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unforgivable sin

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okay this has been bothering me for some time now and I figure that CF is the best place to talk about it. For the past month or so I have been hearing little bits and peices about an unforgivable sin. Correct me if i am wrong but people are saying that blasphomy (sorry if spelt wrong) is the one and only unforgivable sin. Correct me if I am wrong again, but blasphomy is talking badly or against God.

Well let me tell you....i sure have done a lot of blasphomy in my short little 18 years of living. Of coarse this is when I was Wiccan and thought that God was evil, but i did it none the less. Of coarse I am sorry for it now and regret every wrong thing I have said, but if it is the "unforgivable" sin, than does that mean i am going to hell no matter what, even if i am getting babtised this coming easter? :help: :confused:
 

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Umm this is a sticky issue LOL sorry couldn't help that one. I believe and someone will corect me if I am wrong since you have not yet been baptized and at the time did those things in complete ignorance of the law as well, That know that you know it and believe it applies to you. You first have to accept Him in order to reject Him through Blasphemy. Can you understand that now?
 
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Do not worry any one that seeks the Lord has not commited the unforgivable sin.

The unforgivable sin of Blasphomy of the Holy spirit is unforgivable becuase it is the act of rejecting the forgiveness of our God.

Speaking bad of our Lord or taking is name in vain are mortal sins but they can be forgiven if one seeks to be forgiven. But when one rejects the Holy Spirit and the Mercy of the Lord with out ever repenting of their ways they shall remain unforgiven
 
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thisistheonlynamenottaken said:
so if you are able to repent and seek Him after rejecting Him, than why is it an unforgivable sin?

The unforgivable sin is unto death when you reject God’s mercy. You basically say to God, I do not want your forgiveness or need it and I would sin again if I were given the chance. It is unforgivable because you can not forgive someone who does not want it. That is why it is called blasphemy, because the Holy Spirit convicts you of your sins and when you no longer see this forgiveness as necessary or important to your life and you die in this state it is unforgivable, not because God won’t forgive but because you reject his forgiveness.
 
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WE have had this discussion several times lately here on OBOB . .

First .. if you are at all concerned that you have committed it . . you haven't . . :) Your concern is proof that you have not committed it . .

While in one sense I agree with Aaron-aggie that if you die unrepentent, you are not forgiven your sins, that goes without saying . .

But there is a particular sin that is unforgivable and that it is related to the context in which Jesus said the Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit would not be forgiven in this age, or in the age to come . . the Pharisees had just accused Jesus of casting out demons by the power of Satan . . and they did it with malice . .

The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is tied to this . . the act of attributing the work of the Holy Spirit to that of demonic power is the beginning of this, but not itself the sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit . .if one were to commit this sin, they could only do it fully knowing what they were doing and what its consequences were . . and do it on purpose . .

So yes, final unrepentence means no forgiveness of sins . . but that is not what Jesus was speaking of in the context of the passage where it is found . .

Througout the history of the Church this sin has been understood in various ways . .here is an entry from the Catholic Encyclopedia

VIII. SINS AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST



The sin or blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is mentioned in Matthew 12:22-32; Mark 3:22-30; Luke 12:10 (cf. 11:14-23); and Christ everywhere declares that it shall not be pardoned. In what does it consist? If we examine all the passages alluded to, there can be little doubt as to the reply.

Let us take, for instance, the account given by St. Matthew which is more complete than that of the other Synoptics. There had been brought to Christ "one possessed with a devil, blind and dumb: and he healed him, so that he spoke and saw". While the crowd is wondering, and asking: "Is not this the Son of David?", the Pharisees, yielding to their wonted jealousy, and shutting their eyes to the light of evidence, say: "This man casteth not out devils but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils." Jesus then proves to them this absurdity, and, consequently, the malice of their explanation; He shows them that it is by "the Spirit of God" that He casts out devils, and then He concludes: "therefore I say to you: Ever sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but the blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not he forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come."

So, to sin against the Holy Ghost is to confound Him with the spirit of evil, it is to deny, from pure malice, the Divine character of works manifestly Divine. This is the sense in which St. Mark also defines the sin question; for, after reciting the words of the Master: "But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost shall never have forgiveness", he adds at once: "Because they said: He hath an unclean spirit." With this sin of pure downright malice, Jesus contrasts the sin "against the Son of man", that is the sin committed against Himself as man, the wrong done to His humanity in judging Him by His humble and lowly appearance. This fault, unlike the former, might he excused as the result of man's ignorance and misunderstanding.

