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The Salvation of All -Andrew Murray Chapter 23:God's Will-

"I exhort therefore, that, supplications, prayers, intercessions, -and giving of thanks be made for all men .... this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour, who will have all men to be saved' -1 Timothy 2:14-

"The Lord is long suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance " -2 Peter 3:9-

After Paul urged that supplications, prayers, and intercessions should be made for all men, he reminded us that we may do so in confident assurance that it is good and acceptable to God. He wills that all men should be saved. The knowledge and faith of God's will for all is to be the motivation and the measure of our prayer for all. What God in heaven wills and works for His children on earth we are to will and work for, too. As we enter into His will for all, we will know what we are to do to fulfill that will. And, as we pray and labor for all, the faith in His will for all will inspire us with confidence and love.

Perhaps the question arises--

If God wills the salvation of all, why is it not happening? What about the doctrine of election, as Scripture teaches us? And, what about the Omnipotence of God, which is surely equal to His love that wills the salvation of all? As to election, remember that there are mysteries in God and in Scripture which are beyond our reach. If there are apparently conflicting truths which we cannot reconcile, we know that Scripture was not written, like a book of science, to satisfy the intellect. It is the revelation of the hidden wisdom of God, which tests and strengthens faith and submission, and awakens love and childlike teachableness.

If we cannot understand why His power does not work what His will has purposed, we will find that all that God does or does not do is decided by conditions far beyond our human comprehension. It requires a Divine wisdom to grasp and to order God's ways. We will learn that God's will is as much beyond our comprehension as God's being. And, it is our wisdom, safety, and happiness to accept every revealed truth with the simplicity and the faith of little children. We must yield ourselves to it to prove its living power within our hearts. Let us not fear to yield ourselves to the utmost to this blessed word: God will have all men to be saved.

God is love. His will is love.

As He makes His sun to shine on the good and the evil, so His love rests on all. However little we can understand why His love is so long-suffering and patient, we can believe in and be assured of the love that God gives to us a love whose measure in heaven is the gift of His Son, and on earth every child of man. His love is nothing but His will in its Divine energy doing its very utmost in accordance with the Divine law. Thus, His relationship to mankind is regulated to make men partakers of His blessedness. His will is nothing but His love in its infinite patience and tenderness delighting to win and bless every heart into which it can gain access.

If we only knew God and His love, how we would look on every man we see as one upon whom that love rests and for whom it longs. We would begin to wonder about the mystery of grace that has taken up the Church, as the body of Christ, as a partner in the great work of making that love known, and rendered itself dependent upon its faithfulness. And, we would see that all who live to do God's will must believe this to be its central glory: our doing the will that wills that all men should be saved.

God will have all men to be saved.

This truth is a supernatural mystery. It can only be understood by a spiritual mind through the teaching of the Holy Spirit. It is in itself so Divine and beyond our apprehension- the difficulties that surround it are so many and so real-that it needs so much time and sacrifice to master its teaching. To very many who do not possess a humble, loving heart, the words carry little meaning.

To the believer, who in very deed seeks to know and to do all God's will, God's words give a new meaning to life. He begins to see that this call to love and to save his fellow-men is not something accidental or additional. He begins to realize that, along with the other things that make up his life, he can devote as much time and thought to this as he sees fit. He learns that just as this loving, saving will of God is the secret source of all His will and rules it all, so this loving, saving will is to be the chief thing that he lives for, too.

I have been redeemed, organically united to, and made a member of the saving Christ, who came to do this will of the Father.

I have been chosen and set apart and fitted for this as the one object of my being in the world. I begin to see that the prayer, Thy will be done! means, above everything else, that I give myself for this loving, saving will of God to possess, inspire, use, and if need be, consume me.

And, I feel the need of spelling out the words of the sentence until my heart can call them its own: God-my God, who lives in me--will have, with His whole heart, in that will which He has revealed to His people that they may carry it into effect--all men, here around me, and to the ends of the earth--to be saved, to have everlasting life.

Paul wrote these words in connection with a call to prayer for all men. Our faith in the truth of God's loving, saving will must be put into practice. It must stir us to prayer. And prayer will most certainly stir us to work. We must not only seek to believe and feel the truth of these words, but we must also act. This will of God must be done. Let us look upon those around us as the objects of God's love, whom His saving will is seeking to reach. Let us, as we yield ourselves to this will, go and speak to those around us about God's love in Christ.

It is possible that we are not succeeding in doing God's will in our personal life because we neglect the chief thing. As we pray to be possessed and filled with the knowledge of God's will, let us seek, in all things, to have our hearts filled with this love. Let us have tongues which speak of Jesus and His salvation, and a will which finds its strength in God's own will--that all men be saved. So will our life, our love, our work, and our will in some measure be like that of Jesus Christ--a doing of the Father's will, that none of these little ones should perish.
 
