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Universal Background Checks: If you are opposed, why?
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<blockquote data-quote="A2SG" data-source="post: 62849505" data-attributes="member: 227164"><p>Gee, I hope someone thought of that when they drafted the bill!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So don't. By all means, contact your representatives and let them know!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Bad argument when the victims were elementary school kids.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Once again, the deaths at Sandy Hook were not accidental.</p><p></p><p>You're comparing accidental misuse with intentional use. Please note what I said:</p><p></p><p>"Guns kill when used properly. Cars don't."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Your point being....what? Ban fertilizer, diesel fuel and panel trucks?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Legislatures pass unconstitutional laws sometimes. It happens.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No idea.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh goodie. I'm sure the families of those kids at Sandy Hook will be consoled by that.</p><p></p><p>[QUOTE<a href="http://www.chattanoogan.com/2012/12/22/240929/Connecticut-Already-Has-A-Ban-On.aspx" target="_blank">Prior to the shooting</a> Connecticut already had an assault weapons ban.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>And it proved ineffectual. Which is why a federal ban is a better idea than state ones.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Five got far enough.</p><p></p><p>If Lanza needed more time to reload, who knows how many others could have made it? Who knows how those delays would have helped law enforcement get to him faster?</p><p></p><p>The only thing that allowing large capacity magazines helped was the killer. It didn't help those kids.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then think of it this way: if he had a pistol, not an automatic weapon, he would have needed more time to shoot, and more time to reload. That extra time would have saved how many kids, do you think?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh good.</p><p></p><p>Tell me, for what possible reason would a responsible gun owner need that many bullets fired in that short a time?</p><p></p><p>And please, don't tell me just cuz he wants to. Give me a legitimate reason.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Laws don't prevent every possible crime, and yet, we still pass them. Under your logic, why pass any laws at all?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's what happened before. Until Dec. 14th.</p><p></p><p>The time to do nothing is over.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They're not.</p><p></p><p>If that's their goal, they compromised.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No one ever said it did.</p><p></p><p>Similarly, billions of people didn't steal things from other people, and yet, theft is still a crime. So we pass laws for some reason.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Considering what happened in Newtown, I don't think so.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Preventing one means it worked.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, if your point is that we should punish murderers, I agree.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Let me see if I follow you here: people will find a way to circumvent the law so.....</p><p></p><p>What?</p><p></p><p>No laws at all?</p><p></p><p>Is that what you're saying here?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, but we can, and do, outlaw certain applications of legal machinery. For example, try to use a color printer and copy a $20 dollar bill sometime and see what happens.</p><p></p><p>As I said before, no law can guarantee no one will ever break it. That doesn't mean we stop passing laws.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you're suggesting we regulate gun manufacturers and limit what kinds of weapons they are legally allowed to manufacture for private use, I'm all for that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That'd be quite fine with the family members of those 400 people, I'd imagine.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It'd be a start.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Your point being...?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As soon as we figure out a way to know beforehand who will use them properly and who will use them improperly, we will.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I disagree. I think the wanton murder of twenty children in an elementary school should be a wake up call. Fortunately, others agree with that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sorry, but I can't buy that the solution to gun violence is more guns.</p><p></p><p>-- A2SG, we're a society, we have to be able to do better than that.....</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="A2SG, post: 62849505, member: 227164"] Gee, I hope someone thought of that when they drafted the bill! So don't. By all means, contact your representatives and let them know! Bad argument when the victims were elementary school kids. Once again, the deaths at Sandy Hook were not accidental. You're comparing accidental misuse with intentional use. Please note what I said: "Guns kill when used properly. Cars don't." Your point being....what? Ban fertilizer, diesel fuel and panel trucks? Legislatures pass unconstitutional laws sometimes. It happens. No idea. Oh goodie. I'm sure the families of those kids at Sandy Hook will be consoled by that. [QUOTE[url=http://www.chattanoogan.com/2012/12/22/240929/Connecticut-Already-Has-A-Ban-On.aspx]Prior to the shooting[/url] Connecticut already had an assault weapons ban.[/QUOTE] And it proved ineffectual. Which is why a federal ban is a better idea than state ones. Five got far enough. If Lanza needed more time to reload, who knows how many others could have made it? Who knows how those delays would have helped law enforcement get to him faster? The only thing that allowing large capacity magazines helped was the killer. It didn't help those kids. Then think of it this way: if he had a pistol, not an automatic weapon, he would have needed more time to shoot, and more time to reload. That extra time would have saved how many kids, do you think? Oh good. Tell me, for what possible reason would a responsible gun owner need that many bullets fired in that short a time? And please, don't tell me just cuz he wants to. Give me a legitimate reason. Laws don't prevent every possible crime, and yet, we still pass them. Under your logic, why pass any laws at all? That's what happened before. Until Dec. 14th. The time to do nothing is over. They're not. If that's their goal, they compromised. No one ever said it did. Similarly, billions of people didn't steal things from other people, and yet, theft is still a crime. So we pass laws for some reason. Considering what happened in Newtown, I don't think so. Preventing one means it worked. Again, if your point is that we should punish murderers, I agree. Let me see if I follow you here: people will find a way to circumvent the law so..... What? No laws at all? Is that what you're saying here? No, but we can, and do, outlaw certain applications of legal machinery. For example, try to use a color printer and copy a $20 dollar bill sometime and see what happens. As I said before, no law can guarantee no one will ever break it. That doesn't mean we stop passing laws. If you're suggesting we regulate gun manufacturers and limit what kinds of weapons they are legally allowed to manufacture for private use, I'm all for that. That'd be quite fine with the family members of those 400 people, I'd imagine. It'd be a start. Your point being...? As soon as we figure out a way to know beforehand who will use them properly and who will use them improperly, we will. I disagree. I think the wanton murder of twenty children in an elementary school should be a wake up call. Fortunately, others agree with that. Sorry, but I can't buy that the solution to gun violence is more guns. -- A2SG, we're a society, we have to be able to do better than that..... [/QUOTE]
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