Unmasking Morality

Jo555 · Feb 6, 2025

As believers we are called to be like God, holy as He is holy. We were created for this, as sons and daughters embodied by his Spirit through Christ, totally dependent on Him accomplishing this.

Holiness is a matter of the heart; a heart born again by the Lord's Spirit and embodied by his Spirit.

Unfortunately, many of us are still being deceived into thinking we can be like God by partaking of the knowledge of good and evil, which equates to morality.

Morality is not holiness. Morality is a cheap carbon copy and an imposter.

Holiness through morality is a lie straight from the mouth of the enemy of our souls that is meant to entice our human nature into thinking we can be what we were already predestined to be, like God. It tells us we can be like God apart from Him.

Morality results in pride and death for we often compare our moral code with others and look down our noses at them (not that I've walked perfectly there myself).

Our standard is not our neighbor, or some moral and ethical code derived from partaking of the knowledge of good and evil. Our standard is the heart of God found in Christ.

Morality is not holiness. Morality poses as holiness, but is an imposter. It's deception that feeds our egos instead of our desire for union with God.

Let us unmask this deception and reveal it for what it is, an imposter meant to rob us of our destiny.

Let us see it for what it truly is, a deathtrap and a killer of humanity.

Morality is opposed to life in the Spirit. Its lie is as old as our beginnings in the Garden of Eden. Yet, why wouldn't the enemy keep using that lie if it is still working for him.

Unmask the lie in your life and tell it to take a hike.

2 Timothy 3:
3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Hoping2 · Feb 6, 2025

Jo555 said:
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As believers we are called to be like God, holy as He is holy. We were created for this, as sons and daughters embodied by his Spirit through Christ, totally dependent on Him accomplishing this.

Holiness is a matter of the heart; a heart born again by the Lord's Spirit and embodied by his Spirit.

Unfortunately, many of us are still being deceived into thinking we can be like God by partaking of the knowledge of good and evil, which equates to morality.

Morality is not holiness. Morality is a cheap carbon copy and an imposter.

Holiness through morality is a lie straight from the mouth of the enemy of our souls that is meant to entice our human nature into thinking we can be what we were already predestined to be, like God. It tells us we can be like God apart from Him.

Morality results in pride and death for we often compare our moral code with others and look down our noses at them (not that I've walked perfectly there myself).

Our standard is not our neighbor, or some moral and ethical code derived from partaking of the knowledge of good and evil. Our standard is the heart of God found in Christ.

Morality is not holiness. Morality poses as holiness, but is an imposter. It's deception that feeds our egos instead of our desire for union with God.

Let us unmask this deception and reveal it for what it is, an imposter meant to rob us of our destiny.

Let us see it for what it truly is, a deathtrap and a killer of humanity.

Morality is opposed to life in the Spirit. Its lie is as old as our beginnings in the Garden of Eden. Yet, why wouldn't the enemy keep using that lie if it is still working for him.

Unmask the lie in your life and tell it to take a hike.

2 Timothy 3:
3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

As man's morals are based on God's will, morality turns out to be a synonym for holiness.

Jo555 · Feb 6, 2025

Hoping2 said:
As man's morals are based on God's will, morality turns out to be a synonym for holiness.

It is a summary of the topic. More can be said of it, like ...

It is very much like the law. It is fulfilled in Christ, through his Spirit who drives us by his love. The love of God alive in our hearts by his Spirit fulfills the law.

It is not a moral code we follow, but his Spirit.

To live by a moral code apart from the Spirit of God was never the way, just like the law was never the way. It was a temp means that was brought in until through Christ we were gifted his Spirit.

Yet we did partake of the knowledge of good and evil, so now we are growing and learning to walk in his Spirit who drives us by his love, rather than a moral code based on laws / knowledge of good and evil.

Nice to see you Hope. Hope all is going well.

Jo555 · Feb 6, 2025

And no, morality is not holiness. It is an imposter, but like the law, morality based on God's law is not the problem. We are.

