UNITY OF GOD's PEOPLE

[Danoh]

Great find, Dispy! Put my meager post to shame, lol

 

[Bro in Christ]

when the church is built upon apostles and prophets in eph 2:20 ... who do you call as an fellow apostles writings?

 

[Danoh]

Bro in Christ, you're quoting the passage wrong, and that often points to having read INTO the passage, or, having assumed its proper sense - Paul's focus is "on THE FOUNDATION of the apostles," NOT "on the foundation of THE APOSTLES." Also, perhaps you are unaware of those BODY Apostles AFTER Paul, like Apollos, Titus, Silvanus, etc.

The Mid-Acts Perspective calls for not taking ANY word for granted, and every prior assumption being re-studied from scratch, as "the revelation of the Mystery" not only changed Israel's Apostle's understanding of Israel's Prophesied Program, but also changes our understanding of those resulting, present traditions, the result of the Body's having ignored Paul's admonition in Romans 11:25, 26.

 

[Bro in Christ]

eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

how many times does it have to point to many different people building on the foundation

 

[Bro in Christ]

1 cor 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Peter ; and I of Christ.13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

1 cor 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? 5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

 

[Dispy]

Bro in Christ:
All the OT prophets spoke of a coming messiah, and the kingdom He would establish upon the earth. Everything from Gen. 12 through Acts 8 speaks concerning all the blessings and promises made to the nation of Israel.

The mininstry of Jesus upon spoke of that promised earthly kingdom, and told Peter that upon this rock (Jesus) would His earthly church be built. All the blessing, promises made to the nation of Israel will be earthly.

Jesus, from His heavenly position, revealed a secret kept secret since the world began (cf. Rom. 16:25). This church is the universal church that is made up of believing Jews and Gentiles, on equal footing, without distinction, and not under the Law. This Church is known as "the Body of Christ", and has an eternal heavenly home to look forward to.

Where do you plan to spend eternity.

If you are looking to be in the earthly kingdom, then follow the instructions of Matt. 5, 6, & 7). Good luck.

If you are looking to a heavenly kingdom, the follow the instructions Jesus gave to Paul from Acts 9, through Phileamon.

 

[Danoh]

1 cor 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Peter ; and I of Christ.13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

1 cor 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? 5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

One, you are misunderstanding the divisiveness Paul WAS adressing in those passages. Two, throughout Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, Jesus is depicted pointing those under the Law to, "what did Moses say, what did Moses write, what did Moses command?" Surely Jesus was not being carnal!!!

Fact is, He was pointing ISRAEL BACK TO the Law given THROUGH Moses BY GOD!

In a similar fashion we of Mid-Acts are NOT uplifting Paul, rather MAGNIFYING his GOD-GIVEN - OFFICE - as THE Apostle, preacher, and teacher of GOD'S MYSTERY GRACE to and among the Gentiles, Col. 1, Titus 1.

Fact is you are taking what are obviously your surface level impressions of what the various passages might be referring to as wisdom. But they are no more than your first impression interpretations.

What's next, "the Greek" with its "well, it can be interpreted this way, and this one fits my notions" over the context that the Mystery is!

The Mystery is its own context. Get this out of the way and you'll get yourself out of the way of seeing "what is THE FELLOWSHIP of THE MYSTERY which hath been HIDDEN FROM AGES AND GENERATIONS" UNTIL Paul, Col. 1; Eph. 3.

 

[Danoh]

Though they differ [Acts 16:6,7; Rom. 15:20, 21; Gal. 2:7-9; 1 Peter 1:1;] the foundation of both ISRAEL'S PROPHESIED Program [Acts 3:21] and THE BODY'S MYSTERY Program [Col. 1:26] - the foindation of BOTH these TWO Programs within the household of God is THE SAME - Jesus Christ [Matt. 16:16,18 / 1 Cor. 3:10,11].

Because this all has to do with a TWO-FOLD Purpose on God's part; one fold of which is EVEN NOW on hold until sometime AFTER the fullness of His PRESENT Mystery Program reaches the fullness of its intent per Romans 11:25, 26; Eph. 3:10, its important that...

Whenever we are attempting to get at the correct sense of a word or words given the reality of a distinction in their neanings between both programs, that we ask...

"Lexicon's, Concordances, etc., or what have you - what is the OVERRAL CONTEXT here - is it ISRAEL'S PROPHESIED Program, or THE BODY'S MYSTERY Program?"

Per Matthew 12:30-33, Israel fell from its favored position before God at Acts 7:51-53. See also Rom. 2:28, 29; 9:30-33.