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If it is God's will that everyone will be saved, what happens to the ones who die without knowing him? What about the ones who die rejecting it?
I have not read all of the posts in this thread, so perhaps this question has been asked and answered. If so, please tell me the post #!
 
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blessedbe said:
If it is God's will that everyone will be saved, what happens to the ones who die without knowing him? What about the ones who die rejecting it?
I have not read all of the posts in this thread, so perhaps this question has been asked and answered. If so, please tell me the post #!
My friend: "If" is not in the equation!

"I exhort therefore, that, supplications, prayers, intercessions, -and giving of thanks be made for all men .... this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour, who will have all men to be saved" -1 Timothy 2:14-

Will have= Thelo=

To will.

To have in mind.

To intend.

To resolve and determine. To purpose.

To take delight and pleasure in.
 
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blessedbe said:
If it is God's will that everyone will be saved, what happens to the ones who die without knowing him? What about the ones who die rejecting it?
I have not read all of the posts in this thread, so perhaps this question has been asked and answered. If so, please tell me the post #!
The worship of all beings in the heavens, the earth, and the underworld is not by perfunctory genuflections!

Phil. 2:10,11

"It is because of this also that God has so highly exalted Him, and has conferred on Him the Name which is supreme above every other name,

In order that in the Name of Jesus (so that in adoration of the Name of Jesus) every knee should bow, of beings in the highest heavens, of those on the earth, and of those in the underworld, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Kampto= bow=

Used of worshippers.

To bow one's self.

Confess= Exomologeo=

Confess/ profess.

A. To acknowledge openly and joyfully.

B. To celebrate/ to give praise to.

Exomologeo Rooted In Homologeo

Homologeo=


To confess/ declare.

A. To profess/ declare openly and freely.

B. To profess one's self the worshipper of one.

C. To praise and celebrate.

"Hina en onomo lesous pas gonu kampto epouranios kai epigeious kai katachthonios kai pas glossa hoti lesous Christos kurios eis doxa Theos Pater"
 
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Maybe I phrased the question wrong.....

My sister-in-law is agnostic. She believes that there is a god, but does not think he is a personal god, she thinks that all religions are good, yet does not adhere to any of them. She thinks that as long as people are good to eachother and moral, that all will be ok, and that maybe there is some form of reincarnation, although she won't say for sure. she thinks that religion in general is needed for "weaker" people who need some sort of "god" to be accountable to in order to be good, but she's strong and can be good all on her own.

Now, if she were to die today, what would happen to her?
 
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I've been studying Universal Reconciliation for over two years now. I am a Trinitarian who believes in the Deity of Christ. The only thing we have here is a Unitarian Universalist church, so I have no one locally to study or fellowship with. If anyone from the Roanoke, VA area sees this post, feel free to drop me a line.

 
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blessedbe said:
Maybe I phrased the question wrong.....

My sister-in-law is agnostic. She believes that there is a god, but does not think he is a personal god, she thinks that all religions are good, yet does not adhere to any of them. She thinks that as long as people are good to eachother and moral, that all will be ok, and that maybe there is some form of reincarnation, although she won't say for sure. she thinks that religion in general is needed for "weaker" people who need some sort of "god" to be accountable to in order to be good, but she's strong and can be good all on her own.

Now, if she were to die today, what would happen to her?
My friend, 1 Cor. 15:21-28 indicates there are stages of our Lord's triumph in every life. "For as in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive."..."but each man in his own order..." The final subuing of all things unto, and under Him, is by the working of hupotasso, the same hupotasso the Lord Jesus Christ subjects Himself to the Father after He has hupotasso (ed) all things under His feet.

Ephesians chapter 1 declares that in the fulness of times, He will reconcile all things unto Himself; and expresses this glorious mystery as what our Father "has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ...."

Your sister-in-law has just never experienced the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord as yet, one little excursion into His Presence will change and transform the hardest of our species, we are proof of that for sure!

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all mankind to be saved, and come to a knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator/intermediary between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;Who gave himself as a ransom for all mankind to be testified in due time."


"Who will have all mankind to be saved"

"Will have=" Thelo=


Thelo= A strengthened form of Haireomai (To take for oneself)

To will.

To have in mind.

To intend.

To purpose.

To be resolved and determined.

To desire/ to wish/ to love/ to be fond of doing.

To take delight/ to take pleasure in doing.

"Who will thelo all men to be saved"

Saved= Sozo=


To save.

To rescue from the danger of destruction.

To keep safe and sound.

To save a suffering one.

To make well. To heal. To restore to health.

All means some?; the Saviour [Soter] of the whole [holos] world [kosmos] will not save the whole [holos] world [kosmos] in due time?

Those who think for a nano-second that thelo means only a wish, or a desire, or a longing that is unattainable, must consider the fact the same word used in 1 Timothy is used by the Saviour of the holos kosmos in Matt. 27:63....

"After three days I WILL [THELO] rise again."

