Universalism

[b.hopeful]

I'll answer that one. I don't "believe" in any Jesus.

But I do "experience" and "live" in a Jesus Christ of Love, Compassion, Mercy, Forgiveness, Salvation and Life itself.

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Amen!

 

[brinny]

It has to do with one's reality in life.

Is Jesus Christ only something to "believe" in?
Or...do we actually live in Christ as our reality.

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No, He liveth in us.

It is written for all to see.

 

[LightSeaker]

No, He liveth in us.

It is written for all to see.

OK...He lives in us...so that we can live IN Him as our Reality.

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[brinny]

He takes precedent, not us. He lives in us. He also grants us His wisdom, discernment, and truth...and His sheep hear His voice for they know Him....they listen to no other.....for they recognize wolves in sheep's clothing. It is written. It is so.

 

[timlamb]

It has to do with one's reality in life.

Is Jesus Christ only something to "believe" in?
Or...do we actually live in Christ as our reality.

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"And whosoever believeth in Him(Jesus) shall not perish."
He is not a "something", He is a SOMEONE.

If you don't live with the Word as your reality you don't live as Christ as your reality. The Holy Bible is cover to cover a book about Jesus Christ, if you don't find Him in there you do not know Him!

 

[brinny]

"And whosoever believeth in Him(Jesus) shall not perish."
He is not a "something", He is a SOMEONE.

If you don't live with the Word as your reality you don't live as Christ as your reality. The Holy Bible is cover to cover a book about Jesus Christ, if you don't find Him in there you do not know Him!

Amen.

 

[Stryder06]

Doesn't say it in Genesis.

Doesn't have to. Jesus isn't called Jesus in Genesis, but we know He's there.

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So, humanity didn't have sinful tendencies (which is to say, they were not inclined to choose sin). A human just happened one day to choose sin.

That doesn't sound so reasonable. Sounds a lot like humanity had an inclination toward sin, or they never would have sinned in the first place.
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It isn't reasonable. There's never a reason to choose sin over righteousness, death over life. But that's what happened. Eve wanted to know what it felt like to be like God, or at least she thought that was what would happen to her because that's what the serpent (satan) told her. She was deceived, her husband made the choose to die with her than to live without her, and as such we now are a fallen race.

I should study Revelation closer.

And it's possible that Jude knew what he claimed through divine revelation.

I'm about to go back into revelation myself.

 

[timlamb]

I'll answer that one. I don't "believe" in any Jesus.

But I do "experience" and "live" in a Jesus Christ of Love, Compassion, Mercy, Forgiveness, Salvation and Life itself.

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So you live in a "jesus" you made up in your head, one that is tolorable to your emotional level and your way of thinking.

Well John warned us that God said, You take away from His word, the tree of life is taken from you. You better add Justice and Judgment and Wrath to you picture of Jesus, or you deny His word.

 

[LightSeaker]

"And whosoever believeth in Him(Jesus) shall not perish."
He is not a "something", He is a SOMEONE.

For some, Christ is way more than "someone"...He IS life itself.

If you don't live with the Word as your reality you don't live as Christ as your reality. The Holy Bible is cover to cover a book about Jesus Christ, if you don't find Him in there you do not know Him!

Some find Jesus Christ both IN the Bible and being that God is unlimted, they also find Christ with IN life itself as well.

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[timlamb]

LightSeaker;52513846]For some, Christ is way more than "someone"...He IS life itself.

Poetic, but worthless.

Some find Jesus Christ both IN the Bible and being that God is unlimted, they also find Christ with IN life itself as well.

Well, if you're thinking you find Jesus anywhere, the litmus test is scripture. The Anti-Christ will resemble Jesus and decieve millions, you test it all with scripture or be led astray.

 

[LightSeaker]

So you live in a "jesus" you made up in your head, one that is tolorable to your emotional level and your way of thinking.

Well John warned us that God said, You take away from His word, the tree of life is taken from you. You better add Justice and Judgment and Wrath to you picture of Jesus, or you deny His word.

Are you saying Jesus Christ is only someone to "believe" in? And that's it? Otherwise what you wrote makes no sense to me. Personally, I like having Christ as my reality in life. Everywhere I turn my eyes, there Christ is.

In life...in my everyday experiences of Jesus Christ, I've never "experience" any Judgment or Wrath from Him. Have you?

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[LightSeaker]

What I'm seeing here is that some of you have been so successful in stuffing Jesus Christ into a bottle of limitations that your now not able to understanding or grasp the broader spiritual unlimited extent of His reach and of the reality of those living in His presence, even if said person is not a Christian.

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[timlamb]

Are you saying Jesus Christ is only someone to "believe" in? And that's it? Otherwise what you wrote makes no sense to me. Personally, I like having Christ as my reality in life. Everywhere I turn my eyes, there Christ is.

In life...in my everyday experiences of Jesus Christ, I've never "experience" any Judgment or Wrath from Him. Have you?

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Think about it. What does it mean to "Believe In" someone. You follow their lead and trust them completely. So yes, in the complete sence of what scripture says, BELIEVE IN HIM, and "that's it", you walk with Jesus.

As for Judgement and wrath, I'm hoping we can both avoid it, because it is for those who don't "Believe in" Jesus.

The point is the truth of scripture. If you don't "Believe In" the Jesus of the Bible, you don't know Jesus our Lord and Savior. He PROMISES there will be wrath and judgment, so you can count on it comming, it's in His word! He gave His WORD!

 

[Tissue]

Doesn't have to. Jesus isn't called Jesus in Genesis, but we know He's there.

If you assume that Genesis 1-4 describes actual, historical events.

It isn't reasonable. There's never a reason to choose sin over righteousness, death over life. But that's what happened. Eve wanted to know what it felt like to be like God, or at least she thought that was what would happen to her because that's what the serpent (satan) told her. She was deceived, her husband made the choose to die with her than to live without her, and as such we now are a fallen race.

*shrug*

What you've just described sounds an awful lot like people indulging their inclinations toward sin.

 

[timlamb]

What I'm seeing here is that some of you have been so successful in stuffing Jesus Christ into a bottle of limitations that your now not able to understanding or grasp the broader spiritual unlimited extent of His reach and of the reality of those living in His presence, even if said person is not a Christian.

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It is you who try to remove parts of His character. Read HIS word! It is easy to find out who He is, it is "BELIEVING IN HIM" that is the tough part.

And no, I do not believe one who is not a "Christ follower" is living in His presence. That is against scripture!

 

[Tissue]

Poetic, but worthless.

I happen to find it intriguing.

Well, if you're thinking you find Jesus anywhere, the litmus test is scripture. The Anti-Christ will resemble Jesus and decieve millions, you test it all with scripture or be led astray.

Scripture is not the end-all-be-all. There's a lot of truth outside of Scripture. There's a lot of truth that is not in Scripture. There is a lot of Jesus that is not in Scripture.

In fact, properly speaking, Jesus is not in Scripture at all. Scripture is about Jesus, and it is an incomplete and human portrait of him.

 

[timlamb]

I happen to find it intriguing.



Scripture is not the end-all-be-all. There's a lot of truth outside of Scripture. There's a lot of truth that is not in Scripture. There is a lot of Jesus that is not in Scripture.

In fact, properly speaking, Jesus is not in Scripture at all. Scripture is about Jesus, and it is an incomplete and human portrait of him.

And there in lies the problem, you don't believe scripture. It is "incomplete and human" to you. Man may be able to connect with Jesus on higher plains but if anything learned does not fit with scripture it is not of God. If we do not have a foundation in the Word of God then how can you deny anyones teaching? You can't. You fall into the trap of "feel it, believe it", and there is not absolute truth.

I am sure God is bigger than the Holy Book He gave us to know Him by, but if you begin by denying the truth of certain passages you have nothing, the book goes out the window. You cannot have a "body" or a "church" without a solid foundation. God gave us His word, written by eye witnesses and not denyed by the people of the day. You deny there is a real Satan, even though we quote scripture of Jesus telloing about him and his kingdom.

You build your own Jesus and butcher the scriptures for personal reasons. You allow yourself to be decieved by feelings that are contrary to the Word of God, and then you have the gall to accuse us of keeping Jesus in a small box, reduced. Again, it is you who deny His power as reported to us in His own words. Again, you are in danger of wrath if you deny His word or add or take away from it! Be careful, and "BELIEVE IN" Him.

 

[Nadiine]

What I'm seeing here is that some of you have been so successful in stuffing Jesus Christ into a bottle of limitations that your now not able to understanding or grasp the broader spiritual unlimited extent of His reach and of the reality of those living in His presence, even if said person is not a Christian.

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We keep Him in the writings He's given us.

I'd rather "keep Him bottled up in limitation" (GIVEN THRU HIS
HOLY WORD TO US ABOUT HIMSELF thru eyewitnesses) than
create a new Jesus of my own imagination that does what
I think He should do as a god.

 

[Nadiine]

I happen to find it intriguing.



Scripture is not the end-all-be-all. There's a lot of truth outside of Scripture. There's a lot of truth that is not in Scripture. There is a lot of Jesus that is not in Scripture.

In fact, properly speaking, Jesus is not in Scripture at all. Scripture is about Jesus, and it is an incomplete and human portrait of him.

So the fact that you determine what's false and deniable in it
speaks volumes as to what you accept too.
You lack all foundation to base your own beliefs on when you
rip it apart to create a bible you prefer.

If it's false in some areas, you can't prove that alot of what you
do accept from it is true either.

 

[Nadiine]

It has to do with one's reality in life.

Is Jesus Christ only something to "believe" in?
Or...do we actually live in Christ as our reality.

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Jesus Christ IS GOD - and we believe IN HIM for our
salvation.
He is no "experience", He is a person of the Trinity.