US citizen detained in Alabama by immigration officials who dismissed his REAL ID as fake

[RDKirk]

And workers on these jobs are perfectly fine with working with illegals.

How do you know that?

My anecdotal observation is: That's not true because "skinfolk ain't kinfolk."

In my vicinity, a lot of the ethnic Mexican citizens are highly annoyed by the current influx of illegal South Americans, and a lot of them opposed even illegal Mexicans. I've seen more than one point out, "He's not even legal!" That's why a significant percentage of Latinos were willing to vote for Trump.

Moreover, hiring illegals always makes employment more precarious and less lucrative for citizens.

A blanket statement of "...workers on these jobs are perfectly fine with working with illegals" is probably wrong.

 

[BCP1928]

How do you know that?

My anecdotal observation is: That's not true because "skinfolk ain't kinfolk."

In my vicinity, a lot of the ethnic Mexican citizens are highly annoyed by the current influx of illegal South Americans, and a lot of them opposed even illegal Mexicans. I've seen more than one point out, "He's not even legal!" That's why a significant percentage of Latinos were willing to vote for Trump.

Moreover, hiring illegals always makes employment more precarious and less lucrative for citizens.

A blanket statement of "...workers on these jobs are perfectly fine with working with illegals" is probably wrong.

Nor do we have any duty as individuals to investigate the immigration status of our fellow workers or inquire into their citizenship.

 

[JustaPewFiller]

A decade ago, I was working for a Fortune 50 company that had contracted scores of illegals for janitorial services. I'm sure the company would claim "We didn't know" if called to account, but I certainly knew they were illegal, and I can't believe I was the smartest guy in the company.

You touch on something that I think ties into this.

Many of the jobs the illegals hold are manual labor type jobs. On the job you were at, would you say there were more illegals than legals?

What I'm really trying to get to is this - Lets just say they go after the companies or succeed in rounding up and deporting all the illegals. Will US citizens do the jobs for the current pay rate offered to illegals?

 

[BCP1928]

You touch on something that I think ties into this.

Many of the jobs the illegals hold are manual labor type jobs. On the job you were at, would you say there were more illegals than legals?

What I'm really trying to get to is this - Lets just say they go after the companies or succeed in rounding up and deporting all the illegals. Will US citizens do the jobs for the current pay rate offered to illegals?

Probably not, and the asylum seekers and refugees to whom we have offered protection don't have to, which is why conservatives are in such a swiivet to declare that they are the illegal ones who have to be got rid of and any objections to how it is being done are because it is really the Left who want to exploit illegal labor. QED, right?

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

BTW, folks, a Real ID does not indicate citizenship.

There are five states that used "Enhanced ID" that does indicate citizenship, but the rest of us need to carry US passports (book or card) if we want to carry evidence of citizenship.

This.

Any collateral damage from the Biden policy of allowing millions to flood into the country unvetted is now showing up in cases where mistakes are made, as here. Perhaps the Biden handlers shouldn't have allowed this stupid policy for almost 4 years, until it became an election issues.

 

[RDKirk]

You touch on something that I think ties into this.

Many of the jobs the illegals hold are manual labor type jobs. On the job you were at, would you say there were more illegals than legals?

What I'm really trying to get to is this - Lets just say they go after the companies or succeed in rounding up and deporting all the illegals. Will US citizens do the jobs for the current pay rate offered to illegals?

I don't see what you're really trying to get to.

I've said in these forums before that the primary draw of illegals into the US is that US employers will hire them, and that US employers hire them because illegal labor is a profit windfall. It's not just the pay, it's also the taxes and other expenses that employers must pay on legal workers. The employers can hand both legal and illegal workers the same amount of money and still save 50% on the illegal worker.

Knowing this is one of the reasons legal workers don't particularly like illegal workers...they know those companies would rather have the illegal workers, so their own jobs are more precarious.

 

[BCP1928]

I don't see what you're really trying to get to.

I've said in these forums before that the primary draw of illegals into the US is that US employers will hire them, and that US employers hire them because illegal labor is a profit windfall. It's not just the pay, it's also the taxes and other expenses that employers must pay on legal workers. The employers can hand both legal and illegal workers the same amount of money and still save 50% on the illegal worker.

Knowing this is one of the reasons legal workers don't particularly like illegal workers...they know those companies would rather have the illegal workers, so their own jobs are more precarious.

No! No! You've got it all wrong! It's ***The Left*** who want to exploit illegal workers--like those pet-eating Haitians for instance.

 

[Belk]

This.

Any collateral damage from the Biden policy of allowing millions to flood into the country unvetted is now showing up in cases where mistakes are made, as here. Perhaps the Biden handlers shouldn't have allowed this stupid policy for almost 4 years, until it became an election issues.

The buck stops anywhere but here!

 

[BNR32FAN]

Maybe we need REALLYREAL ID?

Authorities wrestled a US-born citizen to the ground, cuffed him and dismissed his so-called Real ID as “fake” during an arrest operation targeting undocumented people on Wednesday under the direction of the Trump administration, according to a viral video and reporting by Telemundo.

Leonardo Garcia Venegas, 25, was at his construction job in Foley, Alabama, when officials arrived to arrest workers there. Garcia Venegas – who was born in Florida to Mexican parents – began filming the arrests with his mobile phone before officials reportedly knocked the device out of his hand and tried to arrest him as well.

Video of the arrest shows three officials wrestling him to the ground, while he yells: “I’m a citizen!”

According to an interview with the Spanish-language US news outlet Telemundo, officials took out his wallet, removed his ID – which complies with higher federal security standards for state-issued driver’s licenses as well as identification – and told him that it was fake.