Who would have the audacity to suggest that Jesus Christ only "wanted" or "desired" to rise again from hades? Perhaps, the Saviour of the holos kosmos had a weak wish, or even a strong wish, to rise from the dead?

"I will/thelo rise again."

The Eternal One, the Father of all fathers, never ever simply wishes or hopes for anything. He desires that which is certain to come about, for it is good and acceptable in His heart and mind.

The Creation In Christ -George MacDonald-

http://www.ccel.org/m/macdonald/unspoken3/unspoken3.htm
 
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A Man In ROANOKE said:
I've been studying Universal Reconciliation for over two years now. I am a Trinitarian who believes in the Deity of Christ. The only thing we have here is a Unitarian Universalist church, so I have no one locally to study or fellowship with. If anyone from the Roanoke, VA area sees this post, feel free to drop me a line.
Hi there Man In Roanoke....we lived just down the road from you in Shippensburg, Pa. for many years, but alas, we are far removed from the glorious place at the moment. The Unitarian Universalist groups do not, in my opinion, represent what Bible believers grasp as the restitution of all things centered in Christ Jesus our Lord. There are those who have through the ages grasped the "wider hope" including Geo. MacDonald and Hannah W. Smith and William Law to name but a few. Their knowledge and experience of the Lord's gracious hand in and of itself cannot be our guide, but they must be considered.

I do trust you will continue to look unto our Lord, seeking for Him to manifest Himself to you in His cherished will. Rest assured: He is alive, He speaks today from the throne-room; and in His good pleasure will draw aside the veil for small peeks into His transcendent glory as we are prepared beforehand for Him.

Dr. Arthur Tappan Pierson -The Bible & Spiritual Life-

"This view (Restitution of All) is so clearly scriptural that the only surprise is that it has not been more definitely and widely held. It adds immeasurably, both to the glory of Christ as the coming King, and the Father as the former and framer of the ages. It is the period typified by the eighth day of the Mosaic Code: the perfect glory of Christ, reserved for 'the morrow after.' The millennial 'Sabbath.' And while the millenial period is limited to a thousand years, there are no definite limits to this final age of glory."

"In order that in adoration of the Name of Jesus every knee will bow themselves and openly acknowledge with joy, in celebration and praise, that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. This profession and confession of His lordship shall be openly and freely proclaimed, acknowledged joyfully by all beings in the heavens, of those on the earth and those in the underworld."

-Dr. P. B. Fitzwater- (Professor of Systematic Theology- Moody Bible Institute) Christian Theology P. 407

"Then there is the Universalist who declares that the redemption provided by Christ avails for the salvation of all men. This means that what God has done for the salvation of sinful men accrues to the benefit of all men. This view of Universalism is quite widespread. Many leaders in the evangelical church hold to this view, even though they have not dared to declare it." -Dr. P. B. Fitzwater

Schaff-Hertzog Encyclopedia Of Religious Knowledge

"Under the instruction of these great teachers many other theologians believed in universal salvation; and indeed the whole Eastern Church (q.v.) until after 500 A.D. inclined to it.

In the West this doctrine had fewer adherents and was never accepted by the Church at large.

In the first five or six centuries of Christianity there were six theological schools, of which four (Alexandria, Antioch, Caesarea, and Edessa, or Nisibis) were Universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality; one (Carthage or Rome) taught endless punishment of the wicked. Other theological schools are mentioned as founded by Universalists, but their actual doctrine on this subject is not known."

http://www.ccel.org/php/disp.php?authorID=schaff&bookID=encyc12&page=96&view=

Universalism The Prevailing Doctrine - Dr. J.W. Hanson-

http://hellbusters.8m.com/upd1.html

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.html

"And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our sins only/monos, but also for the sins of the whole (holos) world (cosmos)." -1 John 2:2-
 
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First of all, the Greek term Gehenna is formed from the Hebrew, 'Valley of Ben Hinnom,' which means place of fire - or the lake of fire.
The fires of the Valley of Ben Hinnom have long since been extinguished. The history of the Valley is well documented, and is not the Lake of Fire that burns with Jehovah's breath. I ask you again to differentiate between our God who is a consuming fire and the Lake that burns with Divine theion.

I quote from an earlier post of mine on this thread of the eleven passages of Scripture in which Jesus used the term Gehenna, in which the KJV interpreted as the term 'hell.'
The King James Version has done many wonderful things. The entire 63 verses of the Hebrew text for sheol (sh@'awl) have been translated hell, pit, grave by the K.J.V. translators. Why? What does sheol mean? Can you point to one Scripture in the Old Covenant that demonstrates eternal torment? Do you really believe the Saviour of the holos cosmos has come with healing in His wings to enhance the teaching of sh@'awl to eternal torment?

Gehenna, or the lake of fire, is the final and permanent place of torment for the wicked. Hell [Or Hades] is temporary - until it is itself thrown into the lake of fire. Rev.20:14.
Gehenna and the Lake of Fire are not synonomous! Our Father is not a Master tormenter, but rather the One who deviseth ways for the banished to be restored. Hell is indeed temporary, being ultimately swallowed up in the Lake of Divine incense with all aspects of thanatos.