Said fall is TEMPORARY - until sometime AFTER the fulness of God's MYSTERY PROGRAM among the Gentiles, be come in, Rom. 11:25-28; Gal. 2:2.

The context of Paul's words in Romans thru Philemon is THE BODY'S MYSTERY Program, which envisions ISRAEL'S PROPHESIED commonwealth ON HOLD until sometime AFTER the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

 

[Bro in Christ]

Bro in Christ, you're quoting the passage wrong, and that often points to having read INTO the passage, or, having assumed its proper sense - Paul's focus is "on THE FOUNDATION of the apostles," NOT "on the foundation of THE APOSTLES." Also, perhaps you are unaware of those BODY Apostles AFTER Paul, like Apollos, Titus, Silvanus, etc.

Paul's focus is "on THE FOUNDATION of the apostles," NOT "on the foundation of THE APOSTLES." ..... WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? or what does this mean?

does yelling on the computer make it means differently...

The Mid-Acts Perspective calls for not taking ANY word for granted, and every prior assumption being re-studied from scratch, as "the revelation of the Mystery" not only changed Israel's Apostle's understanding of Israel's Prophesied Program, but also changes our understanding of those resulting, present traditions, the result of the Body's having ignored Paul's admonition in Romans 11:25, 26.

Body's having ignored Paul's admonition in Romans 11:25, 26.... ignoring ? first time telling them about this! this is not the Corinthians

 

[Bro in Christ]

Bro in Christ:
All the OT prophets spoke of a coming messiah, and the kingdom He would establish upon the earth. Everything from Gen. 12 through Acts 8 speaks concerning all the blessings and promises made to the nation of Israel.

what promises where given from John 13 to acts 8 where given to the Jews? luv to see to state some scripture of this.

The mininstry of Jesus upon spoke of that promised earthly kingdom, and told Peter that upon this rock (Jesus) would His earthly church be built. All the blessing, promises made to the nation of Israel will be earthly.

this is against God's omniscience and the unity of the body of Christ [1 cor 12:12-13, Gal 3:28 neither Jew or Gentile ! part of the body of Christ ]

1 cor 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; G2786 and I of Christ
1 cor 3:22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, G2786 or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;
1 cor 9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?

Jesus, from His heavenly position, revealed a secret kept secret since the world began (cf. Rom. 16:25). This church is the universal church that is made up of believing Jews and Gentiles, on equal footing, without distinction, and not under the Law. This Church is known as "the Body of Christ", and has an eternal heavenly home to look forward to.

Where do you plan to spend eternity.

If you are looking to be in the earthly kingdom, then follow the instructions of Matt. 5, 6, & 7). Good luck.

the Law of the 1000 yr reign of Christ is being described her as well as matt 13 where the police force [angels] are working .... but during this time pretending that one can get saved by law Jew standards will only get you sent to Hell. as the warning all thru the NT on false teachers and false apostles

If you are looking to a heavenly kingdom, the follow the instructions Jesus gave to Paul from Acts 9, through Phileamon.

Since matt 23:36 -40 is about law... man centered

who is John 13:34-35... God centered ... being told too?

 

[Danoh]

Paul's focus is "on THE FOUNDATION of the apostles," NOT "on the foundation of THE APOSTLES." ..... WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? or what does this mean?
does yelling on the computer make it means differently...

Body's having ignored Paul's admonition in Romans 11:25, 26.... ignoring ? first time telling them about this! this is not the Corinthians

Apologies for the caps, I use them to highlight a point when I post using my phone.

Also, I am referring to the Body's having ignored Rom. 11:25, 26 through history. ANY Dispensationalist knows that much - its why its oponents conclude Dispensationalism "a recent innovation."

 

[Bro in Christ]

Apologies for the caps, I use them to highlight a point when I post using my phone.

Also, I am referring to the Body's having ignored Rom. 11:25, 26 through history. ANY Dispensationalist knows that much - its why its oponents conclude Dispensationalism "a recent innovation."

body's what does this refer too?

 

[Danoh]

body's what does this refer too?

Opponents of Dispensationalism: their perspective that of history written by men, over that of Scripture, ask from that perspective "where is this so called dispensationalism in church history?"

Paul, in his last letter related how that "all they which are in Asia be turned away from me," 2 Tim. 1:15.

When you look at "the history" after Paul, what you find is that, up until just a few centuries ago, just as was happening in Paul's day, that he'd had to address this issue, the Body of Christ basically ignored Rom. 11:25-29.

Thus the "ignorant" question "where is dispensationalism in church history?"

 

[Bro in Christ]

Who cares .... its in the bible ... read it believe it