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Is anyone else just about sick of halloween?!?!? :mad:

It's all over tv, all over everyone's houses, all over the stores, and all over work, which claims to be a religiously neutral environment!! UGH! I will be so happy when January comes and we are past this time!!!

:sigh: Thank you for listening.
 

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Blueskies said:
Is anyone else just about sick of halloween?!?!? :mad:

It's all over tv, all over everyone's houses, all over the stores, and all over work, which claims to be a religiously neutral environment!! UGH! I will be so happy when January comes and we are past this time!!!

:sigh: Thank you for listening.


I'm somewhat, but what sickens me the most is when every store goes on christmas mode before thankgiving. heck they are going to start to go into christmas mode probably the day after holloween! Honestly people, I think 20 shopping days for christmas is enough. I remember heairng last year someone got trampled in a Wal mart the first day they had their christmas sale, I swear we are degrading into something terrible. Oh Yeshua save us!!!
 
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Back in the eighties when the raiser blade scare and the injected ??? into the candy discouraged halloween, I was thinking that maybe it would die a neglectful death. Then the good christian churches stepped in and put on halloween parties with all kinds of nice names like "harvest festival". Well, if that don't beat all, here we are twenty years later, with halloween in a great comeback and growing.
 
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OH thank you for starting this thread, I was feeling the same way and afraid that I was alone!

Other places? on your computer, in your email, at changable sites, like news sites, tv program sites ( I was just at hgtv to check a show time listing and was greeted by 5 learing jacko-lanterns.) Ugg!

Around where I live the halloween stuff has been out since end of summer, chirstmas stuff since a little after that. You try to find something in the store and you can't because the nessecity was moved to make room for the holiday stuff. :sick:

Another thing I notice this time of the year, is that dead smell outside. Even though our temperatures now are as they are in springtime the smell is totally different. In the spring the smells are of newness, freshness, new life, but now it smells of death, of the flowers,the leaves on the trees, the grass, things starting to rot back into the earth.

It's funny I was just thinking to myself the other day while walking the dog, that I love the earth in the L-RD's feast-times. From Passover ( Spring) to Sukkot, (Fall) and I like to forget about everything after that till next spring. :)

And they think Christianity is being forced on them, while the whole US of A becomes the great pumpkin patch, but thats OK, because it's not Chrisitianity or one of the One G-d religions. It's corporate America but no corporate worship except to the Almighty "IN G-d we Trust" Dollar. Oy!!!!!

Oy, Oy, Oy!!!!!!

Ok, I'm done for now, until I fully wake up that is~! ;)
 
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Instead of costumes being put on , I believe we should be putting on the whole armour of G-d , especially during this time of year. What some do at this time of year invites more evil spirits on the earth than any other. We need to protect ourselves.

If it don't honor G-d than it is against him, and by honor I don't mean that you look at only the 'good' in the holiday, that is justifying wrongful behavior.
 
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belong to a coven that met monthly on the Friday closest to the new moon. In 1995 she and several of her fellow witches donned their Halloween finery and headed to (where else?) Salem, Massachusetts. The town is not the site of the witch hysteria that erupted in 1692—that distinction belongs to neighboring Danvers, which was known as Salem Village until 1752—but today's Salem capitalizes on the misconception. Halloween is an especially lively time in Salem, and Wift and her coven went there to meet up with other witches.
For you Christians searching about this, I won't even post Judaisms position on this but instead show you this:

Is any holiday that glorifies death and darkness (even in fun) a proper thing for a Christian to do since we have been called out of darkness into His marvelous light?

1 Peter 2:9: "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light."
Whether we feel that we have been really hurt by celebrating Halloween or not, is only part of the issue. How does God feel to see His people making light of demons and witchcraft? Shouldn't we be thinking about how to honor Him and show our love to Him? Where do our loyalties lie?​
What does the bible say about Halloween? http://www.bible.com/answers/ahalowen.html
 
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Is anybody aware of the true roots of halloween? Are you aware that it is yet another attempt from christianity to lay their false preceptions of G-ds ways onto another pagan holiday? In Celtic Ireland back when the druids were around they observed a day called "Samhain". It was a joyous say for them. A day when they would talk and entertain themselves as if thier long loving departed family members were right their with them. The would gather and remember the good old days of their family. Not speaking as if the dead were gone..but right there with them. Sort of a "memorial" day.