The following are the eleven passages Jesus spoke in which He used the term Gehenna, not hell i the original manuscripts.
The original manuscripts has gehenna, hades and tartarus all translated hell by the K.J.V. There are 23 scriptures in the New Covenant including 10 for hades, 12 for gehenna and 1 for tartarus. There should be 24 passages since the K.J.V. translators missed 1 Cor. 15:55 "Oh death, where is thy sting? Oh grave, where is thy victory." To be consistent they should have translated [Oh death, where is thy sting? Oh hell, where is thy victory.]

Jesus used the term GEHENNA [lake of fire] in the following eleven Scriptures that have been rendered 'HELL:' [This is the reason there is so much misunderstanding about the permanent status and torment for the eternal destiny of the wicked].

Mt.5:22, 29, 30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15, 33; Mk.9:43, 45, 47 and Lk.12:5. James used it in Jas.3:6."
My friend, the eternal destiny of the wicked is not eternal torment. There is indeed judgement of the wicked and they have been reserved "for punishment". The punishment of our Father is rooted in kolozo and means to lop and prune/ to curb, check, restrain & to correct....with correction meaning alteration that improves/ reforms/ rehabilitates & removes errors, bathed in rectification and amending.

Never ever does Jesus Christ speak of everlasting torment! Ever! The word for torment is basanizo and is used of one sick of the palsy "grieviously tormented/ basanizo"; of disciples in a ship "tossed/basanizo with waves"; "vexed/basanizo" in speaking of Lot in 2 Peter 2:8, and as birth-pangs in the Revelation. In other Scriptures, such as the ones you posted, the Scripture in the K.J.V. is translated as torment or tormented.

Your statement "Jesus Christ clearly speaks of a place of everlasting torment..." is simply not correct. Jesus Christ never speaks of everlasting torment!

Have you forgotten the entire book of Revelation was dictated to the apostle John by Jesus? The lake of fire, [Gehenna] is eternal permanent torment.
No, my friend, I have not "forgotten" the entire book of the Revelation! Not only does our Father speak of basanizo; He speaks of all things being made new. Kainos means unprecedented, and flows in absolute union with basinizo. In union with the prophets who declare a feast of unprecedented glory, when the tears from all faces are removed as death is swallowed up in victory; so also the leaves of the Tree of Life are for what? Yes, my friend, the leaves of the Tree of Life are for the healing of the nations. Not destruction, not torment, not dismay...the healing of the nations! The leaves of the Tree of Life are God's ultimate therepia for sin and rebellion!

The Bible Hell

Gehenna


http://hellbusters.8m.com/biblehell6.htm

Opinion Of Scholars

Gehenna Located In This World

Jewish Views Of Gehenna

Important Facts

Cast Into Hell-Fire

The Undying Worm

Destroy Soul and Body In Hell

The Child Of Hell

The Damnation Of Hell

Set On Fire Of Hell

http://hellbusters.8m.com/biblehell6.htm
 
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Roanoke Man....we are glad you have joined us on the forums. What has the Father shown you as you have considered the Restitution of all things?

-1 John 2:2-

"And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our sins only, but for the sins of the whole world.


"He is the propitiation"

Propitiation= hilasmos

An appeasing. propitiating.

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2434&version=

"For our sins"

Our= Hemon=

Our/ We/ Us.

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2257&version=

"Sins"= Hamartia=

Literally a missing of the mark.

To be without a share.

To miss the mark.

To err, to be mistaken.

To miss, or wander from the path of righteousness and honour.

To do, or go wrong.

To wander from the law of God, to violate God's law.

A violation of the Divine law in thought or act.

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=266&version=

"And" = Dev=

But/ moreover, and (conjunction)

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=1161&version=

Note:

"Not for our sins only"


Only= Monos=

Alone/ solitary.

Only/ alone.

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3440&version=

"But also"

Also= Kai=

And/ also/ even/ indeed/ but.

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2532&version=

"For the sins of the whole world"

Whole= Holos=

All/ Whole/ Completely.

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3650&version=

"World"= Kosmos=

The world.

The universe.

The inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family.

The ungodly multitude.

The whole mass of men alienated from God, and hostile to Christ.