Hoping2 · Feb 6, 2025

Jo555 said:
It is a summary of the topic. More can be said of it, like ...

It is very much like the law. It is fulfilled in Christ, through his Spirit who drives us by his love. The love of God alive in our hearts by his Spirit fulfills the law.

It is not a moral code we follow, but his Spirit.

To live by a moral code apart from the Spirit of God was never the way, just like the law was never the way. It was a temp means that was brought in until through Christ we were gifted his Spirit.

Yet we did partake of the knowledge of good and evil, so now we are growing and learning to walk in his Spirit who drives us by his love, rather than a moral code based on laws / knowledge of good and evil.

Nice to see you Hope. Hope all is going well.

The only way your POV holds water, is if the morals you cite are not of God.
That makes them immoral at heart.
His Spirit enables me to adhere to His moral code...love God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength; and love your neighbor as you love yourself.

Jo555 · Feb 6, 2025

Hoping2 said:
The only way your POV holds water, is if the morals you cite are not of God.
That makes them immoral at heart.
His Spirit enables me to adhere to His moral code...love God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength; and love your neighbor as you love yourself.

The love of God alive in your heart for God and others is not morality. That is walking in the Spirit.

A moral code is based on partaking of the knowledge of good and evil apart from his Spirit.

Hoping2 · Feb 6, 2025

Jo555 said:
The love of God alive in your heart for God and others is not morality. That is walking in the Spirit.

A moral code is based on partaking of the knowledge of good and evil apart from his Spirit.

Isn't loving God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength; and you neighbors as yourself, a moral code ?
Walking in the Spirit is walking in God's morality.

Jo555 · Feb 6, 2025

No. Morality is based on our human nature.

The Lord's Spirit is not a moral code, but a living entity that leads us by his love.

Morality can be likened to:

Hoping2 · Feb 6, 2025

Jo555 said:
No. Morality is based on our human nature.

As our morals are based on the word of God, a human nature is only manifested by failure to maintain God 's morals.

Jo555 said:
The Lord's Spirit is not a moral code, but a living entity that leads us by his love.

God's people live moral lives.

Jo555 · Feb 6, 2025

Hoping2 said:
Hoping2 said:

As our morals are based on the word of God, a human nature is only manifested by failure to maintain God 's morals.

God's people live moral lives.

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And that is a big part of the problem, and why we often can't be distinguished between the world.

There are too many of us living in the twilight zone, as the world does.

Will look to elaborate more Hope. Bit short on time now. Thanks for contributing.

Hoping2 · Feb 6, 2025

Jo555 said:
And that is a big part of the problem, and why we often can't be distinguished between the world.

There are too many of us living in the twilight zone, as the world does.

Will look to elaborate more Hope. Bit short on time now. Thanks for contributing.

I don't believe in a twilight zone.
I believe there is only light, and darkness.
God is light, (1 John 1:5), and sin is darkness, (Pro 4:19)

Jo555 · Feb 6, 2025

Hoping2 said:
I don't believe in a twilight zone.
I believe there is only light, and darkness.
God is light, (1 John 1:5), and sin is darkness, (Pro 4:19)

An unbeliever is spiritually dead, but they are not in total darkness for they have a knowledge of God in their conscience whether they acknowledge him as God or not.

You are right to say there is light and darkness, and an unbeliever is in spiritual darkness, but he retains a knowledge of God in the form of good and evil that operates on his conscience.

If he were in total darkness, he would be just like satan, getting immense pleasure out of tormenting others.

Some are more depraved than others though.

Anyway, Romans 1 & 2 cover the darkness both believers and unbelievers can find themselves in and chptr 3 elaborates on why none can boast.

There is more to share on this, regarding the old being just a shadow of the new, etc, but short on time tonight. I may be able to find more time later.

Hoping2 · Feb 6, 2025

Jo555 said:
An unbeliever is spiritually dead, but they are not in total darkness for they have a knowledge of God in their conscience whether they acknowledge him as God or not.

A knowledge of God doesn't remove one from the darkness.

