unpardonable sin ?

[EPHESIANS6:10-11]

Am not a new christian i was born Catholic but because of trauma i cant remember
some of my lesions at school about Jesus so i hope its ok for me to ask questions

when Jesus died on the cross he died for our sins was that all sins or is there an unpardonable sin ?

 

[paul1149]

I don't think it's wise to dwell on intellectual pursuits like that. Because my guess is it's a loaded question. If someone says yes, then you go away terrified that you've committed it. If someone says no, you probably wouldn't believe him anyway.

Better to consider and dwell on the fact that the perfect man, Christ Jesus, also the very Son of God, gave His life for you. What then do you think it would take for God to turn His back on you now? Does it make any sense at all that He would easily do so? Or did He not know what He was getting into before He went to the cross - and indeed, before He created anything at all? Remember, all our sins were in the future when He determined to go ahead with His plan. He could have avoided it all so easily, but His love for us is too great for that.

He knows the end before the beginning. He created you. He did not create you for punishment, but to save you, so you could spend forever with Him.

Hebrews tells us the blood of bulls and goats could never cleanse us from sin consciousness. The intended implication is clearly that the blood of Christ surely can do just that. But we have to let it. We have to train our mind to focus on the completed work, and get it off the devil's lies, which when we believe make us our own worst enemy.

Christ saved us so we could be free. Not just legally saved, but set free in our hearts. Take Him at His word and begin to walk in that freedom. The entrance point is thankfulness and praise (Psalm 100; Philippians 4).

What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?
Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies.
Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised— who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword?
As it is written, “For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”
No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.
For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers,
nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. -Rom 8:31-39​

 

[AvgJoe]

Am not a new christian i was born Catholic but because of trauma i cant remember
some of my lesions at school about Jesus so i hope its ok for me to ask questions

when Jesus died on the cross he died for our sins was that all sins or is there an unpardonable sin ?

The only unpardonable sin today is that of continued unbelief. There is no pardon for a person who dies in unbelief. John 3:16 tells us, “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” The only condition in which someone would have no forgiveness is if he/she is not among the “whoever” that believes in Him. Jesus said, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6). To reject the only means of salvation is to condemn oneself to an eternity in hell because to reject the only pardon is, obviously, unpardonable.

Many people fear they have committed some sin that God cannot or will not forgive, and they feel there is no hope for them, no matter what they do. Satan would like nothing better than to keep us laboring under this misconception. The truth is that if a person has this fear, he/she needs only to come before God, confess that sin, repent of it, and accept God’s promise of forgiveness. “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9). This verse assures us that God is ready to forgive any sin—no matter how heinous—if we come to Him in repentance. If you are suffering under a load of guilt today, God is waiting with His arms open in love and compassion for you to come to Him. He will never disappoint or fail to pardon those who do.

 

[JackRT]

To me the "unpardonable sin" is taking upon yourself the powers of judgment and condemnation that belong to God alone.

Someone once said that if you are worried that you have committed the unpardonable then you demonstrate by your worry that you have not.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Am not a new christian i was born Catholic but because of trauma i cant remember some of my lesions at school about Jesus so i hope its ok for me to ask questions
when Jesus died on the cross he died for our sins was that all sins or is there an unpardonable sin ?

Every sin is pardonable if one seeks pardon for it.

 

[seashale76]

The unforgiveable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 12:31-32 (NKJV)

31 "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
32 "Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or the age to come.

From the commentary in The Orthodox Study Bible (p.35):
"12:32 Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is blasphemy against the divine activity of the Spirit--the accusation that Jesus healed the demoniac by demonic power (v.24) rather than by the power of the Holy Spirit (v. 28; see Mark 3:29, 30). Every sin against the Son of Man can be forgiven, because the Jews do not yet know much about Him. But blasphemy against the Spirit, whose divine activity they know from the OT, will not be forgiven. This blasphemy is willful hardness of heart. It attributes the saving action of the Spirit to Satan and refuses to accept God's forgiveness and mercy."

So, in a nutshell, if a person can be worried enough to fret about it, then they haven't committed the unforgivable sin. In other words, there is hope for such a person. Those blasphemy challenge individuals you see all over the internet are missing the point.

 

[Godislove94]

The unpardonable sin is simply rejecting Jesus as Lord, because without Him you cannot be forgiven of your sins by God. The passage that clearly explains this is in Mark 3 where Jesus did miracles in the presence of the religious leaders, yet despite this proof they still denied who He was and even called Him evil.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Here is my take on the topic http://www.futureandahope.net/unforgivable_sin.php

 

[Greg J.]