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2889&version=

"We labour and suffer reproach because we base our hopes on the living God who is the Saviour of all mankind and especially/malista of those who place their trust in Him." -1 Tim. 4:10-

Note:

Malista, not Monos!


http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/h/a/haillord.htm

"The ocean depths are but a puddle in the Presence of the One whose is essence is love incarnate." -David E.L. Johnson-
 
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While the value of the atonement was sufficient to save all mankind, it was efficient to save only the elect. It is indifferently well adapted to the salvation of one man to that of another, thus making the salvation of every man objectively possible; yet because of subjective difficulties, arising on account of the sinners own inability either to see or appreciate the things of God, only those are saved who are regenerated and sanctified by the Holy Spirit. The reason why God does not apply this grace to all men has not been fully revealed.
-Theologian Loraine Boettner-

Questions For Loraine

1. What is the holos of the kosmos?

2. What does "only" mean in koine?

3. What does "not" "only" mean?

4. What is a potential saviour, and how does his saving work apply to a drowning man? Does he try, and fail to save? Does he not intend to save? The cry for help is not from one of the "elect", therefore the cry of despair is disregarded?

5. What is the purpose of our Father of the leaves of the Tree of Life beside the Katharos River?

6. What are the firstfruits of the Father's grace? What comes after the firstfruits?

7. Define the Scriptures that limit the grace and love of God?

8. Since all mankind are totally depraved (T. in T.U.L.I.P ), how is it that our Father has made subjective difficulties, arising on account of the sinners own inability either to see or appreciate the things of God?

8. What does "not willingly" mean to you?

9. Does one's salvation rest upon his ability, or the love and grace of God?

10. What does inability mean to you?
 
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"He also Himself through death might destroy him that had the power of death, that is the devil....

And deliver them who through fear of death...were subject to bondage."
-Hebrews 2:14-

The misery of "thanatos/ death", encompassing the region of thickest darkness, enveloped in the darkness of sin and ignorance, is met by the Christ of katargeo. The Scriptures declare that Jesus Christ through death might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.

Destroy= Katargeo

Katargeo=


To render idle/ inactive/ inoperative.

To cause to have no further efficiency.

To deprive of force/ influence and power.

To cause to cease/ to put and end to/ to do away/ to abolish/ to annul.

To be severed/ to be separated/ to be discharged/ to be loosed from.

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2673&version=

"Death is swallowed up in victory"

Swallowed up= Katapino

Katapino=


To draw into an abyss or gulf, to absorb.

To seize and waste/ to consume/ to exhaust.

To absorb, inbibe, ingolf, engross, consume.

To completely enclose or swallow up.

"Death/thanatos is swallowed up/katapino in victory."

Victory= Nikos

Nikos=


To utter vanquish.

Victory.

"But the truth is, Christ was raised to life--the first-fruits of the harvest of the dead.

For since it was a man who brought death into the world, a man also brought resurrection of the dead.

As in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be brought to life again;

But each man in his own order (proper place):

Christ the first-fruits, and afterwards, at His coming, those who belong to Christ (Christ's fellowship)

Then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to God the Father, after abolishing every kind of domination, authority, and power.

For He is destined to reign until God has put all enemies under His feet; and the last enemy to be abolished is death."
-1 Cor. 15:26-

Abolished= Katargeo=

To render idle and inoperative.

To deprive of force, influence and power.

To put an end to/ to do away/ to annul/ to abolish.

"Subject to bondage"

Bondage= Douleia

Douleia=


The condition of a slave.

Slavery/ bondage.

Deliverance

"And deliver them"

Deliver= Apallasso

Apallasso=

To set free/ to deliver.

To remove/ to release.

Apallasso Rooted In Allasso

Allasso=


To change.

To exchange one thing for another.

To transform.

"Manifested that He might destroy the works of the devil."

Destroy= Luo

Luo=


To loose any person or thing tied or fastened.

To loose one bound/ to unbind/ to release from bonds.

To set free those bound in chains.

To annul/ to subvert.

To do away/ to deprive of authority.

To break up/ to demolish.

To overthrow/ to do away with.

The Prince-Leader of the Rectification swallows up in victory all enemies.
 
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"Subject to bondage"

Bondage= Douleia

Douleia=

The condition of a slave.

Slavery/ bondage.

Deliverance

"And deliver them"

Deliver= Apallasso

Apallasso=

To set free/ to deliver.

To remove/ to release.

Apallasso Rooted In Allasso

Allasso=


To change.

To exchange one thing for another.

To transform.

FineLinen, I have been following your posts for quite a while now, and would like to say thank-you. The hope that our God places within our hearts of complete deliverance is overwhelming. The whole creation is to be set free from slavery!
 
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Schaff-Hertzog Encyclopedia Of Religious Knowledge

"Under the instruction of these great teachers many other theologians believed in universal salvation; and indeed the whole Eastern Church (q.v.) until after 500 A.D. inclined to it.

In the West this doctrine had fewer adherents and was never accepted by the Church at large.

In the first five or six centuries of Christianity there were six theological schools, of which four (Alexandria, Antioch, Caesarea, and Edessa, or Nisibis) were Universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality; one (Carthage or Rome) taught endless punishment of the wicked. Other theological schools are mentioned as founded by Universalists, but their actual doctrine on this subject is not known."


http://www.ccel.org/php/disp.php?authorID=schaff&bookID=encyc12&page=96&view=

Universalism The Prevailing Doctrine - Dr. J.W. Hanson-

http://hellbusters.8m.com/upd1.html

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Prevailing.html

[move]"And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our sins only/monos, but also for the sins of the whole (holos) world (cosmos)."[/move] -1 John 2:2-
Rev. Elhanan Winchester

"I laid the book down, (The Everlasting Gospel) and I believe we both concluded it to be a pleasant, ingenious hypothesis, but had no serious thoughts of its being true; and for my part, I determined not to trouble myself about it, or to think any more of the matter."

