Vaccination Side Effects?

[Busybee]

Has anyone else experienced this with their infant. Although I have two, I only got one round of vaccines with my first daughter and then the rest at 12 months, so this is new to me. Also, she was a very poor sleeper from the beginning. Then shortly after she got caught up on her shots at 12 months she ended up sick and in the hospital with a high fever of almost 105.

My 5 month old had been sleeping 7-8 straight hours before this second round of vaccinations at 4 months. A month later and she still has tiny little knots in her legs where they gave her the shots. Anyways, she got sick very shortly after getting them like she did the first time.

Her sleep schedule is pretty much destroyed. Waking at least 2 or 3 times.

So I'm wondering if anyone else has had negative experiences with vaccines. I truly do believe those are the cause of this. I also would've waited to get hers done the same way as my first, but with WIC you have to keep shots current.

 

[LynnMcG]

Some vaccinations can affect your little for a little longer. Sadly, I cannot remember which (MMR?). But I know they can still get a fever a month later. Go to www.webmd.com and see what you can find. I'm sure you'll get what you need there. OR, call the pediatrian's office and ask to speak to a nurse. They're usually pretty helpful. I hope your daughter's feeling better soon.

 

[alaskamolly]

We no longer vaccinate.


I hate it, personally...I feel like I'm playing Russian Roullette--no matter which option I choose, there are life-and-death risks.

But we know too many people who's children have been permanently damaged or killed via vaccines. And the way that the US tabulates it's recorded "vaccinate reactions" is sickening (in other words, if your child becomes deathly ill immedietely following vaccinations, they must die within 24 hours of the shot in order for it to count as a reaction. If they die 4 days later, it doesn't count as a vaccine related death and will not be recorded as such).

I could go on, but can't for lack of time. Let me just say that I fully realize the implications of either side (I have relatives who work closely with the CDC, so I have read their huge manuals supporting vaccinations).

It's not a decision we chose to take lightly, but in leiu of many things (including the absence of any long term studies documenting the effect of vaccines and immune system responses to them and the alarmingly increasing rate of allergies, asthma cases, and diseases and disorders now hitting adults where the immune system litererally turns on itself), we've chosen to opt out until the CDC can prove that vaccinations do not cause any long term damage to the immune system.

The fact that no such study has ever been done (or, at least ever been published!) is rather frightening to me, especially when we live in a society that likes to run studies on any and everything. It only makes me all the more suspicious (vaccines are big business!).


Warm Regards,
Molly

 

[Manna]

Poor baby....poor Mama! Have you talked to the Dr about it? I don't really know much about it, since I haven't had my daughter vaccinated...I didn't know that wic MADE you keep them updated...what a cheap trick! Ugh.

I don't know, I'd probably call the Dr and at least ask what they think.

I'll be praying! =)

 

[alaskamolly]

Well, technically WIC can't "make" you do anything. You have the legal right to choose. However some can be more of a pain than others (we even had a doctor once threaten to report us to social services if we didn't vaccinate right then and there!!!...Needless to say, we switched Doc's!)...

But part of WIC's existance is to ensure that vaccinations happen. So that's a major part of their push...You just need to make sure you are just as firm as they are on their stance, which sometimes can be hard to do in the face of pressure-tactics such as, "If you don't do this your baby will die!"

Urgh...


That was another thing that made me really start questioning vaccinations...we had a measles outbreak in our neck of the woods about 6-7 years ago, and most of the people who GOT measles had been VACCINATED for them! Of course they blamed those who weren't vaccinated for the outbreak (without any proof, of course)...but then one must simply ask, why didn't the previous measles vaccinations keep everybody else safe from contracting measles??? Hmmmm...

 

[LynnMcG]

We no longer vaccinate.


Warm Regards,
Molly

Molly,
How do you do that? Do you homeschool? Kids can't attend school in the U.S. without vaccinations.

BTW - not by any means criticizing, just curious.

 

[alaskamolly]

Well, they actually can attend schools in the US, if they have a religious or medical exemption...Which is a whole process, in and of itself, but worth doing if you feel strongly about it. Personally, I feel that God has told us our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, and to treat that lightly would be compromising my religous beliefs...to inject my children with something that reads: "long term negative health effects: unknown" woudn't be taking care of my children's bodies, in my opinion..so I think I could qualify for a religous exemption without feeling like I was compromising my integrity.


We do, however, home educate, so I don't really have to worry much about the requirements for public school acceptance (or daycares, either). Our "school" merely requires a child to have our last name for enrollment (*grin*)...so, to date, we have four students, soon to be five. Unless, of course, you count Dad and Mom...which, since learning never stops (or at least, it doesn't have to), I suppose you ought to.

