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You and nixxnaxx are using the NKJV.. Check the KJV.happywiththelord said:first of all, in Lev 11; 10, it is talking about all the animals that live in the water that dont have fins and scales. NOT BIRDS. The birds start in verse 13. and in verse 18 that you mentioned, it doesnt talk about swans and pelicans, it talks about the white owl, the jackdaw, and the carrion vulture.
primarly, the birds that are unclean are predominatly the scavengers.
I understand what you are saying about the veggie meat and cheese. i totally agree.
happywiththelord said:first of all, in Lev 11; 10, it is talking about all the animals that live in the water that dont have fins and scales. NOT BIRDS. The birds start in verse 13. and in verse 18 that you mentioned, it doesnt talk about swans and pelicans, it talks about the white owl, the jackdaw, and the carrion vulture.
primarly, the birds that are unclean are predominatly the scavengers.
statrei said:You and nixxnaxx are using the NKJV.. Check the KJV.
Sorry, I haven't welcomed you to the forum yet. Welcome nixxnazz!nixxnaxx said:Hmmm, so depending on the version, the story changes? There is another forum I visit and a member is adamant that the KJV is the one blessed by God, and none other. Let me get the KJV and see.
I think you will find the Adventist position is that they are waterfowl.happywiththelord said:Satrei,
you are correct. in the kjv in verse 18 it does say the swan, the pelican and the gier eagle. but that still doesnt say anything about the 2 birds we are discussing. as far as i see it, God didn't say anything about them and i visited a Jewish website on the issue and the 2 birds (the goose and i cant remember the other off the to top of my head, sorry) are clean. they dont fit the characterization of scavenger birds.
* i remember now, the goose and the duck.
PaleHorse said:Sorry, I haven't welcomed you to the forum yet. Welcome nixxnazz!
happywiththelord said:yeah, you are right, some do drink coffee and drink caffienated beverages. they should be ashamed of themselves. they are not living up to the light they know and is giving mix signals to everyone about what adventists are and do.
Yeah, sometimes they become a bit too spirited as I'm sure you've noticed.nixxnaxx said:Thanks a lot, PaleHorse. Lots of spirited discussions here, I see. I like that. Pretty cool to have a forum for ourselves to talk and debate and learn.
I understand what you are saying about the veggie meat and cheese. i totally agree
Given the amount of cheese you can find in the average Adventist potluck it is also obvious that most do not know that the enzyme used to start the process of making cheese most likely was extracted from the stomachs of pigs.Cliff2 said:Cheese is not a good food. It is not that it is unclean but not good for us the way it is made and sold today.
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