"....and among his books I found the Everlasting Gospel by Paul Siegvolck; this was the second copy that had fell my way, and I read a little more therein, but as yet had not the least thought that ever I should embrace his sentiments; yet some of his arguments appeared very conclusive, and I could not shake them off, but I concluded to leave them alone, and not investigate the matter; and therefore I never gave the book even one cursury reading, till with great difficulty I procured one in the city of Philadelphia, more than two years afterward..."

http://www.godstruthfortoday.org/ElhananWinchester/Winchester002.html

The Everlasting Gospel

"It was the first book that "ever I saw which treated upon the subject of the Universal Restoration, and it was by reading a little therein, that I first began to turn my thoughts and attention to the system which I now bold forth. Indeed the argument pressed upon my mind in such a manner that I could not get rid of them; and though I strove long against them, yet they conquered me in about three years."

http://www.godstruthfortoday.org/ElhananWinchester/Winchester015.html

Dr. George de Benneville

Life Changing Experience #1

At around 12 years of age de Benneville was sent to sea as a midshipman, and his ship was sent as part of a small fleet on a diplomatic mission to the Barbary Coast. While in Algiers, he observed that the behavior of some Moors who had been atttending a fallen friend was more Christian than his own. Back home, he had a vision of himself "burning as a firebrand in hell." After more than a year of depression, during which he felt oppressed by unforgivable sins, he had another vision, this one of Jesus telling him that he had been redeemed and was forgiven. Interrogated about his conversion experience, he told the ministers of the French Calvinist church in London that because he, the greatest of sinners, had been saved, "I could not have a doubt but the whole world would be saved by the same power." As a result of this testimony the predestinarian ministers denied him membership in the church.

Life Changing Experience #2

Late in his residence in Germany de Benneville underwent a second life-changing experience. Ill with a fever and "reduced almost to a skeleton," de Benneville was kept alive by being fed like a baby. He recalled that in this state he was taken to a dreamlike region where the inhabitants, "clothed in garments as white as snow," proclaimed to him the good news of "the restoration of all the human species without exception." After saying farewell to de Marsay and his other friends, de Benneville felt himself "die by degrees" and felt his spirit depart from his body. He was escorted by guardians through the regions traditionally called "heaven" and "hell." In hell his compassion was such that "I took it so to heart that I believed my happiness would be incomplete while one creature remained miserable." One of his guardians comforted him with a vision of the eventual restoration of all life. Forty-two hours after he had been declared dead, de Benneville awoke in his coffin. He returned to life with a renewed mission: to preach "the universal and everlasting gospel of boundless, universal love for the entire human race."

http://www.uua.org/uuhs/juub/articles/georgedebenneville.html

Some Who Hold This View

1. In Former Centuries

2. In Modern Times

3. In America

Universalism almost wholly disappeared during the period known as the Dark Ages, although there are occasional glimpses of it even in the mutilated records which the papal Church has permitted to descend to us.

[Note that this doctrine almost disappeared during the "Dark Ages", a time noted for the suppression of truth, wherein it derives its name.]

In the 7th century, Maximus, the Greek monk and confessor taught Universalism;

In the 8th, Clement of Ireland was deposed from the priesthood for teaching that when Christ descended into hell he restored all the damned;

In the 9th, John Scotus Erigena, a famous philosopher who stood at the head of the learned of the court of France, was a bold defender of Universalism.

In the 11th century, the Albigenses were, according to papal authorities, Universalists;

In the 12th, Raynold, abbot of St. Martin's, in France, was charged before a council with holding "that all men will eventually be saved;"

In the 13th, Solomon, bishop of Bassorah, discussed the question of universal salvation, answering it in the affirmative.

The Lollards in the 14th century taught Universalism in Bohemia and Austria; and at the same period a council convened by Langman, archbishop of Canterbury, gave judgment against Universalism as one of the heresies then taught in that province.

In the early part of the 15th century, a sect called "Men of Understanding" taught Universalism in Flanders, advocating it on the ground of the German Mystics, as did Tauler of Strasburg, and John Wessel, who, with others, have been called "the Reformers before the Reformation," whose writings Luther industriously studied and greatly admired.

http://heart4god.8k.com/id325_m.htm
 
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Thanks Rockhead...it is always good hearing from you!

