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Universalism
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As I mentioned earlier the overarching concept is that God "IS" Love, and "IS" Light.
Extrapolate out from that the positive aspects of both descriptors/attributes.
You see .How can there be any negative aspects in the end ?
Negative aspects such as judgement, death (first + second) are necessarily moderated by the positive aspects.
Because...The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. (John 1:5)
Now (as you asked for three) take these three scriptures, and imagine the word "death" encompassing the first and second "death"
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
(1st Cor 15:26-28)
How would you defend against this ?
After all .God is many things but most of all He "IS" Love and He "IS" Light.
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...and if He wanted everyone saved He would save everyone. But that's just nonsense.
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I thought it was so so tacky for anti-PCUSA in a PCUSA to send out letters it members claiming that PCUSA believes in creeping universalism to draw votes to support reasons to switch over to ECO. Ultra tacky, I decided not to be like those in ECO. They rob the PCUSA of their .com by owning the domain and then put stuff like how evil PCUSA are. ECO claims that PCUSA don't believe in Jesus and stuff like that.
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Huh? pcusa.com is a vendor of personal computers. What domain are you thinking of? layman.org?
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Please recall that the social Gospel sees the Church as carrying on the mission of the Prophets. As such it is quite willing to use judgement where it is justified, though we often disagree with conservatives about where that is. The liberal tradition most certainly does not accept everything. Those who accept universalism (which I do not) believe that God's judgement will purge people of evil. But they do not believe that God accepts or is indifferent to evil.
One of the sins that neither the liberal nor the conservative traditions accept is bearing false witness against people with whom we disagree. You might want to consider that.
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tulipbee
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a pcusa church in a large city had a .com site. ECO won 2/3 of its members but had to move to another location leaving 1/3 behind in the same original church. Some of the ECO members own the domain the pcusa church had been using. Then ECO changed that webpage claiming Pcusa church is a evil church..So the whole town looks up pcusa in directories, listings church listing and tons of other listings through the usual .com. Incredible tacky and unprofessional for ECO to hope PCUSA suffers under the cruelty of that web page. Innocent PCUSA had to use a .org domain and continued to worship as they have always had. In the long run with that .com site continues to run, ECO may suffer extreme embarrassment, later.
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Tomorrow night I'm going to talk about universalism. Any last thoughts on the subject?
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Nah, just our weekly pipe smoke and whiskey with the fellas. One of the guys has been creeping toward a Christian form of universalism where Jesus will save everyone. It will be the topic for discussion tonight.
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The Bible is choc-a-bloc full of passages which contradict universalism. Two of the most obvious are Matt 25.46 and Matt 7.14, not to mention Rev 20.15.
Sometimes it is to be heard that the Greek word for "everlasting" doesn't really mean everlasting, and to justify that statement the clock get wound back to Plato in 400BC. To discover its meaning in first century Greek, however, it is only necessary to consult Romans 16.26, where it can only sensibly be translated as "everlasting".
Sometimes it is to be heard that the Greek word for "everlasting" doesn't really mean everlasting, and to justify that statement the clock get wound back to Plato in 400BC. To discover its meaning in first century Greek, however, it is only necessary to consult Romans 16.26, where it can only sensibly be translated as "everlasting".
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