But the christians trying again to make a G-dly day out of a non G-dly day in order to convert as many as possible to the "church" made it into what we know today. They thought that since this day was the day the dead were seen as actually alive that they should dress as the dead so they would not recognize them and leave them alone. Because the dead were bad demons that wanted to hurt you and take you to hell. So lets dress up like them and fool them.

And there you have it. Another act of christian theology at it's finest....Halloween. OY VEY....
 
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Hallowe'en - Eve of All Saints - October 31st
Hallowe'en - a Christian Holiday
A Catholic Understanding

The word Hallowe'en itself is a contraction of "Hallowed evening". Hallowed is an old English word for "holy" -- as in "Hallowed be Thy Name", in the Lord's Prayer.

Why is this evening "hallowed"? Because is is the eve of the Feast of All Saints -- which used to be called All Hallows. Like Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve, and the Easter Vigil, the Church's celebration of her greatest feasts begins the evening before. (This follows the ancient Jewish practice of beginning the celebration of the Sabbath at sundown on Friday evening.)

The Communion of Saints

The Church's belief in the Communion of Saints is a key to unlocking the real mystery of Hallowe'en and to restoring its connection to the Church's celebration of All Saints and commemoration of All Souls.

The Communion of Saints is really a definition of the Church: the unity in faith in Christ of all believers, past, present and future, in heaven and on the earth. We are united as one body in Christ by holy things, especially the Eucharist, which both represents the Mystical Body of Christ and brings it about. (See the Catechism of the Catholic Church §960)

The Communion of Saints also means the communion in Christ of holy persons (saints) -- "so that what each one does or suffers in and for Christ bears fruit for all" (CCC §961).

So, as Pope Paul VI put it, "We believe in the communion of all the faithful of Christ, those who are pilgrims on earth, the dead who are being purified, and the blessed in heaven, all together forming one Church".

Furthermore, "we believe that in this communion, the merciful love of God and his saints is always [attentive] to our prayers." (CCC §962)

This is why Catholics honor the saints and "pray to the saints". (Actually, what we are doing is are asking them to pray for us -- to add their prayers to ours, just as we might ask a friend to pray for us. This is known as "intercessory prayer".)

It is because of our belief in the communion of all the faithful in Christ -- in this world or in the next -- that Catholics pray for the dead -- for all those those have died and who are being purified (in Purgatory), that they will soon be granted eternal rest in heaven with God and reunited with all the saints.

HALLOWE'EN

As Catholics -- and as parents -- our job is to make clear the real meaning of the Hallowed Evening and its link to the Communion of Saints to our families and our communities. Celebrating Hallowe'en in the "domestic Church" can help restore the link with All Saints and All Souls. Hallowe'en, like Valentine's Day, and even Christmas, is a big commercial 'holiday'. But if the original religious significance of these celebrations is restored, this could have a beneficial effect on the religious formation of youngsters.

Hallowe'en is chiefly celebrated in America, and principally as a children's festival. As with many holidays (holy days), pagan elements have been part of the tradition most of us associate with Hallowe'en. In a culture which is has lost its Christian moorings, there is a serious risk that "paganizing" of holy days will lead to further loss of belief.

Consciously anti-Christian Hallowe'en celebrations in recent years have led many Christian families to believe that participation in any Hallowe'en festivity -- even kids trick-or-treating and dressing up in costumes -- should be avoided.

But our task, as laity -- as Catholics -- is to evangelize our culture. In this case, we might say "re-evangelize", because, as we have seen, Hallowe'en is really a completely Christian festival.

There is something nostalgic and cheerful about our memories of celebrating Hallowe'en -- even if our celebration was completely disconnected from the real holy day that inspired it. The same could be said of Mardi Gras, which is now detached from the authentic observence of Lent; and even jolly Santa Claus, who bears no resemblance to the Middle-Eastern bishop, St. Nicholas, and adds nothing to the real meaning of Christmas. St. Valentine's Day and St. Patrick's Day celebrations have also become almost entirely secular and commercialized.

Do we want to abolish all these secular holiday customs? No, we don't. They are truly a part of our culture. But as Catholics, we should see in these celebrations an opportunity "inculturate" the vestiges of truth in the customs, and to integrate these customs with some fresh ways to instill the real meaning of the holiday.

Understanding our customs and traditions

Trick-or-Treating on Hallowe'en -- like Santa Claus and his "eight tiny reindeer", is fun -- and an authentic part of our own culture. The naughty and destructive tricks once associated with Hallowe'en seem mostly to have disappeared.