Officials removed the cuffs from Garcia Venegas hours later – after he gave them his social security number, verifying his US citizenship.

His cousin, also a US citizen, told Telemundo they both went through the process of acquiring the Real ID, undergoing “the protocols the administration is asking for”.

“I feel sad because, even though we were born here, that doesn’t matter any more,” the cousin said. She added: “To have our skin color has, apparently, become a crime. And it has become a crime deserving of this type of treatment – as if we were real criminals.”

He should definitely press charges. They had no right to stop him from recording. Nor did they have any right to use physical force, that is of course if there’s no missing information here.

 

[BNR32FAN]

This.

Any collateral damage from the Biden policy of allowing millions to flood into the country unvetted is now showing up in cases where mistakes are made, as here. Perhaps the Biden handlers shouldn't have allowed this stupid policy for almost 4 years, until it became an election issues.

Still trying to blame everything on Biden? That’s ridiculous, if they guy wasn’t failing to comply then they had no right to use physical force or to tell him to stop videoing.

 

[DaisyDay]

This brings up another point. I'm not the only one who has said it. These employers hiring illegals are breaking the law. A raid was made, and illegals rounded up. What happened to those who hired them? Probably nothing.

Look, we've let this go on for so long that no one is concerned about hiring illegals. And workers on these jobs are perfectly fine with working with illegals. Now when we finally decide to Crack down then suddenly everyone who knows they are with illegals, also know there is a chance their site could be raided. And they are taking a chance by being there.

He accepted the risk. And he was picked up. But ICE did their job and after review let him go. And after a review sent the illegals packing. You know, doing their job.

Now I just wish someone would go after the employers. Come on CONGRESS, do your job and fix this. Require employers to confirm that a person here is legally allowed to work here. There already is a mechanism for this. REQUIRE businesses to use it. It would solve a lot the issues.

ICE arrests South Texas bakery owners accused of hiring undocumented workers

Federal immigration agents raided the Los Fresnos bakery and detained eight workers before filing charges against the two owners.

www.texastribune.org

 

[BNR32FAN]

I don't see what you're really trying to get to.

I've said in these forums before that the primary draw of illegals into the US is that US employers will hire them, and that US employers hire them because illegal labor is a profit windfall. It's not just the pay, it's also the taxes and other expenses that employers must pay on legal workers. The employers can hand both legal and illegal workers the same amount of money and still save 50% on the illegal worker.

Knowing this is one of the reasons legal workers don't particularly like illegal workers...they know those companies would rather have the illegal workers, so their own jobs are more precarious.

Employers can’t write off their payroll deductions on their taxes for illegal employees because they have to have a valid SSN or ITN in order to do that. So it really doesn’t save them much money and it definitely puts them at a high risk of receiving a lot of huge fines for failing to comply with several laws.

 

[RDKirk]

Employers can’t write off their payroll deductions on their taxes for illegal employees because they have to have a valid SSN or ITN in order to do that. So it really doesn’t save them much money and it definitely puts them at a high risk of receiving a lot of huge fines for failing to comply with several laws.

"Valid SSN"

LOL.

 

[essentialsaltes]

She shouldn't have been driving near a car that made an illegal turn. (or been here illegally)

Georgia teen forgives officer who wrongly arrested her leading to ICE detention​

[Ximena] Arias-Cristobal, 19, was arrested on May 5 in Dalton, Georgia, when her dark gray truck was mistaken for a black pickup that made an illegal turn. Those citations were later dropped once officials realized there was a mix-up, Dalton Assistant Police Chief Chris Crossen said.

But, she was still detained by ICE after it was discovered she was an undocumented immigrant. She was released on bond last week. [Catch and release!]

Arias-Cristobal said immigrants at the Stewart Detention Center, where she was held, are "treated like we’re the worst criminals ever" and acknowledged that others have also been treated unjustly.

"I know everything that I'm going through is something that's very unjust, and it's not only my case, but millions of people are going through this in the United States. At Stewart, I met a lot of people that are going through tougher situations than me, and I think they deserve justice because they are not criminals,” she said.

"There’s a lot of very sad cases in there, mine is just a speck of what you see and that’s the sad truth," she said.

 

[BNR32FAN]

"Valid SSN"

LOL.

The IRS does check SSN that are submitted with the employer’s tax documents That’s why they require them.

 

[RDKirk]

The IRS does check SSN that are submitted with the employer’s tax documents That’s why they require them.

They don't check to make sure it's a valid SSN for that individual.

 

[BCP1928]

Employers can’t write off their payroll deductions on their taxes for illegal employees because they have to have a valid SSN or ITN in order to do that. So it really doesn’t save them much money and it definitely puts them at a high risk of receiving a lot of huge fines for failing to comply with several laws.

They can do it because they know that nobody is looking very hard. Trump was out after people like those pet-eating Hatians, working legally in that factory in Ohio.

 

[BNR32FAN]

They don't check to make sure it's a valid SSN for that individual.

They check to make sure it’s a valid SSN that the employer is using on their W2.

 

[RDKirk]

They check to make sure it’s a valid SSN that the employer is using on their W2.

There are many people, perhaps millions, working under SSNs that were not issued to them by the Social Security Administration, but that they got from illegal sources. The government doesn't care if the money is coming in.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

What I'm really trying to get to is this - Lets just say they go after the companies or succeed in rounding up and deporting all the illegals. Will US citizens do the jobs for the current pay rate offered to illegals?

Probably not, and that's a good thing. Companies should be paying living wages, not exploiting foreign workers for extra profit.