From the commentary in The Orthodox Study Bible (p.35):
"12:32 Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is blasphemy against the divine activity of the Spirit--the accusation that Jesus healed the demoniac by demonic power (v.24) rather than by the power of the Holy Spirit (v. 28; see Mark 3:29, 30).

The blasphemy in this context is not the accusation that Jesus healed by demonic power, but rather the belief that he did (which resulted in mocking the Holy Spirit, which, while horrific, is secondary).

However, if one looks at the whole Bible, you see that there are many things that result in eternal condemnation, so it must be that "the" unforgivable sin is a reference to something very general, such as rejecting God from one's heart, which can be demonstrated by all kinds of actions. This one, generalized sin can be described in many ways, some of which other posters have noted.

Note that the references to an unforgivable sin in Scripture (See also 1 John 5:16) may really be references to something that results from the unforgivable sin, as is often done in Scripture, most prominently in passages about salvation. ("Do this and you will be saved" really means, if you [can] do this genuinely from your heart, then you are [already] saved.)

 

[seashale76]

The blasphemy in this context is not the accusation that Jesus healed by demonic power, but rather the belief that he did (which resulted in mocking the Holy Spirit, which, while horrific, is secondary).

However, if one looks at the whole Bible, you see that there are many things that result in eternal condemnation, so it must be that "the" unforgivable sin is a reference to something very general, such as rejecting God from one's heart, which can be demonstrated by all kinds of actions. This one, generalized sin can be described in many ways, some of which other posters have noted.

Note that the references to an unforgivable sin in Scripture (See also 1 John 5:16) may really be references to something that results from the unforgivable sin, as is often done in Scripture, most prominently in passages about salvation. ("Do this and you will be saved" really means, if you [can] do this genuinely from your heart, then you are [already] saved.)

NO. To commit this sin you have to do it with the full knowledge of what you're doing. These aren't people who simply believe wrongly. They actually know better and do it anyway.

 

[Greg J.]

That is inherent in the latter part of my second sentence: rejecting God from one's heart

 

[seashale76]

That is inherent in the latter part of my second sentence: rejecting God from one's heart

Greg J., you aren't making sense. There is nothing wrong with anything I posted before on the matter. Read more carefully next time before trying to cause issues.

 

[drr1531]

As others have said, the only sin that will not be forgiven is rejection of God. And not only are all other sins forgivable, they are also equal. There is no gradation of sin. Prioritizing sin is something we humans feel compelled to do. To God, sin is sin. And none of it can be tolerated in his presence.

Until my own salvation I never would have believed what I wrote above. But from my own experience I now believe that ANYONE that is called and answers will be redeemed. The gift of the spirit is truly miraculous by human standards.

 

[Greg J.]

All sins are the same is only true when addressing the need for salvation--whether a person is tainted with sin or not. You're either tainted or you're not. However, the various degrees of punishment for different sins in the Mosaic Law (a reflection of God's nature) demonstrates that all sins are not the same in terms of deserved punishment.

That servant who knows his master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. ... (Luke 12:47-48a, 1984 NIV)

 

[rocknanchor]

So, in a nutshell, if a person can be worried enough to fret about it, then they haven't committed the unforgivable sin. In other words, there is hope for such a person. Those blasphemy challenge individuals you see all over the internet are missing the point.

I see your point, but what if later on down the road conviction begins to fester, absolutely convinced by deliberate intentions such as those standing before the Lord committing this act and they became repentant?

“There is sin that leads to death; I do not say that one should pray for that.” (I John 5:16)​

Not to “pray”, but what about say? If we are to be ready to “give an answer”, would that also include someone depressed and unstable, fearfully self-condemned that they are convinced to having committed this act, now caught in an un-ending repentant state of mind?

Even under such circumstances, it is within the realm of “kindness” the Spirit leads our way. How would you fashion the counsel to such a person?

I know what I might add to the conversation that might give him hope, but I wanted to know if anyone thought this isn’t acceptable?

Mike.

 

[AGTG]

Here is a video teaching I created on the topic of the unforgivable sin, also known as blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. New Covenant believers cannot do it:

 

[rocknanchor]

New Covenant believers cannot do it:

AGTG, then who is who? Do re-consider relieving yourself from the time-frame of those who committed this in front of the Lord. That they may actually did come to believe on Him some time later.