What about children dressing as devils and witches and ghosts?

We think dressing children to look like devils or demons is not a good idea. Is it harmful? Probably not. But at the very least it tends to reduce evil to something cute or fun, and this is certainly off-base. Talking with kids about choosing Hallowe'en costumes can give Christian parents an opportunity to make it clear that there is a real personal Devil, and he is truly evil -- something people nowadays are inclined to forget.

While we're helping small children carve the pumpkin, we might tell them the Jack-o-lantern legend -- and we can even relate it to authentic Catholic teaching about Purgatory and the need for every soul's purification from the effects of sin before entering Heaven.

Symbolism of Hallowe'en colors

Did you ever wonder why the traditional colors of Hallowe'en are black and orange?

Orange is the color the color of ripe pumpkins, falling leaves and glowing sunsets. The color represents harvest and autumn, the pleasant warmth of bonfires and blazing hearths, and the harvest moon of the year's waning days. As days are growing shorter and colder, and the creatures of the earth prepare for winter, we, too, are reminded of the "last things" of life.

Black is the traditional color of mourning. Throughout most of Christian history -- until about thirty years ago -- black was the liturgical color used for funerals, for Mass on All Souls and on Good Friday. Though priests now often wear white vestments at funeral Masses, black vestments are still proper for funerals, and for All Souls Masses. (Violet is also approved for funerals, and red for Good Friday.)

Traditionally, black signifies sins, evil (as in "black-hearted"), the occult or hidden (as in "black magic"). Many people may think this nearly universal association of darkness with evil comes only from the irrational childish fear of the dark, of the unseen. But there is more to it than that. Jesus is the Sun of Righteousness; the Light of the World. Black -- the absense of light -- is the opposite of this Light of Christ. For this Light penetrates and overcomes spiritual darkness, ignorance, sin.

In the words of the prophet Isaiah, "The people that walked in darkness have seen a great Light. And they that walked in the valley of the shadow of death, upon them hath a light shined."

At the end of the halloween party for your children, just before the guests leave, assemble everyone to say together the Prayer to Saint Michael, composed by Pope Leo XIII (1878-1903) after he had a vision of terrible evils to come in the twentieth century.

Saint Michael, Archangel, defend us in battle;
Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
And do thou, O prince of the heavenly host,
by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan
and all the other evil spirits who prowl about the world
seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.

Follow this prayer with the traditional invocation of the Sacred Heart of Jesus:

Most Sacred Heart of Jesus: Have mercy on us.
Most Sacred Heart of Jesus: Have mercy on us.
Most Sacred Heart of Jesus: Have mercy on us.
In the Name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost. Amen.

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All Saints Day - Origin as a solemn feast of the Church
All Souls Day - Prayers for the Dead
 
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Wow!!

Zayit, great advice, so much a better idea than my griping, though I must admit to feeling better for it.


Visionary, thanks for the great info. It's great to get an idea how this came to be brought into christianity as a standard! However, we were never called to inculturate pagan beliefs into our own.

I remember when I was a very small child, my church used to hold haunted houses to raise money each year. One year a new preacher came in and questioned this, began teaching on why it was wrong. The church received it, at first with reluctance, but growing with joy, and the practice of doing ANYTHING for halloween was halted.

Course, that was a few years ago (not to date myself or anything) but it seems to have become more and more a part of the church all the time.

May Yahweh keep us steadfast in his torah, grant us the wisdom of discernment, and the strenght to make a stand.
 
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we were just doing errands today and every store we went in people asked my 3 yr old about him going trickortreating! i went to the grocery and the clerk handed me a flyer about the store's halloween party- it had the typical witches and ghosts on it...my 3 yr old said "ooohhh! its a witch!" so i put it back on the pile of flyers and smiled at the clerk "thanks". im trying to be polite here!

next-we go into the dollar store and the clerk there asks my son if he is getting ready for trickortreating... so my 3 yr old says loudly "No way!! that is from the devil!!!" :clap:

so we have to go back to the grocery store (Challah bread wasnt ready the first time) and again with the flyer about halloween. i finally handed it back and said very politely, "No thank you. we dont celebrate halloween, we are Christians." i thought the bag boy was going to drop to the floor.

imagine that- G-d has my 3 yr old teach me about being bold for my beliefs! :D
 
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