The ghastly doctrine that presents the Glorious One defeated by sin; sending forth His life into irreclaimable souls to keep them alive in sin is far from the pronouncements of His Majesty! We pray for all men to be saved because the Father of such a longing has asked us to join Him in such a desire. He is our Father, and has by His glorious power made us out of Himself, capable of being one with Him in at one ment (atonement)! His desires became our desires, His will ours! He chastens, He corrects, He rectifies, He transforms by metamorphoo!
There is a remarkable book regarding the Restitution of all things, by Rev. Thomas Allin, now is in its ninth printing and can be acquired from Concordant Publishing Concern for $8.00 U.S. The entire book can also be downloaded today thanks to Albert Jenke.

Christ Triumphant by Rev. Thomas Allin

http://www.totlogcon.com/filealin.htm

Albert Jenke's Site

http://members.tripod.com/totlogcon/univprnt.htm

Table of Contents

Introduction God's Ultimate Intention


http://members.tripod.com/totlogcon/univprnt.htm#intro

Chapter One "Law and Grace", by Andrew Jukes

http://members.tripod.com/totlogcon/univprnt.htm#chap1

Chapter Two Excerpts From the Writings of William Law

http://members.tripod.com/totlogcon/univprnt.htm#chap2

Chapter Three "ALL-In-ALL", by A. E. Knoch

http://members.tripod.com/totlogcon/univprnt.htm#chap3

Chapter Four A Study In Job and Jonah

http://members.tripod.com/totlogcon/univprnt.htm#chap4

Chapter Five "Christ Triumphant", by Thomas Allin

http://members.tripod.com/totlogcon/univprnt.htm#chap5

Chapter Six TRUTH vs. "Sacred Cows"

http://members.tripod.com/totlogcon/univprnt.htm#chap6

Chapter Seven Summary and Prelude

http://members.tripod.com/totlogcon/univprnt.htm#chap7

Chapter Eight Paul's Soaring Logic

http://members.tripod.com/totlogcon/univprnt.htm#chap8

Chapter Nine To "Seek" -- Or To SAVE

http://members.tripod.com/totlogcon/univprnt.htm#chap9

Chapter Ten "Holiness Of God", by R. C. Sproul

http://members.tripod.com/totlogcon/univprnt.htm#chap10

Chapter Eleven "Calvin and Election", by Dr. C. D. Cole

http://members.tripod.com/totlogcon/univprnt.htm#chap11

Chapter Twelve Conclusion, or "Parting Is Such Sweet Sorrow"

http://members.tripod.com/totlogcon/univprnt.htm#chap12

Outline Scripture Reference and Major Premise Outline

http://members.tripod.com/totlogcon/univprnt.htm#outline

Addendum One Universalism: The Prevailing Doctrine Of The Christian Church During Its First Five Hundred
Years .......... By: J.W. HANSON, D.D


http://members.tripod.com/totlogcon/univrsl2.htm

Addendum Two Excerpt from "Christ Triumphant" --- the true meaning of the words "Aion" and "Aionios", by Thomas Allin

http://members.tripod.com/totlogcon/univprnt.htm

Addendum Three Book "Christ Triumphant", by Thomas Allin

http://members.tripod.com/totlogcon/tallin.htm
 
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Punishment is for the sake of amendment and atonement. God is bound by His love to punish sin in order to deliver His creature; He is bound by His justice to destroy sin in His creation. Love is justice--is the fulfilling of the law, for God as well as for His children. This is the reason of punishment; this is why justice requires that the wicked shall not go unpunished--that they, through the eye-opening power of pain, may come to see and do justice, may be brought to desire and make all possible amends and so become just.
-George MacDonald- (Justice)

The Father of all fathers punishes, not as an end in itself, but for the purpose of rectitude. He is not the Master tormenter, He is the Saviour of all mankind, and in particular/malista, those who place their trust in Him. We can trust our Father: His judgements are life. His wrath is bathed in His mercy and oregamai.

Sin is not simply punished, sin is destroyed. For this reason we read the following.....

"For as by one mans disobedience the whole race was rendered sinful/ made sinners

SO

by the obedience of One shall the mass of mankind be rendered righteous."

"Made sinners"= Kathistemi Hamartolos

Kathistemi hamartolos=


To constitute.

To render.

To make.

To cause to be.

Devoted to sin. A sinner.

Not free from sin. Pre-eminently sinful. Especially wicked.

"Made righteous"= Kathistemi Dikaios

Kathistemi Dikaios=


To constitute.

To render.

To make.

To cause to be.

Righteous/ Innocent/ Faultless/ Guiltless

Observing Divine laws.

One whose way of thinking, feeling and acting is wholly conformed to the will of God, and who therefore needs no further rectification of his being.

"Therefore as by the offence of one, judgement came upon all mankind to condemnation, even so, by the righteousness of One, the free gift came upon all mankind unto justification of life.

For as by the disobedience of one individual, the mass of mankind were constituted wicked/ kathistemi hamartolos.


SO ALSO

Through the obedience of One, the mass of mankind will be made righteous/ kathistemi dikaios, their ways of thinking, and feeling, and acting, wholly conformed to the will of God, and who therefore are in need of no further rectification.

