universal pattern of the evolution of intelligent beings

[granpa]

I believe that genesis gives us the universal pattern of the evolution of intelligent beings on virtually all planets:

In the beginning there was the abyss (black hole)
from the abyss God drew out light (or luminaries)
from light God drew out air (atmosphere)
from air God drew out water (sea)
from water God drew out land
from land God drew out tree shaped living molecules

from living molecules God drew out small round things (archaea)
from small round things God drew out big round things (eukaryotes)
from big round things God drew out gilled creatures
from gilled creatures God drew out sharks or Eurypterids
from sharks or Eurypterids God drew out land animals
from animals God drew out Adam

from Adam God drew out rib (צֵלָע/πλευρά) (Satariel/Sariel/Azriel)
from Azriel God drew out Eve


the beauty of it is that it even works on planets dominated by arthropods.
tannim = sharks on vertebrate dominated worlds
tannim = Eurypterids on arthropod dominated worlds

Hence also the connection between wings and gills
(insect wings evolved from gills)

 

[philadiddle]

I believe that genesis gives us the universal pattern of the evolution of intelligent beings on virtually all planets:

In the beginning there was the abyss (black hole)
from the abyss God separated light (or luminaries)
from light God separated air (atmosphere)
from air God separated water (sea)
from water God separated land
from land God separated living molecules (tree-like things)

from living molecules God separated small round things
from small round things God separated big round things
from big round things God separated gilled creatures
from gilled creature God separated sharks or Eurypterids
from sharks or Eurypterids God separated animals
from animals God separated intelligent beings


the beauty of it is that it even works on planets dominated by arthropods. Hence Eurypterids (tannim)

Hence also the connection between wings and gills
(insect wings evolved from gills)

Is this a serious post? It completely twists the creation order in Genesis. For example, in Genesis the sun is created after earth is.

 

[granpa]

are you serious?

obviously the sun wasnt created after the earth.

 

[Greg1234]

I believe that genesis gives us the universal pattern of the evolution of intelligent beings on virtually all planets:

In the beginning there was the abyss (black hole)
from the abyss God separated light (or luminaries)
from light God separated air (atmosphere)
from air God separated water (sea)
from water God separated land
from land God separated living molecules (tree-like things)

from living molecules God separated small round things
from small round things God separated big round things
from big round things God separated gilled creatures
from gilled creature God separated sharks or Eurypterids
from sharks or Eurypterids God separated animals
from animals God separated intelligent beings


the beauty of it is that it even works on planets dominated by arthropods.
tannim = sharks on vertebrate dominated worlds
tannim = Eurypterids on arthropod dominated worlds

Hence also the connection between wings and gills
(insect wings evolved from gills)

No reason to integrate Darwinism.

 

[juvenissun]

are you serious?

obviously the sun wasnt created after the earth.

granpa's brain is fossilized. Why is it "obvious"?

 

[granpa]

granpa's brain is fossilized. Why is it "obvious"?

it is obvious that the earth wasnt captured from outside the solar system because it lies in the ecliptic and at a distance predicted by the Titius–Bode law
it obviously formed with the rest of the solar system from a gaseous disk surrounding the early sun

I see that you have an old thread where you asked about this.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7534877/

 

[miamited]

Hi Granpa,

Have you ever read the Scriptures? You certainly seemed to have missed a lot of the Genesis account of the creation. Maybe it's time for your nap.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[granpa]

you went to a lot of trouble just to slap me in the face after I went to a lot of trouble to be helpful.

not a very christian thing to do IMO.

Does anybody have any actual questions or comments?

 

[PaladinValer]

Others are correct: you are trying to fit in cosmology where it doesn't fit.

The Holy Writ literally taken is that the Earth was before the sun. That's a fact: the Holy Bible when taken literally in this sense is wrong. Thankfully, it can be as wrong as it wants to be in matters outside salvation, faith, doctrine, and morals.

 

[miamited]

hi granpa,

According to the Genesis account, which I am in complete agreement with, the earth was the first created physical body in the blackness of what we today call space. Now, space is not the same as universe. Universe is the complete picture that we see today of 'space' filled with planets, stars and other celestial bodies. In he beginning there existed nothing but black empty space. A limitless, lightless, black empty void.

In this limitless, lightless, black empty void God created the earth as the very first physical piece of this entire realm of creation in which we live. When God first created the earth it was covered in water and God's Spirit hovered over the water and began the work of creating the earth by separatng the water into an atmosphere in which we have clouds made of vaporized water and water on the earth.

Then God drew the water that remained on the earth to one place so that the dry ground under the water appeared as, probably a single land mass. Then he had vegetation to appear as fully grown plants that would then reproduce just as animals and mankind would as they came along. Each reproducing its own kind. But for this day of creation we are only concerned with the plants. Then God created the stars in the universe and the sun and the moon.

That is the way the Genesis account explains the creation. Now, because I believe in a God who can do the impossible as easily as I can snap my fingers, I don't have a problem with any of this. I don't have any problem understanding and believing that God's first step in creating this entire realm in which we, creatures of flesh, live was to fashion the physical body we call the earth and then built the universe around the earth. After all, as I have come to understand the Scriptures, mankind was the sole purpose for God's even beginning the work of creating this realm and so I don't have any problem understanding that the very first piece of the creation in which we live that God made was the planet upon which we would live. All the rest of the universe was merely set in place so that the earth would endure forever and ever and we would have signs to mark seasons and years. The Genesis account tells us that the earth was already well formed and had even been populated with plants and vegetaion before the sun, moon and other stars were created.

