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Universal Background Checks: If you are opposed, why?
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<blockquote data-quote="A2SG" data-source="post: 62863018" data-attributes="member: 227164"><p>Dude, the government IS the people. Didn't you ever read the Constitution?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Who said it was arbitrary?</p><p></p><p>See, here's the difference, if you missed it: there is NO proper usage of a car that includes hitting a person with it. That is not the case with a gun, as hitting your intended target (which may or may not be a person) IS the proper usage.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yup. And I have no problem with any gun that has no one touching the trigger. Problem is, people buy them and do that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Whether or not I, personally, can tell the difference doesn't matter. I'm not writing the legislation.</p><p></p><p>And my personal knowledge about guns doesn't change the point, which is that it isn't an "essential liberty" to have unfettered and absolute access to any and all forms of weaponry. Your liberty and right to bear arms is intact even if certain types of weapons are banned or limited. Same logic for why you can't have a nuclear weapon.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't, and further, I don't care.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah. And....?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not really. The only difference would be time. A knife killer needs more time to kill the same number of victims as someone with an automatic weapon.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I did no such thing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then take it up with your elected representatives. That's why you voted for them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay. And what about the guns in the hands of Americans who are murdering Americans with them?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Far as I can tell, all polls yield similar results, so it seems the idea is put forth pretty clearly in all cases.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Care to offer specifics on that?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And I would argue that arming first grade teachers is insane.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Neither will a lot of bystanders.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, if you're suggesting arming first grade teachers, I think you've watched too many Die Hard movies.</p><p></p><p>There have to be better ideas than that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Uh, yeah, I know. My point is...he isn't.</p><p></p><p>He's the Mayor of Chicago.</p><p></p><p>As such, his opinion matters about as much as Tom Menino's does.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What, you never heard of sarcasm?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Still got nothin' on the emotional blackmail used by anti-abortion advocates.</p><p></p><p>So, basically, it's a zero sum game.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Let's not forget, the Bush Administration tried something similar too. So while I don't disagree that it was a bad idea, the Obama administration doesn't have a monopoly on bad ideas.</p><p></p><p>-- A2SG, and further, since it illustrates how bad an idea it is to have more guns out there, it doesn't exactly help your case....</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="A2SG, post: 62863018, member: 227164"] Dude, the government IS the people. Didn't you ever read the Constitution? Who said it was arbitrary? See, here's the difference, if you missed it: there is NO proper usage of a car that includes hitting a person with it. That is not the case with a gun, as hitting your intended target (which may or may not be a person) IS the proper usage. Yup. And I have no problem with any gun that has no one touching the trigger. Problem is, people buy them and do that. Whether or not I, personally, can tell the difference doesn't matter. I'm not writing the legislation. And my personal knowledge about guns doesn't change the point, which is that it isn't an "essential liberty" to have unfettered and absolute access to any and all forms of weaponry. Your liberty and right to bear arms is intact even if certain types of weapons are banned or limited. Same logic for why you can't have a nuclear weapon. I don't, and further, I don't care. Yeah. And....? Not really. The only difference would be time. A knife killer needs more time to kill the same number of victims as someone with an automatic weapon. I did no such thing. Then take it up with your elected representatives. That's why you voted for them. Okay. And what about the guns in the hands of Americans who are murdering Americans with them? Far as I can tell, all polls yield similar results, so it seems the idea is put forth pretty clearly in all cases. Care to offer specifics on that? And I would argue that arming first grade teachers is insane. Neither will a lot of bystanders. Again, if you're suggesting arming first grade teachers, I think you've watched too many Die Hard movies. There have to be better ideas than that. Uh, yeah, I know. My point is...he isn't. He's the Mayor of Chicago. As such, his opinion matters about as much as Tom Menino's does. What, you never heard of sarcasm? Still got nothin' on the emotional blackmail used by anti-abortion advocates. So, basically, it's a zero sum game. Let's not forget, the Bush Administration tried something similar too. So while I don't disagree that it was a bad idea, the Obama administration doesn't have a monopoly on bad ideas. -- A2SG, and further, since it illustrates how bad an idea it is to have more guns out there, it doesn't exactly help your case.... [/QUOTE]
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