[move] "So also" :bow: "so also" :bow: "so also" :bow: "so also"[/move]
 
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I wonder what James Montgomery was feeling when he penned the following hymn?

Hail to the Lord’s anointed, great David’s greater Son!
Hail in the time appointed, His reign on earth begun!
He comes to break oppression, to set the captive free;
To take away transgression and rule in equity.

He comes in succor speedy to those who suffer wrong;
To help the poor and needy, and bid the weak be strong;
To give them songs for sighing, their darkness turn to light,
Whose souls, condemned and dying, were precious in His sight.

By such shall He be fearèd while sun and moon endure;
Beloved, obeyed, reverèd; for He shall judge the poor
Through changing generations, with justice, mercy, truth,
While stars maintain their stations, or moons renew their youth.

He shall come down like showers upon the fruitful earth;
Love, joy, and hope, like flowers, spring in His path to birth.
Before Him, on the mountains, shall peace, the herald, go,
And righteousness, in fountains, from hill to valley flow.

Arabia’s desert ranger to Him shall bow the knee;
The Ethiopian stranger His glory come to see;
With offerings of devotion ships from the isles shall meet,
To pour the wealth of oceans in tribute at His feet.

Kings shall fall down before Him, and gold and incense bring;
All nations shall adore Him, His praise all people sing;
For He shall have dominion o’er river, sea and shore,
Far as the eagle’s pinion or dove’s light wing can soar.

For Him shall prayer unceasing and daily vows ascend;
His kingdom still increasing, a kingdom without end:
The mountain dews shall nourish a seed in weakness sown,
Whose fruit shall spread and flourish and shake like Lebanon.

O’er every foe victorious, He on His throne shall rest;
From age to age more glorious, all blessing and all blest.
The tide of time shall never His covenant remove;
His Name shall stand forever, His Name to us is Love.
The Saviour of the world is exactly that. He is not a potential Saviour, but the One who brings to utter completion that for which He has been destined by the Father of all fathers.

"Through the Son God created the whole universe and to the Son He has ordained all creation shall ultimately belong."

This is the hope of the groaning prisoners of despair; utter deliverance! The creation shall be delivered! Not might be delivered; or could be delivered...."the whole of created life shall be delivered" from the tyranny of slavery into the glorious doxa of the Father. He is victorious over every foe! From age to age His Person is "more glorious", for He is the Lord of the Dance! His fruit spreads and flourishes, "for all nations shall adore Him." All kings shall fall down before Him! Yes, He is the King of kings, and Lord of lords; the Alpha of the first letter of the Greek alphabet, and the Omega of the last!

Every tongue, every knee, every heart, every government, every being, all dimensions of the heavens, and the earth, and the underworld, singing in worship and antiphonal chorus!

1 Timothy 2:1-6

"I urge you as most important of all, supplications. prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men: for kings, and for all that are in authority; in order that a tranquil and quiet life may be lead godly and respectfull in every way.

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

Who will have all mankind to be saved, and come to a knowledge of the truth.

For there is one God, and one mediator/intermediary between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Who gave himself as a ransom for all mankind to be testified in due time."


"Who will have all mankind to be saved"

"Will have=" Thelo=


Thelo= A strengthened form of Haireomai (To take for oneself)

To will.

To have in mind.

To intend.

To purpose.

To be resolved and determined.

To desire/ to wish/ to love/ to be fond of doing.

To take delight/ to take pleasure in doing.

"Who will thelo all men to be saved"

Saved= Sozo=


To save.

To rescue from the danger of destruction.

To keep safe and sound.

To save a suffering one.

To make well. To heal. To restore to health.

All means some; the Saviour [Soter] of the whole [holos] world [kosmos] will not save the whole [holos] world [kosmos] in due time?

Those who think for a nano-second that thelo means only a wish, or a desire, or a longing that is unattainable must consider the fact the same word used in 1 Timothy is used by the Saviour of the holos kosmos in Matt. 27:63....

After three days I WILL [THELO] rise again.
Who would have the audacity to suggest that Jesus Christ only "wanted" or "desired" to rise again from hades? Perhaps, the Saviour of the holos kosmos had a weak wish, or even a strong wish, to rise from the dead?

"I will/thelo rise again."

The Eternal One, the Father of all fathers, never ever simply wishes or hopes for anything. He desires that which is certain to come about, for it is good and acceptable in His heart and mind.

Good= Kalos=

Beautiful/ handsome/ excellent/ eminent/ choice/ surpassing/ precious/ suitable/ commendable.

Beautiful to look at. Magnificent.

Excellent in its nature and characteristics/ adapted to its ends.

Precious.

Affecting the mind agreeably with comfort and confirmation.

The Creation In Christ -George MacDonald-

http://www.ccel.org/m/macdonald/unspoken3/unspoken3.htm
 
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