V for Vendetta

[tulc]

I liked the action and the storytelling. The final shootout was particularly slick.

Yep, one the great showdowns in movie history

However, the propoganda literally turned my stomach. The persecuted groups could have been anyone, but for the sake of politics, homosexuals and Muslims were chosen. And for the sake of politics, Christianity was the targeted religion for character assassination. I'm not saying we are perfect, I am saying the movie profiled us.

...I'm at a loss to think of any other groups in the west that they could have used? Don't forget it wasn't just the two you mentioned it was also blacks, immigrants and leftsts. And who other then Christians could be in power in England?

And of course, (and I have to hand it to them for telling it like this) if one party tortures a girl, they are monsters. But if another does the same thing, that's OK. That was well done, in that they effectively portray unavoidable hypocrisy as justified.

Again even V admited he was a monster, doing monsterous things, if you step back and look at it there really weren't any "hero's" in this movie.
tulc(just my opinion, that and $4.95 will get you a cup of coffee!)

 

[Sketcher]

...I'm at a loss to think of any other groups in the west that they could have used? Don't forget it wasn't just the two you mentioned it was also blacks, immigrants and leftsts. And who other then Christians could be in power in England?

I don't know the political scene in England very well, but I would think secularists. Also, even if they still went with Christians, they could have had other Christians in the movie such as a Bonhoffer-type character.

Again even V admited he was a monster, doing monsterous things, if you step back and look at it there really weren't any "hero's" in this movie.
tulc(just my opinion, that and $4.95 will get you a cup of coffee!)

Right, but the movie didn't tell it like that. Objectively, it was a sicko vs. another sicko, but one sicko was still the protagonist.

 

[MercuryAndy]

i keep thinking its v for vengance. which is actualy sad =(

 

[Sketcher]

vengeance, vendetta. same thing.

 

[tulc]

vengeance, vendetta. same thing

Oddly enough there is a subtle difference between them:
ven·geance
n.
Infliction of punishment in return for a wrong committed; retribution

ven·det·ta
n.

1. A feud between two families or clans that arises out of a slaying and is perpetuated by retaliatory acts of revenge; a blood feud.
2. A bitter, destructive feud.

in other words with vengence V would have stopped with killing all the people responsible for the experiments done on him, with the vendetta he took on the whole system. (well that's how I see it anyway, and since it's my opinion the usual provisos apply)
tulc(thinks Vendetta sounds cooler also!)

 

[Sketcher]

Oddly enough there is a subtle difference between them:
ven·geance
n.
Infliction of punishment in return for a wrong committed; retribution

ven·det·ta
n.

1. A feud between two families or clans that arises out of a slaying and is perpetuated by retaliatory acts of revenge; a blood feud.
2. A bitter, destructive feud.

in other words with vengence V would have stopped with killing all the people responsible for the experiments done on him, with the vendetta he took on the whole system. (well that's how I see it anyway, and since it's my opinion the usual provisos apply)
tulc(thinks Vendetta sounds cooler also!)

Yes, bitter and destructive. You can't have that without vengeance.

Also, I think "Vendetta" fits Guy Fawkes mask and V's persona a bit better. He's too fancy for straight-up, sloppy revenge. When I think of vengeance, I think Clint Eastwood, The Punisher, or Wolverine. This guy's too artistic to be that kind of anti-hero.

 

[kopilo]

tulc[/FONT]]And for the sake of politics, Christianity was the targeted religion for character assassination. I'm not saying we are perfect, I am saying the movie profiled us.

Actually I saw it as a psudeo-neo nazi-big brother type of government. The only possible relationship was with the governments symbol, with the double cross bar, which kind of represents the anti-christ IMO.

On a side note, I would have to say what made the revolution interesting in this movie, was the lack of innocent blood shead. Not saying there wasn't any, but considering other revolutions in our past, they seemed to have a lot more civil death.

 

[Fineous_Reese]

On a side note, I would have to say what made the revolution interesting in this movie, was the lack of innocent blood shead. Not saying there wasn't any, but considering other revolutions in our past, they seemed to have a lot more civil death.

V didn't blow up the buildings housing the Ear and Nose in the movie? (meh, still haven't gotten out to see it ) they were chock full of 'innocent' folks

 

[kopilo]

V didn't blow up the buildings housing the Ear and Nose in the movie? (meh, still haven't gotten out to see it ) they were chock full of 'innocent' folks

hmm I can't really reply w/o giving away the ending.. Let's just say most of your presumption is incorrect.

 

[k]

The trailers made it seem very much like the "Resident Evil" thing....or is the only correlation that an attractive female heroine has the lead?

 

[trunks2k]

The trailers made it seem very much like the "Resident Evil" thing....or is the only correlation that an attractive female heroine has the lead?

I never saw Resident Evil, but I doubt they are the same. More semi-spoliers below:
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The Evee character doesn't even DO much. She is mostly taken along for the ride. I'm sure in the Resident Evil movie, the female lead was the one doing everything (fighting, etc).

 

[tulc]

The trailers made it seem very much like the "Resident Evil" thing....or is the only correlation that an attractive female heroine has the lead?

I never saw Resident Evil, but I doubt they are the same.

I've seen both and can say without giving anything away: They don't have anything in common except there are men and women in both of them.
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there are no leather minskirts in V for Vendetta.
tulc(who didn't want to give that plot point away, but there it is)

 

[Goatboy]

there are no leather minskirts in V for Vendetta.

You mean Alan Moore wrote all those great neo fascist show tunes and they didn't use them.

Please tulc, say it aint so.


"I like the hair,
I like the at-ti-tude...

 

[tulc]

You mean Alan Moore wrote all those great neo fascist show tunes and they didn't use them.

Please tulc, say it aint so.

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Not. Even. One.
in fact they dropped most all of the subplots from the comics, and most of the sub characters.
tulc(great, now I'm going to be humming that song for the rest of day!)

 

[MckDawg04]

I thought this was a very good movie. It had a good storyline to it and it had enough action at the end to make up for the slower middle.

I noticed the subtle undertones of "big government is bad" blah blah blah. Other than that it was great.

Cya!

 

[Ryal Kane]

Just saw it this afternoon. I was quite impressed.

Obviously the comic went into a lot more depth and detail but I think the film captured much of the sentiment.

I was quite impressed that the society, while controlled, was also relatively normal. Something often overlooked in fiction, especially films is that systems can be very controlling and restrictive without people being zombies.
they just have to be scared I suppose.

Which reminds me of this oft recently repeated quote.

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials