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There is no opportunity to repent after death............any thought otherwise is myth.If repentance is difficult in life, how much more difficult would it be to have to finally turn around and change your heart after death? Obviously we can't answer that question, but Universalism doesn't eliminate the need for repentance. I think it underscores it.
Yeah, that's what I was saying. It seems to be a case of, if you can't argue with someone's point, misstate it as something it isn't.
Myself, I'm just heartened to see there are so many brothers and sisters here, and from various branches of Christianity, who not only understand that our God WILL NOT let anyone be lost forever, but are courageous enough to stand up and say it, and to show plenty of Scriptural support for that understanding as well.
Christian Universalism has a solid basis in scripture, and in the early Church, was a dominate belief. Many of the great Christian saints were outright universalist or leaned in that direction.If my child became a wayward soul, as any loving parent I would do everything I could to woo him back to a healthy and restorative place. I would never give up on him. I would put no time limits on my love and patience towards him.
If our Father desires all men to be saved, why can't he continue to work on their souls postmortem? If he wanted to, couldn't he do it? Can't God do what he wants to do? I think he can do what he wants to do.
So, if God desires all men to be saved and if God can do what he wants to do, he wouldn't put a time limit (i.e. upon death) on his love and patience towards us.
So, if God's love and patience run out on a soul upon death, either God doesn't want all men to be saved or God can't do what he wants to do. Which is it?
I just realized I never answered your Wordpress post, after I finished reading it. Though lacking in scriptural support, he does present an abundance of logical points which should cause any thinking ECT to reflect a bit more with their own brain instead of just yielding to brains who lived a long time ago and tweaked the truth of the 'good news gospel' into just 'a hell of a bad story' about an ugly God, IMO.
Christian Universalism has a solid basis in scripture, and in the early Church, was a dominate belief. Many of the great Christian saints were outright universalist or leaned in that direction.
You're making assumptions about God that may...or may not be true. You just stating what you would do if YOU were God.You could also say, "If God is able to save any and all people, why would He wait until after people die and have lived such miserable and awful lives in this world?" If He was going to have universal salvation, He could easily do it in this life.
The Orthodox Church fathers taught that pain and suffering was the inspiration of faith, through much trials and tribulations, until we are perfected in faith, through God's perfect love.
A lot. Do your own research!'many'? How many is 'many,' Jeff?
Isn't that exactly what Universalists do? Make assumptions about God's intentions, based on human emotional influence, rather than Scripture?You're making assumptions about God that may...or may not be true. You just stating what you would do if YOU were God.
A lot. Do your own research!
Isn't that exactly what Universalists do? Make assumptions about God's intentions, based on human emotional influence, rather than Scripture?
So allowing eternal torment is just? In the end, God's mercy will will be the victor.Because God is just as well as merciful.
There is no opportunity to repent after death............any thought otherwise is myth.
My first post about that was to show that there are "fundamentalists" and "mystics" in just about every denomination (and religion). There is no "fundamentalist" denomination. If you hold to the belief system---why would it be an insult? I'm not insulted if someone were to say, "your language sounds a lot like a Christian mystic".
Nonsense! The case for the ultimate reconciliation of ALL souls dwarfs the notion that God is going to let the vast majority of his creation burn in hell forever.I have...and it wasn't that many.
So allowing eternal torment is just? In the end, God's mercy will will be the victor.
Nonsense! The case for the ultimate reconciliation of ALL souls dwarfs the notion that God is going to let the vast majority of his creation burn in hell forever.
That would be....wrong...again. I fear God, I just don't fear your version of hell. IOW my fear is well-placed, and yours is not.You mean, that you have no fear of God now as compared to your earlier years and you have reached a point in your faith that you are comfortable with. Is that right?
Maybe I haven't been paying attention. But it seems to me that the belief that all people will be saved after death, regardless of how the lived in life, simply by the love of God is being led by the assumption of God's desires that are based in human emotion. Perhaps it is the thought of men and women living a life of eternal torment that causes one to reject the teaching of Scripture on Hell. To me its an over-emphasis on the love and compassion of God—and an absolute neglect of the righteousness and justice of God—that leads one to believe God will have mercy on every living soul.No, it is not, and your statement shows that you haven't been paying attention at all!
Oh I rather look forward to it. But then my heart is probably in tune with the heart of the one who died for them on the cross too. So I expect I will have to be in line behind him.I guess we can sit back and do the "wait and see" game as to whether or not Universalism is indeed God's choice for a salvation economy. ... I can hardly wait to shake the hands of Genghis Khan, Hitler, Stalin and Mao.m'boy!
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