Jo555 said:
You are right to say there is light and darkness, and an unbeliever is in spiritual darkness, but he retains a knowledge of God in the form of good and evil that operates on his conscience.

Sinners walk in darkness. (1 John 1:6)

Jo555 said:
If he were in total darkness, he would be just like satan, getting immense pleasure out of tormenting others.

That is your supposition only.

Jo555 said:
Some are more depraved than others though.

Black, or white...no shades of evil/darkness.

Jo555 said:
Anyway, Romans 1 & 2 cover the darkness both believers and unbelievers can find themselves in and chptr 3 elaborates on why none can boast.

Believers walk in the light, and not darkness.

Jo555 said:
There is more to share on this, regarding the old being just a shadow of the new, etc, but short on time tonight. I may be able to find more time later.

The old man is destroyed, (Rom 6:6), before the new creature is raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:4)

Jo555 · Feb 6, 2025

Hoping2 said:
I don't believe in a twilight zone.
I believe there is only light, and darkness.
God is light, (1 John 1:5), and sin is darkness, (Pro 4:19)

An unbeliever is spiritually dead, but they are not in total darkness for they have a knowledge of God in their conscience whether they acknowledge him as God or not.

You are right to say there is light and darkness, and an unbeliever is in spiritual darkness, but he retains a knowledge of God in the form of good snd evil that operates on his conscience.

If he were in total darkness, he would be just like satan, getting immense pleasure out of tormenting others.

Some are more depraved than others though.

Anyway, Romans 1 & 2 cover the darkness both believers and unbelievers can find themselves in and chptr 3 elaborates on why none can boast.

There is more to share on this, regarding the old being just a shadow of the new, etc, but short on time tonight. I may be able to find more time later.

Hoping2 said:
A knowledge of God doesn't remove one from the darkness.

Sinners walk in darkness. (1 John 1:6)

It's what I said, they are in spiritual darkness, but you cut that portion out

Hoping2 said:
That is your supposition only.

Agree. We are made in the image of God
The angels are not. It dawned on me shortly afterwards, There can be more to say on that though ...

Hoping2 said:
Black, or white...no shades of evil/darkness.

There are shades of depravity in the conscience.

Hoping2 said:
Believers walk in the light, and not darkness.

A term I used loosely in regards to the reference in Romans. Not all that claim to believe are actually believers. I'll use the term profess to believe next time. Thanks for pointing that out. Very important.

Hoping2 said:
The old man is destroyed, (Rom 6:6), before the new creature is raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:4)

I was referring to the way of old and those that still follow it. I'll have to get further into it soon, on those professing to believe, but still counting on gaining salvation by their works.

Thanks for the feedback. Have a blessed night.

com7fy8 · Feb 7, 2025

What about Philippians 2:14? >

"Do all things without complaining and disputing," (Philippians 2:14)

To me, this seems like part of a moral code . . . of what is right and what is wrong to do. But this is part of our direction about how to get into living in God's holy love, right?

Jo555 · Feb 7, 2025

com7fy8 said:
What about Philippians 2:14? >

"Do all things without complaining and disputing," (Philippians 2:14)

To me, this seems like part of a moral code . . . of what is right and what is wrong to do. But this is part of our direction about how to get into living in God's holy love, right?

And this raises my point on morality.

1 timothy 4 Paul exhorts Timothy to teach and command.

You've put what Philippians says. So what do I do? What do I do?

I'm led by how best I can discern the Lord's Spirit leading me and i do feel He has laid this message in my heart to share.

I know Hope some. I don't have any issues with her questioning me. I can tell she feels strongly about her convictions and I don't mind addressing them if I can.

What I don't care for is nitpicking on non-essentials, and going around the same thing over and over again because there is a time we have to let the Spirit work.

But this is one of the issues that was strongly on my heart when I wrote this.

Like I know a Christian that tells me she doesn't have to open her mouth when someone accuses her of something because Jesus didn't open his mouth when He was accused and sent to the cross.

