Vatican: New Sins

[enelya_taralom]

Hmm...Well, I don't trust the Vatican for squat, but I don't trust the news either, so....The Vatican seems to be pushing an agenda other than a religious one, but I'm the first to admit that I'm not intimately familiar with the working and philosophy of the Roman Catholic church. Generally, all I see is the abuse stories (not unique to the catholic church, a baptist member in my city was recently sentenced to jail for rape of several women in his congregation), the complaints of catholics (complaints such as the antiquities of the anti-contraceptive rules, confessionals, etc.) and so on. Plus, I've never understood why confessing to a priest was necessary. Jesus died for our sins and He serves as a...for lack of a better word, middle man...between us and God, right? So why do I need the priest. I don't, repeat DO NOT, want to start a debate those are just things I don't understand as a non-catholic. But, anyway, if the vatican is deciding what is and is not a sin, then I'll take a pass, because the Big Guy upstairs gave me a big ol' book of what He wanted me to know. However, if they're just modernizing it to make it more relevant to life rather than a seemingly antiquated list of rules, good for them.

read the articles above, the Vatican isn't passing new laws on sins. One official just offered his opinion on modern issues in relation to sin in terms of discussion, not law. In this case you're wise to not trust the media

They definitley got this one wrong (but what else is new?)

 

[E.C.]

read the articles above, the Vatican isn't passing new laws on sins. One official just came out and offered his opinion on modern issues in relation to sin. In this case you're wise to not trust the media, they definitley got this one wrong :smack:

The media relies on sensationalism, not fact.

So if some disjoined, completely inaccurate opinion gets more people to watch, they'll show it over the correct and less condescending opinion.

 

[3DSabbath07]

yep, i was right, i got reported for saying my beliefs.....so does anyone know where i can go on this site to actually say my beliefs without getting reported? Anyone could talk about a future antichrist, but if i say Antichrist is already here and point it out....i get reported. So can someone point me in the right direction?

 

[dvanderdeen]

I agree that a lot of Protestant Christians seem to judge the Vatican and the R.C.C. harshly without knowing much about them. One of the things that I studied in University was a class on Papal Encyclicals and it really opened my eyes to a lot of things about the Catholic Church that I did not previously know. I still feel that there is a lot about Catholic teachings that I do not know or understand. There are some that I disagree with, but in all honesty there is not a single church I have ever attended where I agree 100% with all their doctrine. What it comes down to me is core faith issues. Do they love Jesus and accept him as their saviour? Do they do hios work in this world showing that they truly live their faith? If they do these things than I see no reason to debate doctrine with them.

 

[PixieSunbelle]

i'm protestant
i think that they are making the Word clear to people as to what specific things actually mean. applying old principles to our times
although some genetic manipulation can save many lives; i believe it is a sin not to save someone. they could cure many diseases that would otherwise kill babies and other people..... its a good thing

 

[Matt.9:22]

yep, i was right, i got reported for saying my beliefs.....so does anyone know where i can go on this site to actually say my beliefs without getting reported? Anyone could talk about a future antichrist, but if i say Antichrist is already here and point it out....i get reported. So can someone point me in the right direction?

he! I haven't been here in nearly a semester, but I remember that that was getting out of control and the mods were getting tired of all the frivolous complaints and there were all these posts about how "just because you disagree doesn't make it a reportable offense". It was around the same time that the CF was going through the name change.

Back on topic, so I don't get reported for trolling or flaming or whatever they call going off topic...I think the R.C.C. is misunderstood but some of it's because when you're an institution that old, you have a long history. We're all aware that history tends to be the ultimate earthly judg of all deeds and some things that the catholic church did in the name of God and country are now looked upon unfavorably. Because of this and recent scandel many people are unwilling to cut the R.C.C slack.

 

[3DSabbath07]

he! I haven't been here in nearly a semester, but I remember that that was getting out of control and the mods were getting tired of all the frivolous complaints and there were all these posts about how "just because you disagree doesn't make it a reportable offense". It was around the same time that the CF was going through the name change.

Back on topic, so I don't get reported for trolling or flaming or whatever they call going off topic...I think the R.C.C. is misunderstood but some of it's because when you're an institution that old, you have a long history. We're all aware that history tends to be the ultimate earthly judg of all deeds and some things that the catholic church did in the name of God and country are now looked upon unfavorably. Because of this and recent scandel many people are unwilling to cut the R.C.C slack.

What scandal exactly is recent? People have been viewing the R.C.C. this way for a very long time.....this is one of the main reasons that Martin Luther posted the 95 theses on the door of the church.

 

[E.C.]

What scandal exactly is recent? People have been viewing the R.C.C. this way for a very long time.....this is one of the main reasons that Martin Luther posted the 95 theses on the door of the church.

Martin Luther merely wished to reform the Roman Church by ridding it of some corruption in things like real estate and indulgences. He wanted to do them a favor.

It is when John Calvin came around when the Protestants started to get radical and from then almost every new Protestant group is more radical than the one before it.

History supports this.


More importantly, this whole thing is a Roman Catholic issue. Why should non-Roman Catholics care?

 

[dvanderdeen]

Non-Roman Catholics should care because one of the greatest tragedies that I have seen in Christianity today is the devision of the Church. I think that we spend too much time squabbling between eachother about doctrinal differences than we do completeing the work of Christ. I grew up in the Dutch Reformed Church and the petty squabbles in that church has been something I have had issues with for years. I think that we need to learn to look past our differences and learn to work together to bring people to Christ. We need to love other Churches and other denominations and recognize the good they do for God. I believe that the Pope and the leaders of the Catholic church very much desire to do God's work and that is something we have in common, our methods may be different but that doesn't mean we can't work together at all.

 

[E.C.]

Non-Roman Catholics should care because one of the greatest tragedies that I have seen in Christianity today is the devision of the Church. I think that we spend too much time squabbling between eachother about doctrinal differences than we do completeing the work of Christ. I grew up in the Dutch Reformed Church and the petty squabbles in that church has been something I have had issues with for years. I think that we need to learn to look past our differences and learn to work together to bring people to Christ. We need to love other Churches and other denominations and recognize the good they do for God. I believe that the Pope and the leaders of the Catholic church very much desire to do God's work and that is something we have in common, our methods may be different but that doesn't mean we can't work together at all.

I like your spirit.


The part that saddens me is how many groups blame all their troubles and hardships not only on the Roman Catholic Church as an institution, but on the individual Roman Catholics themselves.

The "Why should we care?" line is directed mainly at those that say that Rome is "completely out of line", "overstepping its bounds" and "further down the road of heresy", etc. To me, when people say things like that towards the Roman Church, I often wonder why they themselves are not Roman Catholic since they seem to express such strong critique.

I do have to hand it to Pope Benedict XVI for saying something about pollution and so forth, because he's doing his job the best he can. Maybe we could learn from Rome in that regard.
I remember seeing in a movie a Protestant pastor was on a radio show advocating pollution and "raping the earth" as he put it because "we are not here long". Sure, we ourselves may not be, but our children will come after us and have to deal with whatever problems we leave for them. Just a thought.


But the part that does get me is why many non-Roman Catholics seem to blame Rome for anything and everything. There is no Christian love in doing so. In fact, there isn't even non-Christian love in doing so.

But I digress.