Ok, dinner is ready for me to get back to it, so this mini-break is now over.
Blessings--
Molly


And, by the way, I have respect for all parents who DO choose to vaccinate. It is a very hard decision, and there are good arguments on BOTH sides. I'm just sharing why I lean towards the "no" side, however I completely understand how someone could lean otherwise.

 

[LegacyOfLove]

Wow, I wasn't aware that "not vaccinating" was an option. From what I understood, at least here in my state, if you don't vaccinate your child, not only will they not be allowed to attend school; but DCFS can also take your child from you for medical negligence. Guess I learn something new everyday. I agree, there do seem to be some potentially dangerous side-effects from vaccinations. I guess in that regard we were fortunate to not have had any troubles with vaccinations when my children got them. And too, with all of the other research studies being conducted, why haven't they done more to prove what REAL risks there are from them...and modify them where necessary?

 

[alaskamolly]

The more you look into it, the nuttier it gets...


Vaccines are big business, and as of right now, pretty much unchecked. The companies that make vaccines are "released" from accountability by the US government--meaning, you CAN'T sue them. They are not liable for their mistakes. They collect their cash no matter what, in return for supplying the country with vaccines (that the country then practically forces everyone to take--if not legally, then psychologically!). In other words, it's about the best business around, one most other business owners would envy!

I'm not a big "conspiracy theorist" or anything, but a lot of this smells awful fishy to me... And, since there's a LOT of money to be made in the vaccine business, and very little in the way of checks and balances to hold any of the producers and enforcers accountable, it seems to be worth it the "money-collecters" (vaccine companies and goverment programs) to make sure things stay that way.

And, so for whatever reasons we can guess, we still have no clinical documented study of the long term effects of vaccinations on the health of those vaccinated. Whether some studies have been done and the results were not too positive and therefore the study was destroyed, or whether researchers are paid off NOT to perform such a study, or whether it's simply a case of researchers assuming vaccines couldn't harm the immune system so figuring what's the point of running a study, I don't know.

I certainly hope we see some studies one of these days, but in the meantime, I'm not exactly holding my breath... And in the meantime, we take preventative measures to guard our children's health--very healthy diet (no sugar in the house, whole wheat, brown rice, blah blah blah), good quality nutritional supplements, lots of thick natural medicine books for mom to refer too (ha!), etc...and are thankful for the health God has blessed them with.


Warm Regards,
Molly

 

[Tini]

Alaskamolly


Thanks - you have put some great thoughts down.

We have also chosen not to vacinate. Although we went through the first few vaccinnations with our oldest son. Our youngest only had the first set.

As a parent you really do feel between a rock and a hard place. Unfortunately much of the research material that one can get is also very emotional and the "facts" seem diluted in both arguments.

I just pray that the Lord will protect them.

No - I dont see myself as a religious nutter who wants to protect my kids from the evil conspiracy - but there is a lot of evidence that does lean towards ill effects following vaccination.

We had a friend who almost lost their 18 m.o. daughter following routine state funded vaccination. She has recovered now - but a long road was walked!

Thank you and God Bless

 

[LynnMcG]

Well, they actually can attend schools in the US, if they have a religious or medical exemption...Which is a whole process, in and of itself, but worth doing if you feel strongly about it. Personally, I feel that God has told us our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, and to treat that lightly would be compromising my religous beliefs...to inject my children with something that reads: "long term negative health effects: unknown" woudn't be taking care of my children's bodies, in my opinion..so I think I could qualify for a religous exemption without feeling like I was compromising my integrity.


We do, however, home educate, so I don't really have to worry much about the requirements for public school acceptance (or daycares, either). Our "school" merely requires a child to have our last name for enrollment (*grin*)...so, to date, we have four students, soon to be five. Unless, of course, you count Dad and Mom...which, since learning never stops (or at least, it doesn't have to), I suppose you ought to.

Ok, dinner is ready for me to get back to it, so this mini-break is now over.
Blessings--
Molly


And, by the way, I have respect for all parents who DO choose to vaccinate. It is a very hard decision, and there are good arguments on BOTH sides. I'm just sharing why I lean towards the "no" side, however I completely understand how someone could lean otherwise.

Wow, thank you. I feel kind of silly. I researched the immunizations but not their legal requirements. I assumed it was required! Well, we've been blessed regardless. My daughter only had mild reactions and my son was only 1 lb. 11 oz. when he was born so he had more immunizations than she did (for RSV, flu). Both are healthy now.