I said, well what about what He said about if you know of someone that has anything against you to try and be reconciled to them? She basically blew it off.

So what does she do? There are two references in scripture that she can go by.

She is to be led by the Spirit of God who sees all hearts and situations and will be her guide.

We hinder the flow of the Holy Spirit when we use our knowledge over his leading.

And, we can know where our hearts are at for the heart of the matter is the matter if the heart. If we are bitter, offended, ill-feelings, then we should deal with that because the Holy Spirit does not flow in contaminated waters.

As I said, i know Hope and don't have problems answering her concerns, but if it gets to nitpicking and I sense within that it is going no where productive I will tell her, as i have done before.

Jo555 · Feb 7, 2025

Jo555 said:
An unbeliever is spiritually dead, but they are not in total darkness for they have a knowledge of God in their conscience whether they acknowledge him as God or not.

You are right to say there is light and darkness, and an unbeliever is in spiritual darkness, but he retains a knowledge of God in the form of good snd evil that operates on his conscience.

If he were in total darkness, he would be just like satan, getting immense pleasure out of tormenting others.

Some are more depraved than others though.

Anyway, Romans 1 & 2 cover the darkness both believers and unbelievers can find themselves in and chptr 3 elaborates on why none can boast.

There is more to share on this, regarding the old being just a shadow of the new, etc, but short on time tonight. I may be able to find more time later.

It's what I said, they are in spiritual darkness, but you cut that portion out

Agree. We are made in the image of God
The angels are not. It dawned on me shortly afterwards, There can be more to say on that though ...

There are shades of depravity in the conscience.

A term I used loosely in regards to the reference in Romans. Not all that claim to believe are actually believers. I'll use the term profess to believe next time. Thanks for pointing that out. Very important.

I was referring to the way of old and those that still follow it. I'll have to get further into it soon, on those professing to believe, but still counting on gaining salvation by their works.

Thanks for the feedback. Have a blessed night.

And Hope, when I speak of morality I am speaking of the knowledge of good and evil that shapes the conscience. This is part of our human nature and it is not always inline with the truth.

We are foremost to be led by the Lord's Spirit. Even so, we do have a conscience that is awakened to the knowledge of good and evil and if God has deemed something ok, but we see it as wrong, we don't want to violate our weak conscience because it is always a matter of the heart for Him. If we see it as wrong and do it anyway, that is what He sees.

Romans 14
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Jo555 · Feb 7, 2025

Jo555 said:
And Hope, when I speak of morality I am speaking of the knowledge of good and evil that shapes the conscience. This is part of our human nature and it is not always inline with the truth.

We are foremost to be led by the Lord's Spirit. Even so, we do have a conscience that is awakened to the knowledge of good and evil and if God has deemed something ok, but we see it as wrong, we don't want to violate our weak conscience because it is always a matter of the heart for Him. If we see it as wrong and do it anyway, that is what He sees.

Romans 14
.

Furthermore, like the law, we can't overcome our carnal nature by morality-the knowledge of good and evil in the conscience. We need to overcome by the Lord's Spirit. And yes, believers have the Spirit to overcome, not in our own power, but by walking in the Spirit.

Jo555 · Feb 7, 2025

Romans 14 provides a great example of God's love in the Spirit, over morality.

8 Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up. 2 Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. 3 But whoever loves God is known by God.[a]

4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

7 But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.

9 Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak. 10 For if someone with a weak conscience sees you, with all your knowledge, eating in an idol’s temple, won’t that person be emboldened to eat what is sacrificed to idols? 11 So this weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. 12 When you sin against them in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother or sister to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause them to fall.

Jo555 · Feb 7, 2025

Hoping2 said:
I don't believe in a twilight zone.
I believe there is only light, and darkness.
God is light, (1 John 1:5), and sin is darkness, (Pro 4:19)

Additionally, when I refer to the Twilight Zone, I liken it to knowledge, and partaking of it. Knowledge provides some light that can shape our conscience, but it is not the knowledge of God in our inner being revealed by his Spirit, through Jesus.

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