But the Fathers of the Church, commenting on the Gospel texts we are treating of, did not confine themselves to the meaning given above. Whether it be that they wished to group together all objectively analogous cases, or whether they hesitated and wavered when confronted with this point of doctrine, which St. Augustine declares (Serm. ii de verbis Domini, c. v) one of the most difficult in Scripture, they have proposed different interpretations or explanations.

St. Thomas, whom we may safely follow, gives a very good summary of opinions in II-II, Q. xiv. He says that blasphemy against the Holy Ghost was and may be explained in three ways.
  • Sometimes, and in its most literal signification, it has been taken to mean the uttering of an insult against the Divine Spirit, applying the appellation either to the Holy Ghost or to all three Divine persons. This was the sin of the Pharisees, who spoke at first against "the Son of Man", criticizing the works and human ways of Jesus, accusing Him of loving good cheer and wine, of associating with the publicans, and who, later on, with undoubted bad faith, traduced His Divine works, the miracles which He wrought by virtue of His own Divinity.
  • On the other hand, St. Augustine frequently explains blasphemy against the Holy Ghost to be final impenitence, perseverance till death in mortal sin. This impenitence is against the Holy Ghost, in the sense that it frustrates and is absolutely opposed to the remission of sins, and this remission is appropriated to the Holy Ghost, the mutual love of the Father and the Son. In this view, Jesus, in Matthew 12 and Mark 3 did not really accuse the Pharisees of blaspheming the Holy Ghost, He only warned them against the danger they were in of doing so.
  • Finally, several Fathers, and after them, many scholastic theologians, apply the expression to all sins directly opposed to that quality which is, by appropriation, the characteristic quality of the Third Divine Person. Charity and goodness are especially attributed to the Holy Ghost, as power is to the Father and wisdom to the Son. Just, then, as they termed sins against the Father those that resulted from frailty, and sins against the Son those that sprang from ignorance, so the sins against the Holy Ghost are those that are committed from downright malice, either by despising or rejecting the inspirations and impulses which, having been stirred in man's soul by the Holy Ghost, would turn him away or deliver him from evil.
It is easy to see how this wide explanation suits all the circumstances of the case where Christ addresses the words to the Pharisees. These sins are commonly reckoned six: despair, presumption, impenitence or a fixed determination not to repent, obstinacy, resisting the known truth, and envy of another's spiritual welfare. The sins against the Holy Ghost are said to be unpardonable, but the meaning of this assertion will vary very much according to which of the three explanations given above is accepted. As to final impenitence it is absolute; and this is easily understood, for even God cannot pardon where there is no repentance, and the moment of death is the fatal instant after which no mortal sin is remitted. It was because St. Augustine considered Christ's words to imply absolute unpardonableness that he held the sin against the Holy Ghost to be solely final impenitence. In the other two explanations, according to St. Thomas, the sin against the Holy Ghost is remissable -- not absolutely and always, but inasmuch as (considered in itself) it has not the claims and extenuating circumstance, inclining towards a pardon, that might be alleged in the case of sins of weakness and ignorance. He who, from pure and deliberate malice, refuses to recognize the manifest work of God, or rejects the necessary means of salvation, acts exactly like a sick man who not only refuses all medicine and all food, but who does all in his power to increase his illness, and whose malady becomes incurable, due to his own action. It is true, that in either case, God could, by a miracle, overcome the evil; He could, by His omnipotent intervention, either nuillify the natural causes of bodily death, or radically change the will of the stubborn sinner; but such intervention is not in accordance with His ordinary providence; and if he allows the secondary causes to act, if He offers the free human will of ordinary but sufficient grace, who shall seek cause of complaint? In a word, the irremissableness of the sins against the Holy Ghost is exclusively on the part of the sinner, on account of the sinner's act.
A key element to keep in mind is that there has to be pure and deliberate malice . . .

I hope this helps!


Peace in Him!
 
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On the other hand, St. Augustine frequently explains blasphemy against the Holy Ghost to be final impenitence, perseverance till death in mortal sin. This impenitence is against the Holy Ghost, in the sense that it frustrates and is absolutely opposed to the remission of sins, and this remission is appropriated to the Holy Ghost, the mutual love of the Father and the Son. In this view, Jesus, in Matthew 12 and Mark 3 did not really accuse the Pharisees of blaspheming the Holy Ghost, He only warned them against the danger they were in of doing so.
This describes what I was trying to describe
 
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Little Flower,

Maybe you should save your comments on The Unforgivable sin, so that you do not have to retype it every time a question is asked about it. It does seem like a very popular question.
 
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