 

[alaskamolly]

As a parent you really do feel between a rock and a hard place. Unfortunately much of the research material that one can get is also very emotional and the "facts" seem diluted in both arguments.

I found that very annoying too. Both sides pitch a lot of emotional arguments, and their facts are so mixed up in the hype that it's very hard to seperate fact from fiction.

One little fact that my husband got a kick out of--our former Doc was trying to pressure us to get the chicken pox vaccine (do you know that was initially grown/cultured out of fetal tissue, ie, aborted babies, and that is a fact!) and telling us how many people die each year from it, etc, (you know, using all the scare tactics)...

Well, my husband had just been scanning through this book full of useless trivia...and so shared with our Doc that according to last year's records, more people die each year from Coke machines falling on their heads than die from chicken pox!

Kinda puts it all in perspective...

 

[jenptcfan]

When I was given the MMR vaccine as a baby, I stopped breathing that night--had to be taken to the hospital but started breathing again on the way.

I do think there are some serious side effects and sometimes I wonder why they lump so many different vaccinations in the same shot....I mean I'm sure it's more convenient. But how good for you can being vaccinated for a dozen things at the same time be?

Just my non-parental ramblings.

 

[sara elizabeth]

We don't vaccinate our children either. I had a midwife who gave me lots of info on the subject.
It really grossed me out to know what is in some of those shots!
Another thing I have heard, is that the amount of mercury in the vaccinations can excede the level of safety by a long way. The reason given is that the testing is done on each vaccination individually, not on all of them combined. So, when a child gets two or three combination shots the levels of murcury can be sky high. I don't have any documentation on this though.

 

[Busybee]

Well, technically WIC can't "make" you do anything

No Wic can't "make" you do anything, however here they can refuse to give it to you.

Manna thanks for the prayers !! Alaskamolly thanks for the info. Jen thanks for listing the side effects you had as an infant as well. That's truly what I'm looking for...personal experiences regarding side effects to vaccines and prayers are always wonderful .

I definitely want to keep this on topic (side effects experienced) as this is one of those topics that if it goes off track I fear will lead to debates

 

[Mayzoo]

My sweetie had a 102 temp that started about 12hrs post MMR shot. It lasted for 24 hrs. What concerned me the most was the onset of the fever was in the middle of the night, as the shot was administered during that day. Had I not gotten up to check her, she could have been severely ill.

I work in pharmacy, and have heard of 3 cases of antibiotic resistant ear infections after the Prevnar shot. It is a "live" vaccine. Ear infection onset of 3-7 days post immunization, with the infection (on average) lasting 30 days, and requiring 3 different courses of antibiotics to resolve.

I opted out of my daughter receiving the Prevnar shot as she does not attend daycare, and has never been ill in her happy 33 month life.

 

[jenptcfan]

There was a study in the past year or so about vaccines possibly causing autism, but it was just a preliminary study and I don't even know which vaccine it was referring to. I will try to look up information on it.

looked it up--
If you do a search on vaccinations and autism online, a wealth of information comes up.

The CDC says there is no link between the two. However some vaccinations do contain a preservative that contains mercury--which we all know is toxic. Haven't we all been told that if we break a mercury thermometer we shouldn't even touch the mercury when cleaning it up? But they couldn't find anything better than a mercury product to preserve INJECTABLE vaccines? Huh?

Anyway, here's just one of many many links about the subject:

http://www.mercurypoisoningnews.com/vacautism.html

 

[Mayzoo]

One side note, always dress your children in pants on the days of vaccination. A child almost chocked to death in the car on the way home. He pulled his bandaid off and put it in his mouth. Mom was driving. She had to discern the severity, pull over, get the child out of his car seat and then remove the bandaid from his mouth. He was in distress by the time she got the bandaid dislodged.

Long pants, or remove the bandaid after 5 minutes and before putting the child in their carseats.

Sorry to sidebar this conversation, but it seemed appropriate as it should not incite debate.

 

[alaskamolly]

As far as debate goes, I know the majority of parents probably DO vaccinate, and it doesn't make me want to debate them. It really is a difficult decision, and I can totally understand a parent deciding to vaccinate. Not only is it hard to know who to believe (who's got the most accurate facts???), but especially more so as it's an issue where there are risks no matter what decision you make!

Not one of the more enjoyable parenting moments...

 

[Tini]

Well, my husband had just been scanning through this book full of useless trivia...and so shared with our Doc that according to last year's records, more people die each year from Coke machines falling on their heads than die from chicken pox!

Kinda puts it all in perspective...

ROTFL