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Value and Necessity of Truth

Salesian

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Salesian said:
Trent Session 6, Canon 17:

CANON XVII.-If any one saith, that the grace of Justification is only attained to by those who are predestined unto life; but that all others who are called, are called indeed, but receive not grace, as being, by the divine power, predestined unto evil; let him be anathema.

Behe, I can give some quotes by St. Augustine to reinforce that, if you'd like. Also, I can quote the author of Hebrews and St. Paul in the book of Colossians, to support that.

The St. Augustine quote I was thinking of:

From "Treatise on the Gift of Perseverance" Ch. 32

  • Chapter 32 [XIII.]-The Inscrutability of God's Free Purposes.
.....They, however, who will not say that any one who has died is judged according to those things which God foreknew that he would have done if he had lived, considering with how manifest a falsehood and how great an absurdity this would be said, have no further reason to say, what the Church condemned in the Pelagians, and caused to be condemned by Pelagius himself,-that the grace of God, namely, is given according to our merits,-when they see some infants not regenerated taken from this life to eternal death, and others regenerated, to eternal life; and those themselves that are regenerated, some going hence, persevering even to the end, and others kept in this life even until they fall, who certainly would not have fallen if they had departed hence before their lapse; and again some falling, but not departing from this life until they return, who certainly would have perished if they had departed before their return.

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Also, 2 passages from the Bible that just never would fit into a 'Calvinist mold' so to speak:

Colossians 1:19-23

.... through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven. And although you were hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach - if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard...

Ok, I know you've got a couple common replies to that. Nonetheless, would you say, like the Apostle Paul does right there, that a person who is reconciled (as he told all those to whom he was writing, see verses 1 &2), that they will only be presented holy and blameless if they continue firmly in the faith???

Ok, Hebrews 10 is perhaps more pointed. I guess 28-39 is the most I can narrow it down to, and still keep good context:

Let me just note that the Lord judges "His people" and that a person who has been sanctified by the blood of the covenant, after being "enlightened" and enduring sufferings, who had a better, abiding possession, and confidence in a great reward, needs endurance, and if his soul shrinks back (to destruction), God has no pleasure in him.

Taken together, the Colossians and Hebrews passages seem to speak of people attaining justification, but who are not predestined to final perseverance.
 
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