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Universities Install Footbaths

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Universities Install Footbaths to Benefit Muslims, and Not Everyone Is
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Dearborn, USA - When pools of water began accumulating on the floor in
some restrooms at the University of Michigan-Dearborn, and the sinks
pulling away from the walls, the problem was easy to pinpoint. On this
campus, more than 10 percent of the students are Muslims, and as part
of ritual ablutions required before their five-times-a-day prayers,
some were washing their feet in the sinks.

The solution seemed straightforward. After discussions with the Muslim
Students’ Association, the university announced that it would install
$25,000 foot-washing stations in several restrooms.

But as a legal and political matter, that solution has not been quite
so simple. When word of the plan got out this spring, it created
instant controversy, with bloggers going on about the Islamification of
the university, students divided on the use of their
building-maintenance fees, and tricky legal questions about whether the
plan is a legitimate accommodation of students’ right to practice
their religion — or unconstitutional government support for that
religion.

“It’s an awkward thing,” said Alexis Oesterle, a junior. “If
I’m sitting with Muslim friends, I wouldn’t want to bring it up. In
this country, at this time, it’s not so easy to discuss the issues of
Muslims in American society.”

As the nation’s Muslim population grows, issues of religious
accommodation are becoming more common, and more complicated. Many
public school districts are grappling with questions about prayer rooms
for Muslim students, halal food in cafeterias and scheduling around
important Muslim holidays. As Muslim students point out, the school
calendar already accommodates Christians, with Sundays off and
vacations around Christmas and Easter.
 

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If more than 10% of the students of the university are Muslim, that's a pretty large group. And it looks like NOT accommodating their need to perform the footwashing ritual properly was causing far more costs through property damage than building some simple footbaths would. This looks like a good decision all around. I'd like to see some of the anti-Muslim bigots complaining try to justify their whines.
 
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How many universities? Just out of curiosity.
It is only one university, University of Michigan-Dearborn. I don't know why the OP says "Universities".

Personally, I don't have any problems with them installing the footbaths. The Muslims weren't going to stop washing their feet in the sinks and it would have been infringed on their religious freedoms to tell them to stop washing their feet altogether. It was a group of non-Muslims students that were asking them to install the footbaths, btw.
 
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I don't see anything wrong with this. It's a nice compromise between continuing to let them use the sinks(and thereby causing the destruction of the sinks) and not letting them wash their feet at all(which would be infringing upon their religious beliefs).
 
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I don't see anything wrong with this. It's a nice compromise between continuing to let them use the sinks(and thereby causing the destruction of the sinks) and not letting them wash their feet at all(which would be infringing upon their religious beliefs).

Infringing upon their religious beliefs . . . . I suppose it would be unthinkable to ask them to wash their own feet at home. Of course, I'm glad we're entering this new change of things. The next time a Christian wants to preach the Gospel, I hope someone will pay for his podium so that he can have something to place his Bible and notes on. Oh wait, that would be a violation of separation of church and state. . . . I forgot. . . .
 
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Infringing upon their religious beliefs . . . . I suppose it would be unthinkable to ask them to wash their own feet at home. Of course, I'm glad we're entering this new change of things. The next time a Christian wants to preach the Gospel, I hope someone will pay for his podium so that he can have something to place his Bible and notes on. Oh wait, that would be a violation of separation of church and state. . . . I forgot. . . .

You do realize that devout Muslims are required to pray many times a day, don't you? If a Muslim student lives away from campus, it would make no practical sense whatsoever for them to be forced to go home each time they needed to pray - it would effectively prevent them from going anywhere or doing anything. No one has any problem with Christians preaching the Gospel, provided they're not being disruptive or doing so in an inappropriate place or manner. Besides which, there's a VAST difference between preaching publicly, and private prayer. Surely you realize that your analogy just doesn't work in this situation.
 
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The next time a Christian wants to preach the Gospel, I hope someone will pay for his podium so that he can have something to place his Bible and notes on. Oh wait, that would be a violation of separation of church and state. . . . I forgot. . . .

I forgot that Bibles are too heavy to hold -- and it's not like a college student has a notebook or anything.
 
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You do realize that devout Muslims are required to pray many times a day, don't you?

Yes, I do. As I recall, it is five times a day.

If a Muslim student lives away from campus, it would make no practical sense whatsoever for them to be forced to go home each time they needed to pray - it would effectively prevent them from going anywhere or doing anything.

If the Muslim students want to wash their feet, I honestly don't care. But I object to them being catered to instead of having them bring their own portable little footbaths with them. It's ridiculous to say that I have/might have to pay for someone else's religious equipment.

No one has any problem with Christians preaching the Gospel, provided they're not being disruptive or doing so in an inappropriate place or manner. Besides which, there's a VAST difference between preaching publicly, and private prayer. Surely you realize that your analogy just doesn't work in this situation.

It works just fine, actually. The two are activities that may/may not require funds from the State being given to them. I don't see why the Muslims can't buy their own portable little footbaths and take care of it by themselves.
 
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If the Muslim students want to wash their feet, I honestly don't care. But I object to them being catered to instead of having them bring their own portable little footbaths with them. It's ridiculous to say that I have/might have to pay for someone else's religious equipment.

I'm curious: Do you support having the Ten Commandments and other Judeo-Christian religious displays up on public property?
 
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And I forgot that Muslims couldn't wash their feet at home. Whoops!

Well, it's not like they actually use them between home and the school. Whoops!

I know a lot of people, Muslim and non-Muslim, who should wash their feet more often than they apparantly do. :sick:
 
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If the Muslim students want to wash their feet, I honestly don't care. But I object to them being catered to instead of having them bring their own portable little footbaths with them. It's ridiculous to say that I have/might have to pay for someone else's religious equipment.
Maybe you can wash your feet too.
 
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Infringing upon their religious beliefs . . . . I suppose it would be unthinkable to ask them to wash their own feet at home. Of course, I'm glad we're entering this new change of things. The next time a Christian wants to preach the Gospel, I hope someone will pay for his podium so that he can have something to place his Bible and notes on. Oh wait, that would be a violation of separation of church and state. . . . I forgot. . . .
yes because it sure is easy for folks to go home every time they need to pray or preform a ritual.. or did you forget that not everyone lives a block from the schools and can't always make it home?

so tell me when did preaching the gospel become equivalent to practicing a ritual?
oh wait no, you are trying to equivalent two things that have nothing in common so you can whine how unfair schools are to the majority for trying to accommodate a minority!

this is a sad attempt
 
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The solution seemed straightforward. After discussions with the Muslim
Students’ Association, the university announced that it would install
$25,000 foot-washing stations in several restrooms.

So install them! What is the problem?

Universities install special facilities for people in wheelchairs. Why not Muslims, if they have been accepted as students to the University?


eudaimonia,

Mark
 
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