the whole context of the bible

 

[IOWLBNIF]

this disproves SDA sabbath observance.



Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”



if someone needs help picking up sticks (something not allowed on the sabbath) then, if im led, i can help them, since im showing love


plain and simple

 

[Standing Up]

this disproves SDA sabbath observance.



Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”



if someone needs help picking up sticks (something not allowed on the sabbath) then, if im led, i can help them, since im showing love


plain and simple

They plucked grain on the sabbath. David ate the shewbread. Things unlawful for some and they tried to condemn them. Christ said otherwise. Obviously something is being said.

 

[DeaconDean]

So from this scripture all we have to worry about is to abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. So can I commit adultery or steal?

You know, I only know of one unforgivable sin in the scriptures, and adultry and stealing are not it.

"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." -Mt. 12:31 (KJV)

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[Dale]

OP Part 3:




“On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet ...”
--Revelation 1:10 NIV






“The Lord's Day” is clearly Sunday, the day of the week that our Lord Jesus Christ resurrected from the grave. John may have worshipped on every day of the week, but if so, there would be no reason to mention the day of the week unless it had some significance. Also, since John received his Revelation on a Sunday, the Holy Spirit honored the day, and honored Sunday worship, by giving the Revelation at that time.




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[Going Merry]

Leviticus 23:3
The Sabbath “‘There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a sabbath to the LORD.

 

[JuanP]

OP Part 3:

“On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet ...”
--Revelation 1:10 NIV

“The Lord's Day” is clearly Sunday, the day of the week that our Lord Jesus Christ resurrected from the grave. John may have worshipped on every day of the week, but if so, there would be no reason to mention the day of the week unless it had some significance. Also, since John received his Revelation on a Sunday, the Holy Spirit honored the day, and honored Sunday worship, by giving the Revelation at that time.

That is a circular argument based on an extremely doubtful inference.
The Lord's Day is NOT clearly Sunday. It is clearly the Sabbath which every Jew, like John, knew was Saturday.
But, as I said earlier, it is not worth arguing about, as we should live by the Holy Spirit, not by the law.

 

[IOWLBNIF]

Leviticus 23:3
The Sabbath “‘There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a sabbath to the LORD.

If you believe that, then what does this verse mean, please explain with your understanding of what the bible is saying.


But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts.



^what does that mean please.



read could also be understood as "put into practice" because dont forget, we are supposed to be doers of the word, not just hearers.

 

[Going Merry]

If you believe that, then what does this verse mean, please explain with your understanding of what the bible is saying.


But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts.



^what does that mean please.



read could also be understood as "put into practice" because dont forget, we are supposed to be doers of the word, not just hearers.

I don't keep the sabbath, neither do I keep sunday, or any other day.
In fact I don't think any day is different.
I treat them all the same! love thy neighbor as thy self thing

I just don't see proof that God changed the sabbath, it was and is saturday :/

 

[IOWLBNIF]

well God hasnt changed the sabbath...

Why do people think that, just because some people worship on sunday or any other day.

And why do people try and command people they must follow the sabbath is my point


my mistake, forgive me, it sounded like you were. Im with your stance on the matter.



if you (not you baam) only worship on saturday, as what the sabbath is meant for, then your 6 day sinners and 7 day hypocrites.

 

[Going Merry]

It's okay, sorry for not making my self clear.

 

[winslow]

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[Dale]

That is a circular argument based on an extremely doubtful inference.
The Lord's Day is NOT clearly Sunday. It is clearly the Sabbath which every Jew, like John, knew was Saturday.
But, as I said earlier, it is not worth arguing about, as we should live by the Holy Spirit, not by the law.

The phrase the "Lord's Day" does not appear anywhere in the Old Testament. Neither does it occur in any of the Gospels prior to the Resurrection.
I've checked both the KJV and NIV on this.


If the "Lord's Day" was simply a term for the Jewish Sabbath it would almost certainly appear somewhere in the Old Testament.


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[Dale]

Winslow in post #36:
"Therefore it is obvious that they gathered together at saturday eve after th sabbath and Paul continued to speak past midnight, because he intended on walking the next day, sunday morning, to catch the tide."

