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Hello,

Just curious to hear from US citizens about the implications and impact of the government ‘shutdown’. What affect will this have on daily life for people in the US if it drags on? What is the impact on people employed in civil roles by the govt and on the military?

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I doubt it will last long. Meanwhile, for most of us it makes little difference unless you're waiting on getting a passport or something else the gov't is responsible for. The military still goes on, and I believe even the civil servants report to work with their pay being deferred until the gov't starts up again.
 
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Hello,

Just curious to hear from US citizens about the implications and impact of the government ‘shutdown’. What affect will this have on daily life for people in the US if it drags on? What is the impact on people employed in civil roles by the govt and on the military?

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Before the government shutdown happened it generated some interest out of me, an American citizen. I read about what a government shutdown is.

Haha yeah I read a couple of articles, I posted here to get some more personal takes on it from people living in the US, just to fill out my understanding of how it might affect people’s lives. Thanks for responding.
 
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Haha yeah I read a couple of articles, I posted here to get some more personal takes on it from people living in the US, just to fill out my understanding of how it might affect people’s lives. Thanks for responding.

You are welcome Tom.
 
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Hello,

Just curious to hear from US citizens about the implications and impact of the government ‘shutdown’. What affect will this have on daily life for people in the US if it drags on? What is the impact on people employed in civil roles by the govt and on the military?

Thanks
I read it won't affect too much. I think it says a lot about Democrats and where their priorities are. Everyone knows they're trying to import as many immigrants as they can who come from socialist countries and who always vote Democrat. That's how they flipped California blue. But immigration is severely harming Americans - keeping wages flat for many years because of the influx of cheap labor, and crime. It's insane. Americans are being robbed, raped, burned, sodomized, run over, and killed and some of the Democrat leaders don't care - they have an insane lust for power.

The other problem is that I believe only half of the country is working now, and supporting the other half. Immigrants use government assistance at very high rates. It's unsustainable - we can't be the world's ATM. The national health of Americans is poor - with many dying from financial strain. It would be national suicide to bring in millions more immigrants that we'll have to support.

I think if they can remake a city in Mexico, help them install new government, build a hospital, and help them grow their own economy is a way to show care for the worlds poor rather than destroying Americans in the process. It would be a truly more humane act all the way around. It would help more people overall.
 
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I doubt it will last long. Meanwhile, for most of us it makes little difference unless you're waiting on getting a passport or something else the gov't is responsible for. The military still goes on, and I believe even the civil servants report to work with their pay being deferred until the gov't starts up again.

That's a lot of people without pay while it's shutdown. Sure, the military and federal workers are most likely to get back pay, but there are mouths to feed and mortgages to pay in the meantime.

Politicians don't seem to mind using other people's paycheck as a bargaining chip.
 
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I doubt it will last long. Meanwhile, for most of us it makes little difference unless you're waiting on getting a passport or something else the gov't is responsible for. The military still goes on, and I believe even the civil servants report to work with their pay being deferred until the gov't starts up again.

Yes, the military will still go on, but after Feb 1st us military members will no longer receive paychecks until the shutdown is done.

We still have loans to pay, food to buy, bills to pay, gas to fill up the car,mortgages or rents that need to be paid to keep the roof over our families heads, and still have to work and protect this country. We just wont be getting paid while we work.

If there is no emergency bill passed like in 2013 the last time the government shutdown, alot of military members and their families (myself included I fear) will be in financial ruin.

The back-pay would hardly fix the damage that was done.
 
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Yes, the military will still go on, but after Feb 1st us military members will no longer receive paychecks until the shutdown is done.

We still have loans to pay, food to buy, bills to pay, gas to fill up the car,mortgages or rents that need to be paid to keep the roof over our families heads, and still have to work and protect this country. We just wont be getting paid while we work.

If there is no emergency bill passed like in 2013 the last time the government shutdown, alot of military members and their families (myself included I fear) will be in financial ruin.

The back-pay would hardly fix the damage that was done.

That’s pretty intense. So the relevant payroll dept or some other part of the chain just downs tools, effectively? They’re just instructed not to process payments until congress works things out?
 
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Hello,

Just curious to hear from US citizens about the implications and impact of the government ‘shutdown’. What affect will this have on daily life for people in the US if it drags on? What is the impact on people employed in civil roles by the govt and on the military?

Thanks
I mentioned in another thread that "government shutdowns" are almost becoming cliche anymore - both sides discovering a new way to pander to public fears by staging what amounts to nothing more than a puerile public tantrum, grown men and women stomping up and down yelling and screaming to get their way.

The real impact here is our supposed "leadership" demonstrating to their constituents and the world their utter inability to do their jobs for the ironic sake of keeping their careers as politicians.

This is what happens when any nation allows politics to become a career - and therein lie the real danger.
 
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Before the government shutdown happened it generated some interest out of me, an American citizen. I read about what a government shutdown is.
What it is is pure politics.

Instead of calling it a "government shutdown" we should be referring to it as a "congressional tantrum."