As I say, I don't have a problem with any of that because God says He is the God of the impossible so when others come to me and say, 'well, that's just impossible because....' I just smile and say, 'Yea, I know. Isn't it awesome what God can do?' Anyway, after the sun, moon and stars were created, God began to create all the oxygen breathing, animated living things. First he made the seas teem with hundreds upon hundreds of differnt fish and water living creatures. Then He made all of the land animals and finally, after all was ready, He made man.

And it all happened in the span of approximately 140 hours. Six days. That, my friend, is the Genesis account of the creation. Go ahead, open the book and read it for yourself.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[miamited]

Hi granpa,

You responded: you went to a lot of trouble just to slap me in the face after I went to a lot of trouble to be helpful.

I'm sorry, but I must say that your op, just as the first responder asked, caused my mouth to drop open with a 'is this guy serious' kind of dumbfoundedness. I'm sorry if I offended you. I am however, a bit flumoxed by your claim that you 'went to a lot of trouble' to be helpful. Just how much trouble did you go to? Is this something that you just began to study yesterday and you were up all night figuring it out. Honestly that might well explain the obvious lack of knowledge of the Scriptures that both I and the first responder seemed to see immediately upon reading your op.

God bless you and it is not my intention to be rude, but I figured your post was a joke also. Sorry I didn't live up to your expectations of how a christian should act, but I have to say that if your understanding of what it means to be a christian is anything like your understanding of the Genesis account of the creation, well, maybe you don't know how a christian should act. I'm just sayin'.

In Christ, Ted

 

[granpa]

Others are correct: you are trying to fit in cosmology where it doesn't fit.

The Holy Writ literally taken is that the Earth was before the sun. That's a fact: the Holy Bible when taken literally in this sense is wrong. Thankfully, it can be as wrong as it wants to be in matters outside salvation, faith, doctrine, and morals.

So you are willing to accept that its totally inaccurate but not accept the possibility that it has a few small translation errors (which are easily explained by the simple fact that the hebrew editors didnt know about micro-organisms) and is otherwise remarkably accurate???

I really cant see your logic here at all.

 

[granpa]

Hi granpa,

You responded: you went to a lot of trouble just to slap me in the face after I went to a lot of trouble to be helpful.

I'm sorry, but I must say that your op, just as the first responder asked, caused my mouth to drop open with a 'is this guy serious' kind of dumbfoundedness. I'm sorry if I offended you. I am however, a bit flumoxed by your claim that you 'went to a lot of trouble' to be helpful. Just how much trouble did you go to? Is this something that you just began to study yesterday and you were up all night figuring it out. Honestly that might well explain the obvious lack of knowledge of the Scriptures that both I and the first responder seemed to see immediately upon reading your op.

God bless you and it is not my intention to be rude, but I figured your post was a joke also. Sorry I didn't live up to your expectations of how a christian should act, but I have to say that if your understanding of what it means to be a christian is anything like your understanding of the Genesis account of the creation, well, maybe you don't know how a christian should act. I'm just sayin'.

In Christ, Ted

So basically because I disagree with you I must be ignorant?

thats pretty much the textbook definition of closed-mindedness.

 

[granpa]

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[granpa]

over the last few years I have created the following wiki articles:
Outline of the Bible - Religion-wiki
Genealogies of the Bible - Religion-wiki
http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/Gospel_harmony_(based_on_Matthew)
Documentary hypothesis/Genesis - Religion-wiki
Outline of the Bible/Job - Religion-wiki

so yes I would call that quite a lot of trouble.

 

[miamited]

hi granpa,

Well, I gave a quick look at your geneologies page and I must say that I would probably find it remarkably accurate from a 'theists' point of view.

God bless you.
In Christ, ted.

 

[miamited]

Max Lucado writes of seeing Muhammed Ali in an airport one time. He noticed that he was talking to people very seriously and with real concern for them that they know and understand Islam and the muslim faith. Max makes the observation that he found it disheartening that a man would give so much of his time and effort in his last years, as Mr. Ali was already showing many of the signs of the disease that is overtaking his mind and body, to put forth and teach a lie.

God bless.
In Christ, Ted

 

[juvenissun]

it is obvious that the earth wasnt captured from outside the solar system because it lies in the ecliptic and at a distance predicted by the Titius–Bode law
it obviously formed with the rest of the solar system from a gaseous disk surrounding the early sun

I see that you have an old thread where you asked about this.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7534877/

Exactly. So far, nobody can tell me why should the sun exist before the earth. So your "obvious" idea is not necessary true.

 

[PaladinValer]

So you are willing to accept that its totally inaccurate but not accept the possibility that it has a few small translation errors (which are easily explained by the simple fact that the hebrew editors didnt know about micro-organisms) and is otherwise remarkably accurate???

Listen carefully: there are no translation errors: the Bible is absolutely wrong when literally read about cosmology.

W-R-O-N-G

If you're faith is this fragile, then I highly suggest talking with your priest or pastor and if that doesn't work to find a new place of worship where they feed your soul and not feed an ideology.

The Holy Writ has for centuries been used in ways that it was not meant to be. It is a work of faith, doctrine, morals, and salvation: a theological and spiritual handbook: God's Holy Revelation of His words written down. It isn't a textbook on anything else. It has been used to promote psuedoscience, psuedohistory, racism, sexism, the rape of our world, animal abuse, etc.

The Bible is dead wrong about real cosmology. So what? It is wrong about a lot of things, but on all the things it was meant to be an authority on, it is inerrant and infallible.

I really cant see your logic here at all.

Here it is then in short: your eisegesis is terrible and is illogical.

 

[granpa]

you seem to have an anti-bible agenda here.
I will cease trying to reason with you.