They may have met past sundown on what would be Saturday on our calendar, but it was Sunday on their calendar, where the day starts at sundown. They came together on Sunday, the day that Christ resurrected from the dead, and Luke clearly records this.




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[winslow]

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Dale
OP Part 3:

“On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet ...”
--Revelation 1:10 NIV

“The Lord's Day” is clearly Sunday, the day of the week that our Lord Jesus Christ resurrected from the grave. John may have worshipped on every day of the week, but if so, there would be no reason to mention the day of the week unless it had some significance. Also, since John received his Revelation on a Sunday, the Holy Spirit honored the day, and honored Sunday worship, by giving the Revelation at that time.

The phrase the "Lord's Day" does not appear anywhere in the Old Testament. Neither does it occur in any of the Gospels prior to the Resurrection.
I've checked both the KJV and NIV on this.

If the "Lord's Day" was simply a term for the Jewish Sabbath it would almost certainly appear somewhere in the Old Testament.

I found this interesting article on a google search concerning the Lord's day and the sabbath.

Church of God:The Sabbath and the Lord's Day


The Lord's Day Prefigured in the
Old Testament


The great memorial day of the gospel seems to have been clearly prefigured in the law of shadows.

1. The Feast of Harvest. "Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, 'When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the of your harvest unto the priest: and he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it" (Lev. 23:10, 11).
This took place "on the morrow after the Sabbath." This was the eighth day, or the first day of the week. The sheaf that the priest waved before the Lord was of the "first fruits of the harvest." What did it typify? Paul gives the answer: "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first fruits of them that slept" (1 Cor. 15:20). That sheaf clearly pointed to the resurrection of Christ. True to the shadow, Christ rose on the first day of the week. So the eighth day on which the wave offering was made, was a part of the shadow as much as the offering. As certain as the sheaf pointed to the resurrection of Christ, so certain did the eighth day on which it took place point to the day on which he arose—the Lord's Day. That sheaf was a sample of the entire crop, so Christ's resurrection is a sample and proof of the future resurrection of all the redeemed (see 1 Corinthians 15).
2. The Feast of Pentecost. "And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven Sabbaths shall be complete: even unto the morrow after the seventh Sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord. And ye shall offer with the bread seven lambs without blemish of the first year, and one young bullock, and two rams: they shall be for a burnt offering unto the Lord, with [148] their meat offering, and their drink offerings, even an offering made by fire, of sweet savor unto the Lord ' (Lev. 23:15, 16, 18).
This offering "made by fire" pointed to the baptism of "the Holy Ghost and fire" received on Pentecost. The Feast of Pentecost was on the "morrow after the seventh Sabbath," or fifty days from the wave offering. "Pentecost" means fifty. How wonderful this shadow! The sheaf was waved before the Lord on the first day of the week. It pointed to Christ's resurrection, which took place on the same day. Just seven weeks later came the Feast of Pentecost, an offering by fire. That fell also on the day "after the Sabbath." Just seven weeks after Christ's resurrection the Holy Spirit fire fell on one hundred and twenty, and the church of God was organized. Both took place on the first day of the week.

In the law of shadows we read: "And ye shall proclaim on the self same day, that it may be a holy convocation unto you" (Lev. 23:21). "Convocation" means assembly. "On the first day shall be an holy convocation.... On the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord: it is a solemn assembly" (vss. 35, 36). "On the eighth day ye shall have a solemn assembly" (Num. 29:35). "On the eighth day they made a solemn assembly" (2 Chron. 7:9). "On the eighth day was a solemn assembly" (Neh. 8:18). All this was a shadow. Notice that the eighth day, or first day of the week, stood out in great prominence.

The two feasts held on this day pointed to the two great triumphant events in the plan of redemption; viz., the resurrection of Christ and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. In the type, the eighth day was a day of assembly, a day when sacrifice by fire was offered to the Lord. This foreshadowed the great memorial day of the gospel—the Lord's Day.​

From the day on which Christ rose from the dead, the eighth day has been a day of assembling, a day of holy convocation for the church of God, a day when sacrifices of praise and thanksgiving by the Holy Spirit's fire have been given to God.​

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