Congress - who "runs" the government, has decided it doesn't want to fund the very thing they run.

But it's not about funding the government either. It's about some pet bills one side wants approved and won't vote in favor of government funding until they get their way on their pet bills.

It's called "play-ground politics." The government will end up getting funded once one side picks up their toys and goes home.
 
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I read it won't affect too much. I think it says a lot about Democrats and where their priorities are. Everyone knows they're trying to import as many immigrants as they can who come from socialist countries and who always vote Democrat.

Democrats are fighting on behalf of DACA recipients: people brought to the United States as children, who have never known any other home, who are culturally American, who speak English, who have no criminal records, and who have no foreign home to which to return. The vast majority of Americans — including most Republicans — want these young people to be able to stay in the United States.

That's how they flipped California blue.

American citizens who live in California turned California blue because they stopped voting for Republicans. Prior to the early 1990s, California was a swing-to-Republican-leaning state. The state's politics didn't change because new people moved to California, but instead because Latino Americans living in California started voting for Democrats instead of Republicans. Surely you're not implying that these Latino American citizens' votes are illegitimate?

The other problem is that I believe only half of the country is working now, and supporting the other half.

The workforce participation rate in the United States is 63% amongst adults below retirement age. That is 4% lower than its peak of 67% in the late 1990s, and 5% higher than the participation rate in the 1960s. In other words: the share of American adults participating in the job market is in line with the last 50 years. As an overall share of the population, that is less than it used to be, because the child population is larger than it was a couple of decades ago, and the population above retirement is larger than it has ever been. Would you prefer that retirees and children were working?

Immigrants use government assistance at very high rates.

Immigrants use government assistance less than native-born Americans. More than 90% of people with DACA protections have a job, are paying taxes, etc. Immigrants from Africa and Asia are more likely to have college degrees and graduate degrees than native-born Americans.

I think if they can remake a city in Mexico, help them install new government, build a hospital, and help them grow their own economy is a way to show care for the worlds poor rather than destroying Americans in the process. It would be a truly more humane act all the way around. It would help more people overall.

Most immigrants to the United States are not from Mexico. Also, how would the United States "install a new government" in Mexico? Immigrants make America stronger, not weaker. We need an expansive and welcoming immigration system, one that includes a guest worker system and changes to border security to prevent renewed flows of illegal immigration.
 
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Democrats are fighting on behalf of DACA recipients: people brought to the United States as children, who have never known any other home, who are culturally American, who speak English, who have no criminal records, and who have no foreign home to which to return. The vast majority of Americans — including most Republicans — want these young people to be able to stay in the United States.

Yes, I agree. I still don't understand why they placed this non-budget item into the budget though.

Their deadline is in March, and Trump already said it would be extended if needed.

This could have waited, because you don't write legislation for this within days. Washington has a reputation when they do things that fast it does NOT go as well as they intended. It ends up a mess in other words.

They need to do this DACA circumstance right because these young adults deserve it. They had already started the talks about this issue, but now they want to ram it though. I don't trust Washington to do this right, and these politicians always claim they are fighting on behalf of something. When it doesn't fix it, or makes it worse? Their denial stage starts for years on end. Democrats and GOP both do this, and have done this for years.

lol I mean how many years for different forms of 'reform' have we heard about - that they were fighting for - that still has no movement whatsoever. These morons in Washington couldn't fight themselves out of a paper bag I'm afraid.
 
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Hello,

Just curious to hear from US citizens about the implications and impact of the government ‘shutdown’. What affect will this have on daily life for people in the US if it drags on? What is the impact on people employed in civil roles by the govt and on the military?

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Americans are scratching their heads over the Shumer Shutdown.
 
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Everyone knows they're trying to import as many immigrants as they can who come from socialist countries and who always vote Democrat. That's how they flipped California blue.
That may be the case today. However, the reason CA flipped blue was due to the military base closures starting in the early 90s. CA lost a huge chunk of its share of the military industrial complex.
 
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That may be the case today. However, the reason CA flipped blue was due to the military base closures starting in the early 90s. CA lost a huge chunk of its share of the military industrial complex.
I've read a lot of political newspapers claiming California flipped blue from the immigrants who basically filled the state who almost always vote blue. It's well-known that's what Schumer is aiming for, which I find frightening. I hope everyone gets involved and complains to legislators about this shutdown. If they succeed there will never be another conservative elected again. Tom Cotton is about the best man in there now.
 
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Active-duty members of the military must continue their duties, but won't be paid till after the shutdown is resolved. This huge screwup of Trump's disrupts the lives of the folks in the military & their families.

Almost all NASA employees will be furloughed. I've got buddies working there who are impacted.
 
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They don't just shut off the lights and send everyone home. Some 850,000 Federal workers will be furloughed without pay Monday, the military and law enforcement is effected but they don't get shut down. There is a CR bill scheduled for tomorrow, the Senate is now deliberating in meetings and apparently getting the Democrats involved. The have been working on this all weekend, they will or should get this done.

That said, it wouldn't hurt to say a prayer.

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