Take my encounter for instance, many years ago I sat under a preacher for a Church who fancied themselves as non-denom w/ pretty much a Baptist function.

After about a year I moved out of the area and then returned after about 15yrs. I soon set up a meeting with this same church’s new pastor to consider re-joining that body.

Having grown up in the Lord since my departure, I asked him what the Church’s position was on some of the gifts I myself agreed were from the Holy Spirit, but some wish to leave in contention? Not so with the preacher, that wasn’t good enough. Face-to-face is as plain as it gets my friend, and let me advise here, the Lord will let you know when it happens:

“We believe those things are from the devil”

Now when a body can join in with you to pray over the coffee and conversation and then brush-off what I know to be from God, this is the “deliberate intentions” that brings occasion to this unfortunate act. To advise others it isn’t possible is quite disingenuous to those trying to figure it out. I strongly recommend you refrain from this position please.

Mike.

 

[AGTG]

AGTG, then who is who? Do re-consider relieving yourself from the time-frame of those who committed this in front of the Lord. That they may actually did come to believe on Him some time later.

Take my encounter for instance, many years ago I sat under a preacher for a Church who fancied themselves as non-denom w/ pretty much a Baptist function.

After about a year I moved out of the area and then returned after about 15yrs. I soon set up a meeting with this same church’s new pastor to consider re-joining that body.

Having grown up in the Lord since my departure, I asked him what the Church’s position was on some of the gifts I myself agreed were from the Holy Spirit, but some wish to leave in contention? Not so with the preacher, that wasn’t good enough. Face-to-face is as plain as it gets my friend, and let me advise here, the Lord will let you know when it happens:

“We believe those things are from the devil”

Now when a body can join in with you to pray over the coffee and conversation and then brush-off what I know to be from God, this is the “deliberate intentions” that brings occasion to this unfortunate act. To advise others it isn’t possible is quite disingenuous to those trying to figure it out. I strongly recommend you refrain from this position please.

Mike.

If you watch the teaching, you may understand what I'm saying.

 

[rocknanchor]

Why so jumpy?

You’re jumping into concluding I didn’t watch the vid, I did.

You’re want of concluding all chances of this resting on only unbelievers is understandable, albeit in denial, just not possible as I have shown.

Apparently, that same want doesn’t wish to give my experience any consideration to this subject either, or you would have done so. Why, just because it doesn’t support your reasoning? The same want to avoid my earlier reference in I John 5:16 and why it isn’t dealt with here or the video, seeing how it doesn’t give any indication of it be tied to that tradition from Moses’ wording.

That tradition of seeking may have taken root as you said, I just find it a little awkward the Lord didn’t think it necessary to inform us of that, seeing it was said “some of the scribes and Pharisees” were seeking, but instead have us dangling ‘incorrectly’ as you wish for the reader to believe.

But if that is so, why limit your – this is why - line of reasoning? Why does He tell us “not” to pray for that one (I Jn 5:16)? Why, because that is assuming too much and doesn't touch on the other possibility as I have been saying right along. Because they may indeed come to believe on Him at a later time, “even to them that believe on His name”, time. And because it isn’t exactly a ready feature of us on how to counsel someone whom you may encounter such as I did to escape the condemning ramification.

“For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.” (Matt 12:37)​

This additional reasoning of why it isn’t so, serves as just another example when hermeneutics is the death-knell to our hearing from the Lord. Do include a little discretion when using it.

But He didn’t leave them dangling incorrectly, but counseled them to reason against that condemning fruit of oneself,

“Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit. , ,The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil.” (v33, 35)​

If it is true,

“The words I have spoken to you--they are full of the Spirit and life.” (Jn 6:63)​

Then those verses in Matthew 12 are not for the unbeliever, but for those who follow Him. Once again, the fuller context of what happens from those words we use,

“He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters.

“Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. “Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

“Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit. “You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart. “The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil. “But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. “For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.” (Matthew 12:30-37)​

Now seeing how far this has come without caring to deal with it, I’ll try it once again with you. If it were possible, would you agree with the last sentence in post #15, that is on what I might say? If you think it wouldn’t be lawful to say, say that instead.

 

[AGTG]

It's clear you are not rightly dividing God's word. You're ideas are obscure and disconnected. God's word is sharp, and clearly defined.